2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread <closed>

[McKnowledge]

False, if you are in playoff hunt you are a contender. As a fan of a team that barely slipped in and won it their last SB time you’d think you’d know this.

How condescending. You’re shaming tactics and gaslighting is appalling. With that logic, any team currently not eliminated from a playoff spot is a contender? Please stop.

 

[gopkrs]

Personally, I agree with Tyni. You are a contender until you're not. Or maybe we should only call contenders those with Vegas odds of better than 15 to one at this point in time. You know all the contenders? And you know who is not a contender? You are just playing odds imho.

 

[tynimiller]

How condescending. You’re shaming tactics and gaslighting is appalling. With that logic, any team currently not eliminated from a playoff spot is a contender? Please stop.

Sorry you don’t agree with me, it’s fine if you do or don’t. We just don’t happen to agree here. Wasn’t certain what you meant by it and clearly we do not agree.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Well I think I have PTSD. Woke up with the vision of parsons knee popping like a broken rubber and.
What a horrible game for injuries.

The doctors better get a horse cadaver ligament to replace his acl. That guy needs double or triple strength support to structurally hold his power and speed.

Ugh. Im Going back to sleep.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No Thanks.....Z Dog.....you burned a bridge AND you should stay retired, go troll another team!

Ex-Pro Bowler Teases Potential Packers Return After Micah Parsons Injury

A former Pro Bowl pass rusher teased his potential return for the Green Bay Packers in the aftermath of Micah Parson's major knee injury.

heavy.com

 

[milani]

No Thanks.....Z Dog.....you burned a bridge AND you should stay retired, go troll another team!

Ex-Pro Bowler Teases Potential Packers Return After Micah Parsons Injury

A former Pro Bowl pass rusher teased his potential return for the Green Bay Packers in the aftermath of Micah Parson's major knee injury.

heavy.com

Well. Grandpa Phil Rivers played last Sunday and actually threw a TD. His team was unable to come through for him. Anything is possible. But knowing Z he will get hurt after about 10 snaps.

 

[Pkrjones]

No Thanks.....Z Dog.....you burned a bridge AND you should stay retired, go troll another team!

Ex-Pro Bowler Teases Potential Packers Return After Micah Parsons Injury

A former Pro Bowl pass rusher teased his potential return for the Green Bay Packers in the aftermath of Micah Parson's major knee injury.

heavy.com

Don't want old, broken down, quitters. Roll with Gary, LVN, Enagbare, Sorrell, & Cox... we're good.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Don't want old, broken down, quitters. Roll with Gary, LVN, Enagbare, Sorrell, & Cox... we're good.

Yeah, the last thing a potential playoff team needs at this time of year is cancer being brought into the locker room. I used to like Z Dog, but he really was his own worst enemy, off the field.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not sure this post has a good place, so I will put it here. As a fan of the Packers, I do enjoy watching them play. However, the viewing experience of ALL NFL games has really degraded over the years, all in the name of making MORE money through advertising. While it is noticeable when watching on TV, it is REALLY noticeable when you are sitting/standing in the stands, wondering when the TV timeout will be over and when the next one will make everything grind to a halt again.

I watch a lot of NCAA Women's Volleyball and Hockey. The viewing experience is smooth and packed from start to finish with excitement, with fewer commercials.

Anyway, here is an interesting fact that I found. "In a 3-hour NFL game, the time the ball is in play equals about eleven minutes". So for a 3 hour investment of our time, you get to see 11 minutes of actual play.

https://medium.com/knowledge-stew/how-much-playing-really-goes-on-in-an-nfl-game-4d1db2731538

 

[tynimiller]

Anyway, here is an interesting fact that I found. "In a 3-hour NFL game, the time the ball is in play equals about eleven minutes". So for a 3 hour investment of our time, you get to see 11 minutes of actual play.

This isn't mathing for me...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This isn't mathing for me...

How so? How long does an average play take, from the time the ball is snapped, until the play is dead? 5-10 seconds? Heck, the 11 minutes might even include "plays" that are nullified by penalty.

Just for reference, Jacobs 40 yard TD run took 8 seconds of game clock, from snap to clock stoppage after TD signaled.

