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The Sunshine Patriot

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by ThxJackVainisi, Dec 6, 2013.

  1. HardRightEdge
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    Would it be OK to rip on Burnett for biting on the run...once again?
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    Jack's last paragraph notwithstanding, this thread presents a rhetorical trap.

    The implied contrast between the "In Ted We Trust" crowd vs. the spoiled whiners (and implied Favre dead-enders?) unimpressed with TT's recent work is a conflated dichotomy. There's a vast middle ground where the truth lies.

    So, I for one will not take the bait.
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    Yeah, your right, I take back what I said before. I obviously gave the initial post far too much credit in my initial read. While well written I can't say it was well thought out in light of the above. If you go bak through other things I've posted, I generally don't like posts that attempt to insult or belittle others; it's generally the mark of someone who doesn't have the skill to argue their point very well and it hurts the overall tone and value of the forum. I don't need to feel personally insulted by something in order to mention that I thought it was in poor taste. As for your use of the phrases like "spoiled fans", "fair weather fans", etc., I don't really care about those. Those could very well be accurate, some fans are simply frontrunners and I have no problem with calling them out on it (cough, Miami Heat fans, cough). However, you began talking down to people when you told them to grow up. You may "feel" like some on the board are immature but when you start telling people to grow up, you simply sound like someone who wants to hear their own thoughts parroted back at them.


    This is an Internet forum. That means there are LOTS of people that can post here. There is a very high probability that some of those people won't agree with you on many things, that's actually one of the positive elements of having a forum, the educational element of differing view points. The tool for having a discussion with someone that feels exactly like you do on every subject was invented a long time ago, it's the mirror.
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    Yeah, but I will note that Burnett is kind of in a "damned-if-you-do" trap. Packers are poor against the run and pass this year. I'd actually rather he be more aggressive against the run since that seems to actually be the bigger problem (and the weather today made the passing a game a little chancy).
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    That was Tony Freaking Gonzalez, a guy who's caught a bazillion TDs off play action in red zone. He was suckered; it was a poor decision.
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    That's why I agreed with the initial post. The rest was more a general observation.
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    Very well-said Sunshine.
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    The vast middle ground IS where the truth lies and my initial post in no way contradicts that point. The vast majority of the posters on this board inhabit the vast middle ground IMO and if that weren’t the case I for one wouldn’t post here.

    So the OP was not aimed at the majority of posters here, neither was it aimed at those who criticize Thompson (as I have been among that group on occasion). It wasn’t even aimed at the Thompson haters, whether or not the reason for their hatred was Favre related, as those people are IMO detached from reality with regard to Thompson. Neither (of course) was it aimed at those few who never criticize Thompson. That’s not for me but they are harmless IMO. The OP was aimed at the spoiled fans as AmishMafia points out in the 18th post. Those who ‘throw temper-tantrum’ posts as if they somehow deserve for the Packers to be perennial winners and some of whom post as though they think a three year wait for a title means big changes are in order.
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    I have already said this, many times, I do not know why people keep telling me this like it is not something I do not already know...
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    Perhaps I misinterpreted your use of the phrase: 'All evidence points to the contrary' in regards to there being problems in GB. I know there are problems, if you read my post again, I acknowledge. If you read other posts, you will see I am upset with defensive coaching, ST coaching, OL coaching, MLBs not being aggressive, missing a defensive fiery leader on the field, safety, etc. But the point is there are lots of positives about this team.

    I don't think 'all evidence' is a fair assessment - not by a long shot. We have some very impressive young talent at CB; Rodgers and CM3 are HOF material; our receiving corps is the envy of the NFL; our specialists, PK and P, are both doing well; Lacy looks to be special; Bak is doing very well for a rookie; etc. I look at all this as evidence, as well as the success we have had in the last 3 years, and none of it points to something wrong in GB.

    Would I be happy with with a one and done in the playoffs? Nope. You completely don't understand me. I want a SB victory every year - just as I am sure you do. I just understand that it is unreasonable to expect it. And if we fall short (as will 4 or 5 other very talented teams) I don't think that is an indictment of the way TT is handling the team.

    Right now, there are the 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, Chiefs and Patriots who all have a legitimate shot. Panthers and Bengals are also right about there as well. Those are all very good teams and I think we have a shot at beating all of them - but it is a difficult challenge. As we do, all of these teams have their weak points - and that is just the nature of the NFL these days.
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    I really like your optimism.
    It's a refreshing change from the pessimistic, the sky is falling crap I hear from my wife on a steady basis.
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    Now I wish I could take my disagree mark on your original post away because after reading this post, you and I think along the same lines. I now understand that my "all evidence" part of my post probably made it sound like I think "everything" is wrong in GB. For the record, I do not believe that. When I used that phrase i was thinking of the exact same things that you talk about such as DC, ST, OL, etc..

    Anyway, i do believe we basically think the same way, we were just having a communication block for whatever reason. :)
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