With their 1st Pick in the 2018 NFL Draft the Packers select...

[GleefulGary]

I'm just saying that sub 6'0 WR's can win consistently on the outside. It's not a hard and fast rule that you have to be 6'0+.

You can also be a #1 WR from the slot if you have a creative coach.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

I used to be a size queen too when it came to wide receivers, but after seeing Antonio Brown and O'Dell play, I've pretty much put that to bed. I'm not saying any of these receivers should be compared to either of those guys, but I won't discount a receiver because of size anymore. I mean, no one saw Antonio Brown becoming a number one and that's why he was drafted in the 6th. I think route running and quickness trumps all right now. It's hard to cover a wide receiver that can juke you out of your shoes regardless of size.

 

[Dantés]

If the Packers love him as much as I do then I would take him at 14 and get it over with. I have a real hard time believing no receievers are gonna make it to the 2nd round because so many teams need them. I mean look at what they got paid in free agency and none of those guys had elite stats.

Contrary to what some people think here I dont have tunnel vision in regards to this matter. If a propect like Derwin James is sitting there at 14 then they should take James because I believe he is a game changing safety that fits a need and can be used a variety of ways.

As posted I like the scenario where we trade back a couple picks and grab Sutton and add to our warchest of picks to maneuver and address defensive needs but sometimes you can get to cute with it and lose the guy you love.

The one thing im certain of and id be willing to wager is that Sutton isnt making it to 45.

I don't think you have tunnel vision, I just think you like Sutton more than most here and have a hard time coming to terms with that.

 

[brandon2348]

I'm just saying that sub 6'0 WR's can win consistently on the outside. It's not a hard and fast rule that you have to be 6'0+.

You can also be a #1 WR from the slot if you have a creative coach.

Im fine with 6"0 receivers as long as they have some body to them like Moore does. Remember how much I liked Parris Campbell? I just have a hard time putting a 1st round grade on them because if they cant get loose at the next level they have no length to fall back on and your stuck with a 3 or a 4 or maybe worse.

 

[GleefulGary]

Im fine with 6"0 receivers as long as they have some body to them like Moore does. Remember how much I liked Parris Campbell? I just have a hard time putting a 1st round grade on them because if they cant get loose at the next level they have no length to fall back on and your stuck with a 3 or a 4 or maybe worse.

Yes, I do remember your infatuation with Campbell.

We'll argue about that next year too.

 

[brandon2348]

I don't disagree with you on Moore.

I think he can win on the outside, but plays best in the slot. He's not a #1 option. I wouldn't take him in the first.

Similar to a Golden Tate type player.

Personally for me. I'd rather have the Packers take a flyer on Antonio Callaway later then DJ. Moore in 2nd.

Get Sutton and Callaway and we'd be set with offense for days.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Personally for me. I'd rather have the Packers take a flyer on Antonio Callaway later then DJ. Moore in 2nd.

Get Sutton and Callaway and we'd be set with offense for days.

I don't know much about this Sutton guy, is he any good?

Right now, I like Ateman, Lazard, Kirk and EQ Brown.

 

[brandon2348]

I don't know much about this Sutton guy, is he any good?

Right now, I like Ateman, Lazard, Kirk and EQ Brown.

Well these jokers keep bringing up "Antonio Brown" so im trying to give it to them with Callaway but im sure there still trying to find picks to mainline into the defense.

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[GleefulGary]

If one can't say positive things about a player without degrading the opinion of another, it devalues your argument.

If one acts like his opinion is fact, he/she doesn't allow himself the opportunity to grow.

I could be wrong on Sutton. I admit that. But it's impossible for you to say there's a chance you're wrong. It's not, "I think if the Packers draft Sutton there's a chance we could have a record breaking offense", it's "If we draft Sutton we're the best offense ever and you're idiots who only care about defense if you don't agree with me!"

I hope you can understand the difference between those two opinion statements and what it does to your argument.

 

[brandon2348]

If one can't say positive things about a player without degrading the opinion of another, it devalues your argument.

If one acts like his opinion is fact, he/she doesn't allow himself the opportunity to grow.