 

[Magooch]

I've heard similar before...it seems on the low side, but I dunno...I mean that's basically just shy of one full quarter of play.

The above article is paywalled for me, so I can't tell for sure - might be repeating, but Wall Street Journal did an analysis years ago that arrived at the same rough figure of 11-12 minutes of ball-in-play

Out of a roughly 180 minute broadcast, they logged the following camera times...
A third (60 minutes) went to commercials alone
About 75 minutes went to shots of players in-between plays
About 23 minutes went to replay views
4 minutes were camera shots of referees and coaches
And 11-12 minutes was live, ball-in-play action.

Now I have seen some info to suggest that number has increased in recent years, up to more like 15-20 minutes of actual play.

At the same time though, I think some of that "in play" figure doesn't tell the whole story. For instance if the offense lines up and the QB spends 30 seconds analyzing the defense, shifting the play, changing things up etc...the ball isn't in play, but I would certainly count this as the game being played, a "live action" moment. This kind of strategizing and adjusting is part of the game. I would certainly agree that the frequency of stoppages is kind of ridiculous, but at the same time it's like...It'd be like measuring a round of golf only by the time the ball is hitting the club and in in the air or rolling. An 18 hole round of golf would only have probably 3 minutes of "ball-in-play"

 

[tynimiller]

How so? How long does an average play take, from the time the ball is snapped, until the play is dead? 5-10 seconds? Heck, the 11 minutes might even include "plays" that are nullified by penalty.

Just for reference, Jacobs 40 yard TD run took 8 seconds of game clock.

Oh so I view gameplay as more than just snap to whistle...there is a TON of stuff happening by alignments, motions, check outs, blitz creep...trying to guess what the opponent is doing - the time outside those time frames I cannot unsee as gameplay.

I get now though how you view it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

At the same time though, I think some of that "in play" figure doesn't tell the whole story. For instance if the offense lines up and the QB spends 30 seconds analyzing the defense, shifting the play, changing things up etc...the ball isn't in play, but I would certainly count this as the game being played, a "live action" moment.

I guess all those times that Bisaccia is talking things over with MLF is "free game time" then? Or when MLF calls a timeout to avoid a 5 yard delay of game, we get bonus time of watching MLF get a new play in even slower?

 

[Magooch]

Or kind of similar.... I watch a lot of soccer, and in the "soccer vs football" argument you will hear a lot of "pro-soccer" folks talk about how it's a 90 minute match but you get 90 full minutes of action. But, that's only kind of true. The ball isn't in play for that full 90 minutes, and while the referee will add stoppage time to try and make up for it, last I heard in a top-level match it's still working out to closer to 60 minutes of actual ball-in-play time.

But more than that (this is a bit of a tangent I guess), while there are no timeouts or commercial interruptions, it's not like it's full-bore start-to-finish. even the very best players will only be going max exertion, full on sprints for a sum total of like ~7 minutes in a given match. Of course, you aren't really often hitting a full-on sprint in football either, but I would argue that for a lot of positions the amount of physical exertion spent on every snap (and an average of ~5 seconds per play) is probably at least equivalent to hitting a full sprint for that amount of time (like....5 seconds of sprinting is probably not more physically taxing than 5 seconds of scrimmage battle, for instance). So even compared to other sports with more "consistent" action, the overall exertion is probably similar IMO

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Oh so I view gameplay as more than just snap to whistle...there is a TON of stuff happening by alignments, motions, check outs, blitz creep...trying to guess what the opponent is doing - the time outside those time frames I cannot unsee as gameplay.

I get now though how you view it.

Not to be a smart ass, but even the networks seem to often shy away from always showing teams breaking the huddle and the QB studying the defense. In favor of commercials in 1/4 of the screen, a replay, interviewing someone, focusing on players on the sidelines, etc. Anyway, while I agree with you that the "total fan experience" can be 3 hrs, the actual "ball in play", seems to be around 11 minutes. Which probably averages to 5 minutes for the offense, 5 minutes for the defense and 1 minute for the special teams.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Or kind of similar.... I watch a lot of soccer, and in the "soccer vs football" argument you will hear a lot of "pro-soccer" folks talk about how it's a 90 minute match but you get 90 full minutes of action. But, that's only kind of true. The ball isn't in play for that full 90 minutes, and while the referee will add stoppage time to try and make up for it, last I heard in a top-level match it's still working out to closer to 60 minutes of actual ball-in-play time.

