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Dan115
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The Lions fired him. I do not know if he is still coaching.
EDS has been manhandled all PS long, hate to tell you. Lang's hand speed dropped, and it's caused his game to slip a bit, but he and Sitton are still good. Barclay is going to get straight up beat by a lot of guys this year. If only Newhouse wasn't useless.
Am I the only one who thinks blocking as a whole has suffered BECAUSE we're trying to teach run blocking? It aint something that happens overnight, and it's probably a year away. One wonders if the OL coach wants to change the system, why the GM hasn't drafted to change the system, or just replaced the OL coach?
I agree Beightol was great but anyone paying even a little attention knows the ZBS wasn't ever Campen's idea.
That is also on McCarthy. As I and others have posted before, the minute Jags (the only Packers coach who had any experience in the ZBS - I believe he learned it from Alex Gibbs) informed McCarthy he was leaving for a college HC job, IMO McCarthy should have either hired Gibbs as a consultant (if available), hired another OL coach with experience in it, or scrapped it altogether. But the last person I would blame for the ZBS is Campen.Correct - it was all McCarthy's idea. But, Campen has no background in it, therefore has no business coaching it!
Correct - it was all McCarthy's idea. But, Campen has no background in it, therefore has no business coaching it!
The coach I think is doing his job in that department, getting 'em all up to speed mentally on what their job is.
It's up to the players to man up and manhandle the men in front of 'em.
Yet Edgar Bennett who had no history of coaching WRs doesn't get reamed because he has terrific players to coach at wide receiver. Campen knows as much about zone blocking as most in the NFL after coaching in the system for, what, 7 years? Fact is that our offensive line hasn't exactly been blessed with stellar players. Not a single player has moved on from Campen's coaching and done better elsewhere. Giacomini is Seattle's Newhouse so please don't say he's improved. Now, if someone could point out players that were disappointments in Green Bay but then excelled elsewhere then there'd be an argument.
Campen was promoted to OL coach in 2007, the year John Kuhn joined the Packers. Kuhn in his Packers career has converted 20 of 27 attempts on third and 1 or fourth and 1 (74%) and in 2010 he converted 10 of 12 of those opportunities ranking third among NFL backs with at least 10 attempts. Again, I’m not saying Campen is a great coach but I’ve seen you mention this a couple of times and it “forced” me to look up Kuhn’s stats in short yardage.If the Packers offensive line was mentally sufficient and or proficient in providing the requisite knowledge why did we see so many times the Packers fail in short yardage obvious running downs. The Packers are basically horrible in this area and we saw many mental errors by the lineman.
“Irrespective of the talent” is where you go wrong IMO and using the WR group as an example further weakens your argument. Other than Rodgers alone at QB, no group has been infused with more talent than the WR group. Sunshinepacker has made the point a couple of times that we are not seeing OL suddenly succeed after they leave Green Bay: Why do you suppose that is?Bennett has only coached WR for two years while Campen is going on his 7th season as offensive line coach. It really is about the overall competency of the group and production of said group. The line seems to perennial team weakness while the WR group is a strength. 7 years with the same position coach and we are still seeing some huge deficiencies in certain aspects of the offensive line irrespective of the talent that has manned the line. In a couple seasons we will see the true impact Bennett has on the WR's in the way of developing rookies, etc.
Yet Edgar Bennett who had no history of coaching WRs doesn't get reamed because he has terrific players to coach at wide receiver. Campen knows as much about zone blocking as most in the NFL after coaching in the system for, what, 7 years? Fact is that our offensive line hasn't exactly been blessed with stellar players. Not a single player has moved on from Campen's coaching and done better elsewhere. Giacomini is Seattle's Newhouse so please don't say he's improved. Now, if someone could point out players that were disappointments in Green Bay but then excelled elsewhere then there'd be an argument.
So fathom this - the packers line opening up some holes and gashing teams. Pretty soon the D playing them starts to creep up to stop the run and Rodgers cooks them for an 80 yard td pass. That is why balance on offense, ie run and pass, makes the packers so much more lethal on offense. The run will open up the pass. Just passing in the NFL is defensible due to no threat of a running game. The Packers have GOT to start preaching the importance of some semblance of a running game, or they are predictable.That is a very interesting point of view and a very good question.
This is for the most part a passing league, with the exception of a few teams, most of them just don't run the ball as much. Trying to teach run blocking isn't a bad thing and is far from obsolete but we need to be thinking pass protection, not run blocking in terms of where this league is at currently and where it's going to be in the future if this trend holds. Perhaps a system change for the O-Line is the solution as if you look at the Packers offense, we just don't run the ball that much to require that much run blocking.
I shake my head at this issue in its entirety but very good point, HytonGrey.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is I think teaching run blocking may be a wasted effort and our O-Line is suffering because of it if that makes any sense. It's not the teaching of that particular area of football it's that it's a rather futile thing to be focusing on in today's league. This post might bring out the run happy Packers fans I'm sorry if it offends your appreciation for the run game but as an observation, I think they need to be teaching pass protection over run blocking.
I agree Beightol was great but anyone paying even a little attention knows the ZBS wasn't ever Campen's idea.
We won a Superbowl running a ZBS, and we don't cut block.You're right - it wasn't Campen's idea. It doesn't matter. The Broncos of '97 and '98 are the only ZBS-specific team to ever win the Super Bowl and that's only because they had Alex Gibbs who invented it, as their o-line coach. They also got lucky and had the exact perfect linemen to run it. It can't be repeated. It's a junk, garbage philosophy and system and it should be banned - it ruins guy's careers with these cut blocks.
The big thing about the ZBS, is that it's all about this "one cut and go" crap for the running back. What the hell is that??? Running the ball should be purely instinct and should go where the hole or path leads it, regardless of how many damn cuts the back has to take.
Winner!!!!We won a Superbowl running a ZBS, and we don't cut block