PackersRS
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I'm sorry, but I have to post this:Compare the values espoused in today's TV programs to the values espoused in the earlier days of Television.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsegTiuEoq8
I'm sorry, but I have to post this:Compare the values espoused in today's TV programs to the values espoused in the earlier days of Television.
Which do you think is worse?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/10/jersey-shore-girl-punched_n_388203.html
I don't think you realize you are STILL subjecting a whole generation to your own personal bias and stereotypes. That sounds oddly familiar to another thing that was more rampant in the past than it is now, racism. I suggest you get outside more and interact with younger people, you would be surprised how intelligent, respectful, and nice we are - despite our baggy jeans and headphones.
Never made the point that today's TV is more or less moral. We have Jersey Shore, for crying out loud.Can't log into the site. It says some of the content may be inappropriate, so I'm not gonna bother. Are you honestly trying to say today's TV is more moral than it was in the 50's and early 60's? Really?
MTV is for the prior generation. It's already passed.Three letters will demonstrate the big difference between then and now....M...T....V. OKC; I'd rather fight to restore former values than have to live with consequences of Rome Redux.
The large minority in Gallup's poll.You know I think some of you guys may be a part of the 14% that Gallup mentions. RS, our generations definitely had faults, no doubt. Every generation does. But that doesn't refute the idea that things are declining. It's just using what is know as the "tuo quoque" argument. It doesn't get to the point it just skirts the issue by trying to point out that "well, yeah, but YOU did this." To keep this back on target; some of you defend Mike Neal and CJ2K when they are rude to fans. I won't defend them.
But as I said; I think some of you sincerely see things in a better light, even though Gallup notes that you are the large minority in that view. However, majority doesn't make a view right either, does it? Sometimes the majority is wrong. But I would ask? If 76% think things are declining; why do they think so if it isn't true?
For you guys that seem to want to be Men's men, here is an interesting website. I don't agree with everything on it, and you probably won't either, but it has some good points. One of my adult sons pointed this one out to me.
http://artofmanliness.com/2011/08/19/lose-with-dignity-celebrate-with-grace-part-i/
Oh, and it's a close to 3 minute (2:40) compilation with shows of the past showing women being slapped around. It shows somewhere from 15 to 20 different shows and movies, where women are slapped abundantly. All natural, some of them even like it.Can't log into the site. It says some of the content may be inappropriate, so I'm not gonna bother. Are you honestly trying to say today's TV is more moral than it was in the 50's and early 60's? Really?
Oh, and it's a close to 3 minute (2:40) compilation with shows of the past showing women being slapped around. It shows somewhere from 15 to 20 different shows and movies, where women are slapped abundantly. All natural, some of them even like it.
Don't get me started on emo music...My grandfather thought Elvis was garbage. My father puts up with hiphop but doesnt seem to be a big fan. I think emo music is terrible. eghh no generation is a fan of the one your kids are in it seems. This has been an interesting conversation and I by no means have been offended or upset at anything that has been said. Glad to see this be civil. aaaaand cue me getting on the soapbox...
I have managed apartments, by far the worst apt building I ever dealt with was 55+. I had a nun who would make people cry. I would post a notice and they would tear it up and throw it on the ground. They would get in groups and haze a lone tenant. I saw them hit others cars in parking lots, look around and drive off. They would threaten me with legal action over anything and was physically threatened 1 time as well (I told him hips break easy and I think he got point). They would try and listen in on my business conversations. It seriously never ended. It was worse than children and while not the entire building was contributing to the issues, I would say at least 75% were. Im not exactly thrilled with this generations elderly myself.
Again, I never debated it, questioning a player's rude behavior. Never once said it was acceptable. And that was not the point of the thread in the first place, was it? Defending or not a player. And again you generalize and come up with today being better than the past, or vice versa. Never said that past generations where wife beaters and child molesters and segregationists.RS, you're right. I'm out of line to question the defense of a player's rude behavior. It's totally understandable and acceptable today because today's values are so much better than the wife beaters, bigots and child molesters who fought a World War to have the right to beat women, ****** children and segregate whole sections of the population.
Again, I never debated it, questioning a player's rude behavior. Never once said it was acceptable. And that was not the point of the thread in the first place, was it? Defending or not a player. And again you generalize and come up with today being better than the past, or vice versa. Never said that past generations where wife beaters and child molesters and segregationists.
I'll ask you again, who are you debating with? It's certainly not me, because you seem to bring up points that I've never made.
So... watchoo talkin bout Willis?
Okay, that's fair, but I was never the perpetrator of any such remarks.The op regarded Neal's rude comments about the fans. One person agreed with me. Then others started piling on in defense of Neal. I mentioned that I felt I was an anachronism because I was taught values from a generation that generally frowned upon such behavior. Then it basically became "shut up old man, your generations were terrible too."
Okay, that's fair, but I was never the perpetrator of any such remarks.
Only fair to respond to me with what I said, and not what others said, don't you think? Because I'm the last guy to defend this generation, and I never did such thing.
Croak, I believe I do understand what you’re saying, I just think it lacks an historical perspective. As I posted above, complaining about the younger generation is as old as history itself.
Many trends in societies are cyclical. For example, look at the change in “morals” as expressed in popular culture in the 1920s (the “roaring 20s”) in the US. Then look at the late '40s to the 1950s and a more strict moral code was generally in place. The 1960s saw the pendulum swing back the other way. While there are aspects of our culture which tend to further moral decay IMO, look at the growth of Evangelical and Pentecostal churches in the US and around the world: Even though they are comprised of fallible humans, wouldn’t you agree they are an example of a force in society for a higher moral code?
I don’t agree with slighting our current military. Listen to some old and/or retired military leaders talk about them. And no matter what their reason for joining, their bravery in combat should not be minimized IMO. You mentioned after the US entered WWII, many joined to avoid being embarrassed at being left behind. That’s hardly a noble motive but in the end it just didn’t matter why they joined. It mattered that they joined and what they did after they joined. And as you say, generally military experience is a benefit to society.
IMO the portion of the linked article you provided was most interesting to this conversation was its comparison of the Millennials or Generation Ys – Mike Neal’s generation – to the “Silents”. It says the Millennials, “… represent the most team-centric generation since the Silents… A major influence from Boomer parents is their willingness to work hard and set goals to achieve the lifestyle they want. They also share many of the common values of patriotism and family from the Silents era.” I added the emphasis but doesn’t the portion I quoted seem to contradict the view you express here?
You did admit you were too harsh on Neal and I applaud you for doing so. My basic point is this: Throughout history although shaped by the cultures and circumstances in which they find themselves, people are people. Regarding this conversation, younger generations revolt against the authority of older ones in some way or another and the older generations resent that rebellion. “What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.” – Ecclesiastes 1:9