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Let Finley become a Free Agent

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by ivo610, Feb 5, 2012.

  1. NelsonsLongCatch
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    I'm not saying practice is meaningless... You're completely taking what I am saying the wrong way (not to mention being very defensive). Again, I'm just saying that a guy who's been catching footballs for 10+ years doesn't forget how to catch a football. Practice makes perfect.

    Regarding your bow hunting analogy, I bow hunt too. We aren't professionals. That's why practice is more important to us. We don't shoot a bow for a living.

    Please Note: A number of my responses ended up in your quote.
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    I NEVER suggested cutting him... You got me mistaken for other posters. I want him around forever.

    All I'm saying is that player doesn't forget how to catch.
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    So again, the implication you seem to be making here (whether intentional or not) is that practice doesn't mean much for professionals.

    Even if we did shoot bow for a living, we would have to practice regularly to stay in top form. Finley didn't practice for nearly 10 months. It has an impact. I really think you're worrying over nothing. He'll be fine.
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    I've never said otherwise. But skill do erode without practice... even for professionals.
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    That's been my point the entire time... I'm not worried about him. I'm just not making excuses for his performance.
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    Again, he had the best performance as a receiver of ANY TE in Packer history.
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    I'd schedule him for a vision check. :)
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    Rust is a factor. No practice or repetition is a factor. It happens to athletes in every sport after long layoffs and a lack of training and preparation.

    Any combatant will tell you that Ring Rust is very real, and most of these guys have been fighting from childhood. You may never forget how to throw a punch but throwing one accurately, timing on your punches, these things can take a while to build back up and the only way to do that is through repetition and live sparring. It's no different than the NFL


    And the last time I checked, being able to receive is a secondary requirement for a tight end who's primary responsibility is actually pass and run blocking.
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    I agree with much of what you say Southpaw but the TE position has evolved to the point where it is at least as much about receiving as blocking. This is especially true in McCarthy's offense.
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    Being in shape and healthy physically has little to no bearing on how up to par you are with your skills training. He may have been healthier and ready to go by the time the regular season started, but that doesn't mean he was able to put in the time to sharpen his abilities on the field.
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    So 13 drops are acceptable because he had the best year of any Packers TE ever?
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    Missing the point..

    he was healthy when season started, so he had ALL SEASON to practice...17 weeks worth if not more including pre season

    If what your saying is completely true (he couldnt get ready in 17 plus weeks to catch balls) then we should cut him

    So with that said Ivo wanting to let him go would please you??

    Instead it upsets you
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    If he kept his big mouth shut or at least caught balls in it, I wouldn't have a problem with him. He has the talent to be a top 5 TE . Just shut up and let your talking be done on the field.
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    Welcome to the year 2012, tight ends don't block any more.
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    Do you not understand the concept of OTA's or an offseason? Do you think the only thing the receivers and tight ends do the week leading up to the game is catch footballs?

    James Jones had 19 weeks last season to improve his ball skills but they never improved. They were a problem from week 1 to the Superbowl.
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    I like the combo of Southpaw and GreenBlood constantly using the phrase "Do you not understand" to start posts. Apparently nobody understands except you...
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    Well clearly you don't understand. I wouldn't say it otherwise.

    Listen, I'm not going to get on here and defend a player for no reason. I have no personal feelings for Finley but I do have personal feeling for this team. I love this team and want them to succeed and part of the success that we all want is a high scoring offense and Finley is a player that, despite some drops, makes that possible.

    Drops CAN be fixed. He's a young player with loads of potential which he's displayed in previous seasons and even this season. To let him go would be unwise, clearly the majority of people including the people that are actually involved with this organization and team want to keep him.

    For you people on here who love to worship and place all your trust in the infallible Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy, you sure seem to think you know more than they do right now.

    I get it you are all still bent out of shape that our season ended early and with that we all want to find somebody to blame it on. However, maybe it's time to find someone else to pin it on or at least spread some of the blame. Because Finley is hardly the reason for our playoffs failures.

    We still won 15 games despite some untimely drops, but make no mistake that he is still a vital part of our offense and our success in being the best scoring offense in the NFL
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    You got me confused man. I don't put all my faith in Ted Thompson. I don't blame Finley for the Giants loss. I don't want Finley cut. I personally don't consider Mike McCarthy a very good coach. I also love the Packers and want them to win the Super Bowl every year.

    I just felt like commenting on how you and GreenBlood state everything like it's fact.
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    I don't, but for some reason when it comes to these types of arguments you and a lot of other don't like to look into these issues with much depth or look beyond the obvious or even bother to check to see what you are saying is accurate.

    If OTA's and Weekly Practices were the same thing. Why would teams, analysts and fans be making such a big deal about there no being any due to the lockout?

    If Weekly practices were enough to fix drops, then why didn't it help James Jones last season? I mean he did have 19-20 weeks to improve and it never did. Finley is no exception.

    An offseason for Jones where he was able to focus on improving his game and he's back to playing great.

    Are we just going to wash our hands of Finley without giving him a chance?
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    LOL..

    1st I want Finley to stay, drops can be fixed...

    2nd, you are so missing my point

    ota, and offseason I get it, to hone your skills..We all know that

    But what your not understanding is that at practice he can do same thing..They dont just sit there and go thru the plays for each week..They do catch balls, kickers kick fg, punters punt , q/b throw, and wr and te CATCH the balls



    Unless you have 1st hand knowledge of Finleys day to day practice routines, I suggest we just end this debate cuz neither has the RIGHT answer
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    :tup::tup: THANK YOU
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    He didn't have 13 drops. He had 11. Drops are fixable. That's EXACTLY what OTAs and mini camps are about.
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    They don't get anywhere near the same reps on individual skills as they do with OTAs and mini camps. Finley never had a problem with drops prior to this year. The difference in those seasons is clear.
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    Ok so...

    With ota and mini camps they work on catching...Then rest of the season they dont?

    So from Aug on they dotn work on it? Come on...

    I am not buying that
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    Didn't he say his timing with Aaron was off all year? I don't think you need an off season to remember how to or continue to be able to catch a ball but it could have effected the timing. The last time Rodgers had thrown to him he was probably a step faster with a good knee. After the injury its possible that he lost a step and that his cuts are slightly different. That coupled with a mental block could be the root of the issue. I think it can be fixed though.
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    Jj wasnt hurt and had all of ota and mini camps, right?

    Sure helped him stop his drops in 2010....

    Face it, ota, practices, mini camps arent a cure all for the drops..

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