I could be wrong on Sutton. I admit that. But it's impossible for you to say there's a chance you're wrong. It's not, "I think if the Packers draft Sutton there's a chance we could have a record breaking offense", it's "If we draft Sutton we're the best offense ever and you're idiots who only care about defense if you don't agree with me!"

I hope you can understand the difference between those two opinion statements and what it does to your argument.

Of course I could be wrong about Sutton and i unserstand your opinion. Im just tired of these stale drafts that dont seem to make us any better. Its a risk vs reward situation but i just see this past tendancy to go the safest route possible that has lead us to a mediocre talented team overall and last year without Rodgers we all saw it. There is no more debate of where we are or where we aren't in regards to Rodgers.

The Rams just acquired Cooks and were currently sitting tight with G. Allison. I really hope Gute breaks this cycle we seem to be in with regards to the draft. This is probably the most important Packer draft in a long time. Its just not as simple as drafting the safest defensive pick anymore.

 

[GleefulGary]

Who here is saying to draft the safest defensive player? Find it. Find the post.

You're making up arguments that aren't here.

 

[Dantés]

Who here is saying to draft the safest defensive player? Find it. Find the post.

You're making up arguments that aren't here.

How is he supposed to win the argument without the straw man?

 

[brandon2348]

Who here is saying to draft the safest defensive player? Find it. Find the post.

You're making up arguments that aren't here.

Im not gonna go back 23 pages and pull it all up. Nobody used the phrase the "safest defensive player" but there is an obvious tendancy that after player by player getting crossed off the list because they most likely wont be there at 14 the sum result is to go to the next defensive player available. Its pretty plain an obvious.

It appears to me that nobody or maybe a select few are concerned about the offense. Everyone has become so spoiled that we can just line anybody up and Rodgers will turn chicken **** into chicken salad. This is a very dangerous line to walk. When is the last time we drafted an offensive player in the 1st round?

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Who here is saying to draft the safest defensive player? Find it. Find the post.

You're making up arguments that aren't here.

Haven’t seen him post in awhile but TT been saying it for years, sometimes actions speak louder than words.

 

[GleefulGary]

Haven’t seen him post in awhile but TT been saying it for years, sometimes actions speak louder than words.

Kenny Clark was a safe pick? Damarious Randall was a safe pick? Kevin King was a safe pick?

The hell are y'all smoking?

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Well these jokers keep bringing up "Antonio Brown" so im trying to give it to them with Callaway but im sure there still trying to find picks to mainline into the defense.

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If Callaway can right the ship with his off-field antics, he's easily a top 5 wide receiver in this draft. I do kind of hope we take a chance on him in the later rounds, he could be study.

 

[GleefulGary]

Im not gonna go back 23 pages and pull it all up. Nobody used the phrase the "safest defensive player" but there is an obvious tendancy that after player by player getting crossed off the list because they most likely wont be there at 14 the sum result is to go to the next defensive player available. Its pretty plain an obvious.

It appears to me that nobody or maybe a select few are concerned about the offense. Everyone has become so spoiled that we can just line anybody up and Rodgers will turn chicken **** into chicken salad. This is a very dangerous line to walk. When is the last time we drafted an offensive player in the 1st round?

Most people here just think there's better defensive talent compared to offensive talent where we're drafting. I know that doesn't fit your argument, but it's the truth.

There have been multiple people say they're fine drafting a WR at 14, they just don't think there's one good enough. This isn't difficult, Brandon.

 

[GleefulGary]

If Callaway can right the ship with his off-field antics, he's easily a top 5 wide receiver in this draft. I do kind of hope we take a chance on him in the later rounds, he could be study.

Ahem*

Had the Packers taking him in the 4th round in my latest mock. I should probably post that bad boy.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Most people here just think there's better defensive talent compared to offensive talent where we're drafting. I know that doesn't fit your argument, but it's the truth.

There have been multiple people say they're fine drafting a WR at 14, they just don't think there's one good enough. This isn't difficult, Brandon.

