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Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Skol guy, Oct 25, 2009.

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    Yeah Ziggy was wanting Brett and his 12 million dollar arm trying to bring down a man of his size with two very large escorts at his side. I am sure those guys would love to put a good lick on a guy who has torched them for 334 yards. So surely you didn't expect him to lay his body out for that? The interception was not on him so you sound like you heard INT so right away you grasp at that. We all know nobody in sconny wants Favre to win and we all know people in minny want him to win so lets see how it plays out. Favre had a great game in a defensive struggle I thought. I would bet I watched more of the vikings game than most of you. That Steelers defensive is tough and Favre was moving the ball and gave them a chance. That was a fairly soft pass that him dead in the hands.
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    Not only that, but I didn't hear a single soul here put the blame on Rodgers for the Vikings loss. He had an INT and fumble. I heard people say it didnt help but not to the degree that favre is getting.


    So if it is Favre's fault yesterday then its fair to say the Viks game is all on rodgers too. Please tell me where I am wrong.
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    I'm sorry. I'm just slow. I gave you the option to say that either both games was in him, that he was the main responsable for the loss and the win, or that he was just a part of the team, that he helped them win, but "helped" them lose. So you agree with the later, that though he helped them win at SF, it wasn't because of him they won. And the same goes for yesterday's game?
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    I'm going to bookmark this thread ... and after the Packers visit Heinz Field later in the season ... - this thread should make an interesting discussion (again) ...


    Sunday can't come fast enough ... I'm really looking forward to that game ...



    When I look that the games, ... I watch the games and I watch them again ... I'm sorry, but in those 2 games you bring up (specifically) - Yes, Favre did in fact win the SF game (with Lewis) for the Vikings, where as he did NOT lose the game against the Steelers on his own ...

    Again ... I reiterate ... NFL games aren't as "black and white" as you seemingly would like them to be ... - Good try on the "baiting" though ... *applaud*

    To that point please review last season (2006) ... in the Play Offs ... - First you have the game against the Seattle Seahawks ... - which the Packers won and everyone cheered them on as having beat the Seahawks as a team, whereas ... in the next game the NFC Championship against the Giants ... Favre singlehandedly lost that game ... - Just doesn't make sense ... And that is my point ... - It's not "black and white" ... all though I can certainly understand from a fan(atic) point of view that it would be "best" if it were so heh ... (not saying you are a "fanatic", however, when you try to put it up as "black and white" like you do ... it does make you seem like one ...)

    I've been watching and (somewhat) "rooting" for the Packers since 1993 (when I saw my first game) ... but just because I like the Packers, doesn't mean I have to have "tunnel vision" when it comes to them playing ... - And just because I like the Packers, doesn't mean I cannot like the Vikings either ... or the Cowboys for that matter ... (those 3 teams are the ones I prefer mostly, all though I do have a "soft spot" for the Ravens in AFC too ...)

    Why I like the Packers: - Because my first NFL experience was at Lambeau Field ...

    Why I like the Cowboys: - I had the fortune of watching 2 of their games when I visited a friend of mine, whom I met while being deployed in Afghanistan.

    Why I like the Vikings: - Mostly, because of #4 and Adrian Peterson

    Why I like the Ravens: I like how they have been playing the past seasons and I enjoy watching Flacco develop ...


    In general I just like football ... and I enjoy discussing football, because NFL isn't a "big thing" here in Europe ... (all though Denmark is actually the nation in Europe that watches most NFL when you compare the numbers to inhabitants)
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    So you didn't look far, because I said Rodgers didn't play well that game. He doesn't get the degree Favre is getting because we're not such homers to put all the wins on his shoulders, like you do with Favre.