But more than that (this is a bit of a tangent I guess), while there are no timeouts or commercial interruptions, it's not like it's full-bore start-to-finish. even the very best players will only be going max exertion, full on sprints for a sum total of like ~7 minutes in a given match. Of course, you aren't really often hitting a full-on sprint in football either, but I would argue that for a lot of positions the amount of physical exertion spent on every snap (and an average of ~5 seconds per play) is probably at least equivalent to hitting a full sprint for that amount of time (like....5 seconds of sprinting is probably not more physically taxing than 5 seconds of scrimmage battle, for instance). So even compared to other sports with more "consistent" action, the overall exertion is probably similar IMO

Pick another sport to compare, I assume you have never played soccer?

 

[OldSchool101]

I remember once spending $50 to watch Tyson knock out Frazier inside 30 seconds! That’s $150 in today’s $ for 30 seconds of letdown.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I remember once spending $50 to watch Tyson knock out Frazier inside 30 seconds! That’s $150 in today’s $ for 30 seconds of letdown.

Sounds cheaper than a "hot date"!

"During a 3-hour NFL game date, the time the balls is are in play equals about eleven minutes."

 

[OldSchool101]

I guess all those times that Bisaccia is talking things over with MLF is "free game time" then? Or when MLF calls a timeout to avoid a 5 yard delay of game, we get bonus time of watching MLF get a new play in even slower

Crazy part is most fans would choose to strive for us to put our bench in and kneel on the ball over and over and over.
I swear I think many fans prefer to pay to not see the game in case of heartache. Like we’d pay extra to just log a Win and move on.

The stress of watching is just too hard!

 

[pacmaniac]

Not to be a smart ass, but even the networks seem to often shy away from always showing teams breaking the huddle and the QB studying the defense. In favor of commercials in 1/4 of the screen, a replay, interviewing someone, focusing on players on the sidelines, etc. Anyway, while I agree with you that the "total fan experience" can be 3 hrs, the actual "ball in play", seems to be around 11 minutes. Which probably averages to 5 minutes for the offense, 5 minutes for the defense and 1 minute for the special teams.

It's probably around 30 minutes or so. The official Packers-Broncos highlights video is 17 minutes, and that definitely doesn't include all plays.

 

[McKnowledge]

Sorry you don’t agree with me, it’s fine if you do or don’t. We just don’t happen to agree here. Wasn’t certain what you meant by it and clearly we do not agree.

I should’ve put sarcasm in italics. We can certainly disagree about “contenders”, although I hope the Packers remain so…

 

[milani]

Not sure this post has a good place, so I will put it here. As a fan of the Packers, I do enjoy watching them play. However, the viewing experience of ALL NFL games has really degraded over the years, all in the name of making MORE money through advertising. While it is noticeable when watching on TV, it is REALLY noticeable when you are sitting/standing in the stands, wondering when the TV timeout will be over and when the next one will make everything grind to a halt again.

I watch a lot of NCAA Women's Volleyball and Hockey. The viewing experience is smooth and packed from start to finish with excitement, with fewer commercials.

Anyway, here is an interesting fact that I found. "In a 3-hour NFL game, the time the ball is in play equals about eleven minutes". So for a 3 hour investment of our time, you get to see 11 minutes of actual play.

https://medium.com/knowledge-stew/how-much-playing-really-goes-on-in-an-nfl-game-4d1db2731538

That is why some of these highlight videos can cover just about all the plays but not the in betweens.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That is why some of these highlight videos can cover just about all the plays but not the in betweens.

Yup, can watch an entire game in under 15 minutes.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's probably around 30 minutes or so. The official Packers-Broncos highlights video is 17 minutes, and that definitely doesn't include all plays.

I was going off of an article, which I referenced. They were talking about actual play time. Which is from the moment the ball is snapped, until the play is blown dead. The highlight film you refer to isn't that, there are moments before the snap and after the ball carrier is down included in that 17 minute video.

It is pretty easy math. The average NFL play lasts around 4-7 seconds. 120-140 plays per game.