This is exactly it, there's no real top end talent at the wide receiver position this year. It's deep at the position for sure, but it's not top heavy where you have prospects everyone knows are going to be studs. It's mostly full of #2 wide outs.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Kenny Clark was a safe pick? Damarious Randall was a safe pick? Kevin King was a safe pick?

The hell are y'all smoking?

Just smoking the truth, straight up, and unfiltered brah.

 

[Dantés]

Im not gonna go back 23 pages and pull it all up. Nobody used the phrase the "safest defensive player" but there is an obvious tendancy that after player by player getting crossed off the list because they most likely wont be there at 14 the sum result is to go to the next defensive player available. Its pretty plain an obvious.

It appears to me that nobody or maybe a select few are concerned about the offense. Everyone has become so spoiled that we can just line anybody up and Rodgers will turn chicken **** into chicken salad. This is a very dangerous line to walk. When is the last time we drafted an offensive player in the 1st round?

I am sure that such people do exist... that think we must draft defense no matter what because Rodgers doesn't not help. However, those people are few and far between. They certainly aren't the people you're talking to now. And to just assign that motivation to everyone who disagrees with you about Sutton makes you a troll, no different from our friend @Mike McCarthy here. For the record, I have argued with such people on this board-- posters that said we should let Adams walk because Rodgers can get by with anyone. That's stupid.

I'm not sure how many more times I'm going to try to explain this, but once again... I am not opposed to drafting offensive help with our first pick. I would take Barkley at #14. I would really take Nelson at #14. I. Just. Don't. Think. Other. Offensive. Players. Are. As. Good. As. The. Defensive. Prospects. At. The. Top. Of. This. Class.

And this is not an unusual opinion in this class! Excluding the QB's and Nelson/Barkley:

Jeremiah's top offensive player is Guice at #17. Sutton outside of his top 50.

Zierlein has Ridley at #7 and after that the next offensive guy is Ronald Jones at #14. Sutton at #56.

Brugler has Ridley at #10 and after that the next offensive guy is Ronald Jones at #17. Sutton at #43.

The top of PFF's board is heavily defensive. Sutton at #31.

This does NOT mean that they're necessarily right about Sutton or the class in general (I actually think they're generally too low on him!). I understand that there are guys like the new CBS crew that love Sutton a lot and rate him high (5th?). But I just tend to agree with these guys and am familiar with them (I have no idea who the CBS guys are). What this DOES mean is that it's a pretty normal assessment of this class that, after Barkley, Nelson, and the QB's, it favors defense at the top. So naturally most people are going to like the defensive prospects. It's silly for you to assign ulterior motives or act aghast when people express a pretty common opinion about this class.

If you want to do that, that's fine. I'll just put you back on ignore and you can pitch all the fits you want. But if you'd like to actually have conversations, you should understand this.

 

[brandon2348]

Most people here just think there's better defensive talent compared to offensive talent where we're drafting. I know that doesn't fit your argument, but it's the truth.

It actually does fit it perfectly and That probably holds true. The fact its deeper on the defensive side is all the more reason to strike hard and early on a top WR prospect such as Sutton.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Honestly, I think we should just leave the Sutton topic alone. I can't see this going anywhere or anyone's mind really changing. Let's all just agree to disagree.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Callaway can right the ship with his off-field antics, he's easily a top 5 wide receiver in this draft. I do kind of hope we take a chance on him in the later rounds, he could be study.

Callaway recently became a father, that alone may help him to refocus his attention to football and life. He might be worth a 4th or 5th round pick on, but nothing sooner.

 

[brandon2348]

• Honestly, I think we should just leave the Sutton topic alone. I can't see this going anywhere or anyone's mind really changing. Let's all just agree to disagree.

Here is the deal. I played that route and took the higher ground weeks leading up to the combine when these jokers tried to laugh me out of here that Sutton was a "marginal athlete" and was gonna tank while Ridley was gonna put on some smoke show.

Well guess what? They were wrong and now they have had to seperate themselves from Ridley and have nowhere to go so they talk defensive talent. Im gonna take the higher ground again here and go along with that.