    You people are not getting that if you praise him for being magic when he scores the victory TD, you're gonna hear when he delivers the losing int.
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    You are picking certain throws and not looking at the overall picture. No one is saying that he isn't good and that most of his throws are right on the money. You are getting too defensive "angry guy". What I am sayings is that there are bad throws and there are good throws. You have to take the good with the bad and the ugly. Show me where anyone on this board said that throw to set up the score in the ravens game wasn't a good throw. You can't. And we have already heard that Rodgers sucks and every single loss is because he is the worst QB in history and we hear every day on espn that Brett is God.
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    You didn't answer me.
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    Let me guess....... your a rhodes scholor are you not?:jester:In this game that the Vikings were driving the ball down the steelers throats in the 4th qtr the Vikings were down by 3 not 17 like your Packers. It looked like a ticky tack foul to call in a game like that. That takes the game out of the play and in the hands of the refs. Vikings were playing hard nosed Norris division football and were cramming it down the steelers throats twice in 4 minutes. A 3 pt game you have to let them play. I would bet those refs graded out poorly as well as at the dome on monday night. Some of the crap they are calling on all teams is crazy. Way too much stoppage of play. I am encouraged and I am sure they will be hungry as will the Pack Sunday. Countdown has started!
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    Gee..."Jr"...

    It's funny that you say Favre is either "LUCKY" or "It's someone else's fault"...

    It couldn't possibly be that Favre is actually "GOOD"..You'd never admit to that, right..because it would KILL you. It would also invalidate your argument that Rodgers is "better" than Favre, and that "Ted made the right move."

    That's why we laugh at you and shake our heads, or become frustrated. It's because you are so hypocritical about the whole deal and won't admit that it's just a giant case of "sour grapes" on your part, and you can't even see it.

    That's whats even sadder...
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    I edited my post and did answer you ...
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    WTF who said rodgers sucks on the Minny side? It is packer fans argueing about aaron rodgers if you really want to know. Look at the talk and see who its coming from Genius. I have called him a stud,great and tough so if your calling me out with your dribble your barking up the wrong tree. I poked fun at him for getting way-laid at the dome but that was hardly his fault. You sound like a twelve yrs old sometimes, seriously. Nobody except packer fans have said anything real bad about A Rodgers. We all know he is good over here. We think Brett Favre is still pretty good here.Bring it on pack. You need to watch ESPN because they all say Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the North don't watch the spanish Futball ESPN. Jaws, Bradshaw long Jackson all those guys gush about Aaron Rodgers so you have lost me. I have never heard anything negative about him until I logged on here. He is a big strong QB that is fearless.
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    Actually I agree with the "Moving on" part (despite the fact that I really love watching #4 play, regardless of interceptions, and despite the fact that I would really have loved seeing him play out his last game for the Packers) ...

    At *That* particular time (2007) trading Favre and going with Rodgers was the correct move ... however ... NOT bringing other people in to reinforce the offensive line was a BAD business decision and made the prior move look really bad ... But all that is "water under the bridge now" ... Unfortunately ... neither side is able to "let it go", before Favre hangs up his cleats for good ...
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    Yeah, you did answer me, and that is just too biased for me to respect your opinions on this subject. You've proven everyone's point that Favre is Magic and everything he does is good and right and that he never makes mistakes. I'm not gonna argue with you about this anymore, because facts or arguments won't change you opinion.
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    Skol Guy may troll a lot, but he has said over and over that Rodgers is a great QB. He's a true vikings fan, not a "Favre" fan. Don't mistake him for one.
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    If anyone is "biased" ... I would say that it would be you ... - I'm not the one trying to make things "black and white" ... that is you, I'm afraid ...

    I answered your question, in regards to those 2 (specific) games you brought up ... Give me some other games, and perhaps I'll answer you differently ...

    So far you have yet to be "factual" ... and yet you "fault" me for being "biased" ? - I'm sorry but that is pure ludicrous (sp?).

    I've never said that Favre "never make mistakes" ... - Again you are twisting my words and taking things out of context ... But in those 2 specific games you mentioned ... he actually played pretty well ...

