With their 1st Pick in the 2018 NFL Draft the Packers select...

[Dantés]

I’m still salivating on your thought of trading our #14 with the Bills for both of their picks +- a mid rounder. Partly because between #14 and #20 there conceivable could be 2 QBs picked which means we’re only going backwards roughly 5 picks total (depending on someone moving up or not) That’s a brilliant plan.. Not sure it will happen..but it’s brilliant nevertheless. Can you imagine having Harold Landry and Sutton Holding GB Jerseys by pick #22! If that happens you get a virtual free steak dinner on me.

I know the value chart isn't perfect, but if we use it as a guideline it would take out 1st and 2nd to get both of their 1st's.

14 (1100) + 45 (450) = 1550

21 (800) + 22 (780) = 1580

 

[AmishMafia]

I know the value chart isn't perfect, but if we use it as a guideline it would take out 1st and 2nd to get both of their 1st's.

14 (1100) + 45 (450) = 1550

21 (800) + 22 (780) = 1580

What if at #14 the Bills are getting the player they have ranked as #5 on their board? Will they then have to add their 2nd round pick as well? If there is one potential franchise QB left and trading up with the Packers is there only option, the value will be greater than you think.

I’m still salivating on your thought of trading our #14 with the Bills for both of their picks +- a mid rounder. Partly because between #14 and #20 there conceivable could be 2 QBs picked which means we’re only going backwards roughly 5 picks total (depending on someone moving up or not) That’s a brilliant plan.. Not sure it will happen..but it’s brilliant nevertheless. Can you imagine having Harold Landry and Sutton Holding GB Jerseys by pick #22! If that happens you get a virtual free steak dinner on me.

Actually not a Landry fan. Too much of a liability in the run game. Not sure we should go after such a specialist player.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Actually not a Landry fan. Too much of a liability in the run game. Not sure we should go after such a specialist player.

Landry could provide some much needed pass rush for the Packers though. In addition he showed the ability to defend the run at times in college as well, finishing as the fourth best edge defender in that area in 2015.

 

[Dantés]

For me, whether Landry will be worth the risk (given his down year) at #14 will depend on good measurements and great testing at the combine. Medicals are obviously important as well, but we won’t get any more than just rumors as far as that goes.

If I’m taking him over a top tier prospect at another position, he needs to have length and great metrics. Otherwise it’s just not worth the opportunity cost of passing on a Derwin James, Vita Vea, or Calvin Ridley.

 

[GleefulGary]

Landry could provide some much needed pass rush for the Packers though. In addition he showed the ability to defend the run at times in college as well, finishing as the fourth best edge defender in that area in 2015.

Landry isn't a very good run defender.

 

[OldSchool101]

I wouldn't pick Landry at #14 but IF we traded back and had 2 late round picks but guys like Calvin Ridley and Davenport will likely be wearing their prospective teams ballcaps by then, so we're trying to be realistic here. Sutton and Landry are picks that will most likely be around after the first 20 picks are gone, yet will be long gone by our second day pick. I'd also consider Tremaine Edmunds from VTech as a top 25 pick. He looks like a player that's going to transition nicely into the NFL.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If I’m taking him over a top tier prospect at another position, he needs to have length and great metrics. Otherwise it’s just not worth the opportunity cost of passing on a Derwin James, Vita Vea, or Calvin Ridley.

I'm convinced James will be off the board at #14. It's not a given Vea and Calvin end up being better NFL players than Landry.

Landry isn't a very good run defender.

Once again, he excelled at defending the run in 2015. No idea why he struggled in thar area over the past two seasons.

 

[Dantés]

I'm convinced James will be off the board at #14. It's not a given Vea and Calvin end up being better NFL players than Landry.

I don't know who will/won't be there at #14, but a safety that isn't going to be single high at the next level has a real chance to make it regardless of how good he is. He could, of course, be gone, but I don't see why we would assume that. I mean, Earl Thomas made it to #14.

And couldn't anyone end up better than anyone? But the point on Landry is that he has to prove he's an elite athlete and medically cleared to offset concerns over a poor 2017 season. If he's the guy we've seen most recently, he's not anywhere close to the level of prospect of Vea or Ridley. If he's the guy we saw in 2016, he's certainly in that same tier. Thus my own opinion that the jury is solidly out on him.

 

[PackFan2]

I'm convinced James will be off the board at #14. It's not a given Vea and Calvin end up being better NFL players than Landry.



Once again, he excelled at defending the run in 2015. No idea why he struggled in thar area over the past two seasons.

Not a given Landry will end up being better than Vea or Calvin either. We will visit this a year or two. if only if we had a crystal ball.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And couldn't anyone end up better than anyone? But the point on Landry is that he has to prove he's an elite athlete and medically cleared to offset concerns over a poor 2017 season. If he's the guy we've seen most recently, he's not anywhere close to the level of prospect of Vea or Ridley. If he's the guy we saw in 2016, he's certainly in that same tier. Thus my own opinion that the jury is solidly out on him.

While that's true you were the one all but guaranteeing that Vea and Ridley will have a better NFL career than Landry.

 

[Dantés]

While that's true you were the one all but guaranteeing that Vea and Ridley will have a better NFL career than Landry.

I said he needs a great combine to alleviate concerns about a bad 2017 season and thus make himself a worthy alternative to other top prospects that could be available at #14. I don’t know where you got the above.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don’t know where you got the above.

FWIW in my opinion that post indicates that you definitely expect Vea and Ridley to be more successful.

