Parsons Trade

[Sunshinepacker]

Bears traded for Khalik Mack in 2018 and won seven more games that season. So, based on that completely accurate and unimpeachable analogy, I’m predicting the packers go 18-0 this season over the course of the 17 game regular season (they’ll beat the Bears so bad the Bears will give the Packers one of their wins).

 

[milani]

I really feel like some fans don’t understand how good Parsons is. Also two picks and one player is a far cry from 18 picks and players involved in the Walker trade.

Fans are more caught up in the Cowboys struggles under McCarthy the last 4 seasons although they had the talent to go farther. The Boys could not get by their old enemies in the postseason including us.

 

[Magooch]

Cowboys will be hoping for a big bounce back from him. Last year Clark had a career low in sacks, pressures, TFL, and overall PFF grade

 

[gopkrs]

Looking for a wide body on the waiver wire

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I really feel like some fans don’t understand how good Parsons is. Also two picks and one player is a far cry from 18 picks and players involved in the Walker trade.

I for one know just how good Parsons HAS played in the past. He HAS been a GREAT player. That said, there is no guarantee that you get the same player, nor the same health. Meanwhile, you have locked up a guaranteed ton of cap, as well as mortgaged your draft stock for 2 years. I won't even mention throwing Kenny Clark into the deal, since Kenny could also get hurt or play worse than his last 2 average years.

Set aside the money, the picks, and Kenny Clarke. Had Parson been a Packer all this time and wanted the kind of money they just gave him, I wouldn't have been very excited about it.

 

[tynimiller]

Looking for a wide body on the waiver wire

(Nazir Stackhouse is waving at you)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think this gives us an idea of the Packers long term view of LVN.

 

[milani]

Top-3 defensive player who is only 26 years old...In none of Gute's drafts has he found a player of Parson's caliber (not a shot at Gute, most GMs have not drafted a top-3 defensive player), why is giving up two firsts a bad trade for that level of player? Packers also had a tremendous amount of cap space not being used and with the cap going up every season, in three seasons this deal will seem like he's being underpaid.

Gute may be planning on going a year or so more in GB and then walking himself which could leave a mess for his successor. This is so Un-Thompson like.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Bears traded for Khalik Mack in 2018 and won seven more games that season. So, based on that completely accurate and unimpeachable analogy, I’m predicting the packers go 18-0 this season over the course of the 17 game regular season (they’ll beat the Bears so bad the Bears will give the Packers one of their wins).

Pass that pipe back to Gute, you two have been smoking way too much all day.

 

[Zartan]

If Parsons lives up to the hype we might have the scariest defense we had in decades.

 

[thequick12]

Im gonna be positive and agree with Parsons brothers post from yesterday...Parsons might be the Packers missing piece...im stoked!

I liked Clark but he never really fit Hafleys system

Guess Gute agrees, the only way you get a player like Parsons is draft or trade. He said it after getting McKinney in FA last year. He considered him to be on that elite level and looks like he was right about that

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Gute may be planning on going a year or so more in GB and then walking himself which could leave a mess for his successor. This is so Un-Thompson like.

Yeah, Teddy decided to have a couple of bad drafts years before hanging it up!

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I for one know just how good Parsons HAS played in the past. He HAS been a GREAT player. That said, there is no guarantee that you get the same player, nor the same health. Meanwhile, you have locked up a guaranteed ton of cap, as well as mortgaged your draft stock for 2 years. I won't even mention throwing Kenny Clark into the deal, since Kenny could also get hurt or play worse than his last 2 average years.

Set aside the money, the picks, and Kenny Clarke. Had Parson been a Packer all this time and wanted the kind of money they just gave him, I wouldn't have been very excited about it.

I agree that having so much money tied up in one player is nerve wracking but great players get paid that much and a team needs great players if it wants to win Super Bowls (unless they’re the Eagles who have a GM that seems like he can find all-pros in the draft every year). I just look at Parsons as a player who combines what many hoped Quay and LVN would become. Now the defense can put Edge, Micah, Gary, and LVN on the field at the same time and THAT’Sa defensive group that will scare OCs

 

[milani]

I'm good with that. Clark has been up and down the past 2 seasons and Micah Parsons FAR more likely to be better than whatever those 2 first rounders would have ended up being.

