The Packers WON at HOME. Against a good team too!
Now Zero just how good can they be? After all they have not won a game all season.
The Packers WON at HOME. Against a good team too!
and ignore doesn't work. Wonderful.
and you still FAIL at understanding field position.
FAIL.
tromadz said:and ignore doesn't work. Wonderful.
and you still FAIL at understanding field position.
FAIL.
The fact that ignore doesn't work makes it hard for me to post here despite some very knowledgeable fans. My stupidity threshold just gets met far too quickly.
dhpackr, here is a link for you. If you go through year by year and look at the defensive and offensive ratings of each Super Bowl winning team, you'll be surprised to find that the old cliche, "defense wins championships" has so much evidence behind it, it should be changed to a truism.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
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in case you forgot, the bears, who were a defensive minded team, lost to the colts, an offensive minded team. end of story.
Greg C. said:Bobby Roberts said:There are still plenty of holes in our defense...Honestly, I don't see any holes right now. It's still too early to tell about some players who have yet to prove themselves, but at this point I'm optimistic. There is no Marquand Manuel, and no KGB, who became a major liability against the run when he began to wear down about halfway through last season. Poppinga had problems in pass coverage early last season, but he's been pretty good since then. Also, we don't have Ahmad Carroll playing the nickel, we have Jarret Bush, who looks pretty good so far. Also, I think Johnny Jolly brings more to the table at DT than Corey Williams and Colin Cole did, plus we still have those guys.
There's little depth at safety or LB, but as long as there are no major injuries at those spots (knock on wood) I just don't see any major weaknesses.
Our defense is greatly improved, but we're far from capable of denying a TD in every game as net suggested. One big hole is in our experience. The Eagles were able to exploit one of a great weaknesses, which is the screen pass. The D didn't produce many turnovers considering the pressure put on -- some very catchable INTs were dropped.
This is not a knock on the defense, these guys are good! I'm very happy with the group we have, as well as the coaches. My concern is that we're looking to rely on them too much, which isn't a good plan. We still need a strong offense to go far. Our skill players on offense are fine, but the OL needs to play better. If the OL plays strong, then the offense will done well and the defense can shut-down the opponents. It's a balance that we don't have right now, but hopefully the OL will come together soon.
GO PACK GO!!!
Bobby, Net wasn't implying that the GB defense is so good that they can shut out their opponent in every game.
He said theritically IF a defense is good enough to shut out an opponent, that team really doesn't need much of an offense. That theoretical team can win every game simply by kicking just 1 FG.
He also said that instead of complaining about how lousy the GB offense was that we as fans need to support this team, for now.
Bobby Roberts said:Bobby, Net wasn't implying that the GB defense is so good that they can shut out their opponent in every game.
He said theritically IF a defense is good enough to shut out an opponent, that team really doesn't need much of an offense. That theoretical team can win every game simply by kicking just 1 FG.
He also said that instead of complaining about how lousy the GB offense was that we as fans need to support this team, for now.
The offense sucked. So by saying that, does that mean I'm not supporting my team?? I will always support the Packers, rain or shine. My wife and I went to the last game of the season 2 years ago, when we won the game to improve our record to 4-12.
Basically, TT did a good job of building a good defense, but the offense has largely been ignored. The debate on the intelligence of that approach should continue until the offense picks it up and proves TT right.
de_real_deal said:I saw the whole game on sunday. I thought our defense played pretty well. But really, they did not dominate. The eagles dropped quite a few balls, McNabb as great as he played was obviously slowed by the injury. The old McNabb would have broken all of those tackles in the past. He consistently drove the ball on us and i saw many of the same problems we had last year.
We still can not cover the middle of the field after 4 seconds. If we dont get good pressure on the QB, there is always someone open in the middle. Westbrook was open on almost every play it seemed. The McNabb of last year would have lit us up if he wasnt hobbled like now. Maybe not next week but soon, somebody is going to eliminate the stupid mistakes that the eagles had and throw up 45 pts on our defense. Im not trying to be negative, just honest
going to be facing qb's who should still be rehabbing torn acl's all year long. We needed desperately to get offensive help and a safety in the offseason but instead, we got an 8th string defensive tackle who was inactive and decided to pocket 13-14 million in cap space even though it does not carry over.
Happy times
de_real_deal said:Warhawk, he did move out there very well, but not nearly as well as he used to before the injury. I felt bad for him even though i was happy for us. I remember at least 4 - 5 times where he broke containment and was running away and got shoe string tackled by a defensive lineman or linebacker. That didnt happen in earlier years. He was playing tentative and i saw a little limp in his giddyup. Not saying that is the only reason they lost, it was just a point i was making. He played very well.
in case you forgot, the bears, who were a defensive minded team, lost to the colts, an offensive minded team. end of story.
dhpackr said:in case you forgot, the bears, who were a defensive minded team, lost to the colts, an offensive minded team. end of story.
It's hardly the end of the story. The Colts defense is what enabled them to win last year and against the Bears. They always had the offense with Dungy and Manning.
dhpackr said:in case you forgot, the bears, who were a defensive minded team, lost to the colts, an offensive minded team. end of story.
It's hardly the end of the story. The Colts defense is what enabled them to win last year and against the Bears. They always had the offense with Dungy and Manning.
net said:dhpackr said:in case you forgot, the bears, who were a defensive minded team, lost to the colts, an offensive minded team. end of story.
It's hardly the end of the story. The Colts defense is what enabled them to win last year and against the Bears. They always had the offense with Dungy and Manning.
YAWN!
de_real_deal said:Warhawk, he did move out there very well, but not nearly as well as he used to before the injury. I felt bad for him even though i was happy for us. I remember at least 4 - 5 times where he broke containment and was running away and got shoe string tackled by a defensive lineman or linebacker. That didnt happen in earlier years. He was playing tentative and i saw a little limp in his giddyup. Not saying that is the only reason they lost, it was just a point i was making. He played very well.
Brett played better years back as well so I guess that matchup would be considered about even wouldn't it?
Philly put pressure on Favre causing him to fumble giving the Eagles great field position and oppurtunity to not only score but win the game.
They had the ball on our seven with a first and ten and we held them to a field goal.
They catch a huge break when we sack McNabb back on their seven only to get out with the penalty on Woodson. I think that break was worth a couple of dropped passes don't you?
You can look at various breaks in the game but the bottom line is our defense made the plays when they had to and in the end that's why we won this game
Just because playing good defense has not been the norm around here for many years doesn't mean we won't win more games because of how well our defense may play.
In fact I can see many wins with the defense being the biggest reason for them. I see that trait in a lot of teams that win SB's.