If I’m taking him over a top tier prospect at another position, he needs to have length and great metrics. Otherwise it’s just not worth the opportunity cost of passing on a Derwin James, Vita Vea, or Calvin Ridley.

 

[Dantés]

FWIW in my opinion that post indicates that you definitely expect Vea and Ridley to be more successful.

I definitely view them as better prospects based on 2017. We all know that Landry was down this most recent year. So if he’s going to be in that same conversation with other top tier guys, he needs to demonstrate at the combine that he’s healthy and that he’s a special enough athlete to offset the risk of investing a high pick in a guy coming off a bad year. That’s what I mean.

Generally we would all want to draft players who ascended throughout their college career, especially high in the draft, correct?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I definitely view them as better prospects based on 2017. We all know that Landry was down this most recent year. So if he’s going to be in that same conversation with other top tier guys, he needs to demonstrate at the combine that he’s healthy and that he’s a special enough athlete to offset the risk of investing a high pick in a guy coming off a bad year. That’s what I mean.

Generally we would all want to draft players who ascended throughout their college career, especially high in the draft, correct?

I totally agree that I would prefer the Packers to draft players that have improved over the course of their college careers. As a side note I'm not implicitly advocating for the Packers to draft Landry but consider him to be an intriguing prospect despite struggling last season.

 

[Dantés]

I totally agree that I would prefer the Packers to draft players that have improved over the course of their college careers. As a side note I'm not implicitly advocating for the Packers to draft Landry but consider him to be an intriguing prospect despite struggling last season.

I think we now understand each other.

 

[OldSchool101]

What if at #14 the Bills are getting the player they have ranked as #5 on their board? Will they then have to add their 2nd round pick as well? If there is one potential franchise QB left and trading up with the Packers is there only option, the value will be greater than you think.

Props to you Amish. You basically called this one a week ahead of schedule! If this was a horse race it wasn’t a Trifecta (the exact order of players names in accordance with the pick #) but it would’ve pulled in a nice purse never less

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/...rt-trade-back-and-still-land-impact-defenders

 

[brandon2348]

Vita Vea is a big time reach at 14. He is legitimate run plugger but most likley won't be much of a pass rush threat at the next level. No way do you waste the 14th pick on a run plugger who isn't elite at it. Go watch his tape against legit competition vs Penn State. He got pushed quite a few times. In pass rush situations more often then not he just stands straight up and arm slaps with Lineman creating no push whatsoever. He was okay in pursuit but was far from showing any level of dominance on any single play.

Sure he looks great playing against the Packy 12 but there are serious concerns he will be able to formulate any pass rush at the next level. Don't see the upside here at 14 for a plugger.

Pass at 14.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Vita Vea is a big time reach at 14. He is legitimate run plugger but most likley won't be much of a pass rush threat at the next level. No way do you waste the 14th pick on a run plugger who isn't elite at it. Go watch his tape against legit competition vs Penn State. He got pushed quite a few times. In pass rush situations more often then not he just stands straight up and arm slaps with Lineman creating no push whatsoever. He was okay in pursuit but was far from showing any level of dominance on any single play.

Sure he looks great playing against the Packy 12 but there are serious concerns he will be able to formulate any pass rush at the next level. Don't see the upside here at 14 for a plugger.

Pass at 14.

FWIW according to PFF Vea had the fourth best pass rush grade among interior defenders in college football last season.

 

[Dantés]

FWIW according to PFF Vea had the fourth best pass rush grade among interior defenders in college football last season.

He’s also freakishly quick for such a big man.

 

[brandon2348]

FWIW according to PFF Vea had the fourth best pass rush grade among interior defenders in college football last season.

If you watch the film he tires easily. Forced to take plays off. He needs to lose some weight. Makes no sense to waste a 14th pick on a rotational player at this point.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If you watch the film he tires easily. Forced to take plays off. He needs to lose some weight. Makes no sense to waste a 14th round pick on a rotational player at this point.

I haven't had any time to watch film on this year's prospects but a lot of experts seem to disagree with your take on Vea.

 

[brandon2348]

I haven't had any time to watch film on this year's prospects but a lot of experts seem to disagree with your take on Vea.

I like Taven Bryan and Da'ron Payne way better. Vea isn't a bad prospect. Just not a "special player" so that combined with a DT not being a major need i think you have to pass here. There are other people who feel the way I do about Vea but not gonna take time to list them. If he can't rush the passer and occasionaly split double teams and comes in as a rotatiomal plugger I don't see how you can spend pick 14 on him.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I like Caleb Brantley way better. Vea isn't a bad prospect. Just not a "special player" so that combined with a DT not being a major need i think you have to pass here. There are other people who feel the way I do about Vea but not gonna take time to list them. If he can't rush the passer and occasionaly split double teams and comes in as a rotatiomal plugger I don't see how you can spend pick 14 on him.

Well, according to a lot of experts Vea can rush the passer and split double teams though.

 

[brandon2348]

Well, according to a lot of experts Vea can rush the passer and split double teams though.

And he did do that against Mickey Mouse pac 12 competition and the likes of Rutgers and Idaho. Once again against Penn State he was stone walled and did little if any of those things you mentioned. He was a non-factor. For me the Packers can do better at 14.

Da'ron Payne or Taven Bryan provide better options IMO and I don't like spending pick 14 on DT either way really with all the other holes Packer have.

 

[GleefulGary]

Yeah. The PAC-12 can't compare to facing the mighty competition of North Texas and Arkansas State.