Clark was double teamed most of his career in GB. I recall in 2017 against the Ravens they got away with a chop block and ended his season. Had someone else on the D been a run stopper Kenny would have accomplished more.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree that having so much money tied up in one player is nerve wracking but great players get paid that much and a team needs great players if it wants to win Super Bowls (unless they’re the Eagles who have a GM that seems like he can find all-pros in the draft every year). I just look at Parsons as a player who combines what many hoped Quay and LVN would become. Now the defense can put Edge, Micah, Gary, and LVN on the field at the same time and THAT’Sa defensive group that will scare OCs

I'm in no way "anti-Parsons". I also agree with your positive outlook as too what potentially he could mean for the Packers.

That said, I don't agree with the cost to acquire 1 defensive player, no matter how good he has been in the past.

It's a big balls, big roll by Gute....I hope it pays off. If it doesn't, the Packers and their fans will remember this day.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Has anyone checked on Skip Bayless? I'm sure he's on a suicide watch somewhere.

 

[milani]

You can argue that it’s not a great deal for the Packers*, but it’s almost certainly a BAD deal for the cowboys. We might not have “won” but they certainly lost.
To say nothing of the financials, if you can give two firsts and Clark for Parsons, that’s a deal you make 11 times out of 10.
And a very good team adding a player like Parsons in all likelihood ensures those are late first rounders to begin with.

I hear all the time when people claim that Gute hasn’t drafted many elite impact players in the first - the rebuttal is “well we are usually drafting late in the first when there aren’t many blue chip prospects left” and/or “there are only 15 or so true first round prospects on average in a given draft, so when we’re picking there’s probably not even a first round graded player left. It’s basically line picking early in the second”

Well, good news then. Following that line of logic we basically just gave up two “early seconds” or two “probably not even a first round grade” players

(*I’m not making that argument personally but I guess I can see it)

Agreed. This is a deal Thompson never would have made. Instead he goes after Julius Peppers late in his career for a cool mill or so.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

I'm definitely not happy that you guys got a player of Parsons caliber...... I am happy you had to give up multiple first round picks and pay the amount of money you did because the cap is a factor.
Even though Micah is a few years younger, I believe I look at this very much like the Bears getting Khalil Mack in 2018..... and he was the best defensive player in the NFL that year in my opinion.
But considering what we got out of it, we paid too much and didn't get enough in return, but if you feel youre close, you gotta take your shot.


Even with Caleb being a rookie deal, I wanted Micah......but I also didn't.....
This is why they play the games so let's do this!!!!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Clark was double teamed most of his career in GB. I recall in 2017 against the Ravens they got away with a chop block and ended his season. Had someone else on the D been a run stopper Kenny would have accomplished more.

Yup. I think some forget that Clarks job isn't just to get sacks or make a ton of tackles. His job was to eat up blockers and hold the line, the guys behind him are supposed to have free lanes to make the tackles.

 

[milani]

Has anyone checked on Skip Bayless? I'm sure he's on a suicide watch somewhere.

Now how bout Aikman? He is still a Cowboy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Has anyone checked on Skip Bayless? I'm sure he's on a suicide watch somewhere.

That or he is moving to Green Bay.

 

[Magooch]

Just three years ago the Seahawks traded Russell Wilson and a 4th for two firsts, two seconds, a fifth, Drew Lock, Shelby Harris, and Noah Fant. They gave him a 5 year extension worth 49m per year and 165m guaranteed.

In 2022 the Broncos had the worst scoring offense in the league. In 2023 Russ was benched and ultimately was CUT in March of 2024.

Last year, they finished 9-8 and were the 7th seed in the AFC playoffs. Yes, it’s a big financial commitment/risk, but you can get things turned back around pretty quickly in this league.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Giving up Clark in the deal and absorbing his dead cap now.....WTF is Gute smoking?

This move is absolutely horrible.
2x 1st round picks AND our best Defensive lineman??? With $40 mil dead cap?!
$47 mil a year for 4 years???

And his back is not healthy???
Now we can't keep our young team together.

Parsons is NOT prime JJWatt. Or Reggie White. Wtf is gute thinking??? The odds of this playing out in our favor is from.

We were in unbelievable position before this move. I'm speechless

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Lukas can play inside as well, and the 3 man edge rotation of Micah, Rashan, and LVN is going to make OC's lose a lot of sleep.

I still don't like losing Kenny. High quality individuals and leaders like that don't come often. Micah is kind of a clown. Hopefully the change of scenery and Lombardi focus keep him in check.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I'm amazed there are a handful of folks who think this is bad for Green Bay and Gutey.

This is a landmark day in Packer history.

Allow me to add one more "Holy ----!" and a Go Pack Go!