    By your logic, every dropped pass, every interception, every fumble, every sack should be put SOLELY on the quarterback, regardless of the circumstances ... - Sorry, but you are correct ... that's just not how I watch games ...
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    I just go with the product on the field. I have since the Days of Joe Kapp, fran the man and the generel Bobby Lee
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    You are right about that one. However, most Favre fans take it badly if they hear any critisism about Favre and insist that anyone who points out a flaw (all QB's have them) or that he may have made a mistake, act like we are saying that Favre is a bad QB. Don't have time to go back and give you all the examples, but no one here as far as I know have said Favre is a bad QB. I did say however, that he could have been even better if Holmgren had stayed in GB because Brett has never listened to anyone since. Still isn't, he is practically coaching himself.
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    Let me try to illustrate by using an example:

    Denmark just won our world cup qualifying group in Soccer ... - We only lost 1 game (against Hungary) ... with Portugal gaining the play off spot (play off game for world cup qualifier) ...

    As much as we love our country and our national (soccer) team ... no "die-hard" (soccer) fan thinks that Denmark is going to win the World Cup in Soccer ... - We have a chance of making a great "figure" yes, but not at winning ... Because we don't have the team for it ... - probably never will have ..., however that doesn't make any (soccer) fans "oblivious" to the short-comings on our (national) team ... nor does it prevent those same teams from being "realistic" when it comes to possible success of our national team ... Do we want them to do well ? Ofcourse we do, however, we also (almost all) know that it will probably end come the 1/8 finals at best ... with some luck perhaps the quarter finals ...


    That has nothing to do with being biased, however when you give critique solely based on a postulation and setting up a hypothetical scenario (using only a few parametres), using that as a "template" to measure any given player, that isn't being "realistic" but being biased ...
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    As far as the whole referee corp in the nfl, Im just about sick of them. Sick of the crap calls, as well as sick of them not letting the guys play the game. It's getting out of hand and f'ing ridiculous. And this goes for calls made against all teams, let them freaking play.

    Skol Guy is definitely a vikings fan and none of his posts can even be argued that he is a "favre" fan. (I felt like I had to back this up, because when people accuse it it makes the argument far worse and causes it to skew even more off topic and thats annoying.)
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    Most of the unrealistic stuff we come up with is why we call it talking "trash" here is the US. Even the Cleveland Browns think their team is going to the Superbowl. LOL
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    Oh ... the posts on these boards don't really qualify as "trash" hah ... - You should see the various (club) soccer boards then ...

    Actually the main reason I really "fell" for Football (football is soccer in Europe heh, where as -NFL-Football is called "American Football") was because of the fans ... - Even though I saw my first game at Lambeau, I've yet to experience a "Tailgating" party, but the thing that struck me most, was how all people made an "event" out of attending games and that was what really fascinated me ... because as most of you probably know ... Football (soccer) is (literally) "life and death" situations here in Europe (hence the word "Hooligan") ... - It has become increasingly better with the years, however, especially in Britain and Southern Europe (Spain and Italy are really bad) it's really a huge problem ...
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    try a butter burger for the whole experiance! quite good
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    The thing is, the Packers are more like Brazil than Denmark in soccer. They have a chance everytime, even though they don't look dominant. 2002 was all about Argentina and France. Brazil only qualified for the world cup in the last game, and almost had to go to the qualify round (SA qualifying is like a national championship. the first 4 qualifies for the WC directly, and the 5th goes on to face one North American Nation, before it was the Oceania champion.). They played badly against Turkey, and only won because the Ref was full of ****. (He gave us a penalty, when the faul on Rivaldo was out of the penalty area. It happened at reverse against China, though). Everybody started claiming that Brazil was terrible, had no defense. Turkey went on to be the 3rd place, and we won the World Cup.
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    You'd think football was life and death here too. I hope you get to go to your first tailgating party at Lambeau. Have fun!!
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    that is an overload of info for me. Let me put that in a nutshell:yu:What? You lost me at hello with that talk:happy0005:who played what?

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