Packers vs Eagles Game Thread: Ban the Tush Push Edition

[milani]

I predicted 8-9 before the Parsons addition. That should have gotten us to 10-7. But due to the decimating injuries your scenario looks right.

Ya know, it is possible to run the table, too....With 0 wins.

 

[King of Jeans]

We need to have serious conversations about this offense. I think it's a perfect storm of not drafting a receiver for a decade

You do realize it’s 10-7 against the Super Bowl champions. Exactly what would “competing” look like?

Having a competent offense

 

[milani]

Maybe they got it right

Certainly MLF would not have done that.

 

[milani]

See above but the broadcast guys were saying they spoke to McManus and he told them this week was the first week his quad felt healthy (and I believe the specific verbiage was "semi-healthy")

Managerial malpractice the way that situation has been handled.

A few if the kickers we cut in 2023 and 2024 had the leg to kick from that distance, maybe or maybe not on a night like this. But those kickers missed the 36 yarders and PATs even with the powerful leg.

 

[Thirteen Below]

The Eagles are gonna get the tush push banned themselves, always offsides.

Philly does this sh*t on every single tush push and Sirianni has the gall to get upset about one of our guys being 0.5cm ahead and Aikman’s over here saying “now they’re even it’s all the same!”

This is why I think the push will be banned next time someone brings it up for a vote, and thank god it won't be us this time. I think a lot of teams in the league are getting fed up with it, and not necesarily because it works; not just that it's a good idea... it's because it is notoriously prone to being poorly judged by the officials. With the players all bunched up in that tiny space (on both sides of the ball), it's really easy for them to miss encroachment or an early twitch. As we saw tonight, with that egregious jump by their right guard (or left? Sorry, saw several camera angles, can't recall which guard it was).

The very nature of the play's design and execution grant the offense an inherent advantage, because there's a high chance that they'll be able to commit one or more infractions and get away clean. Why wouldn't they run it every 4th and short, or even 3rd and short? They'd have to be total idiots not to.

It's got something like a 97% probability of it converting to 1st down, so it effectively gives Philly a free extra set of downs whenever they've gained 8 or 9 yards on a drive, rather than 10.

It's not like it hasn't been done before. Look at the Mel Blount Rule - Pittsburgh, and Blount, came up with a new way to shut down the other teams' passing attacks, and now defensive backs are strictly limited in how they cover receivers. Of course, the Blount adaptations had the effect of opening up more offense (especially in the passing game), and this measure would favor the defense rather than the beloved offense, but I think at some point there'll be enough teams who are sick and tired of it that the proposal would clear the hurdle. They only fell 2 votes short last time; the next attempt may do it.

 

[milani]

Micah Parsons knows he made a mistake coming here! At least he’s a millionaire!

If he stayed in Dallas the only thing he might enjoy more is the weather in December.

 

[milani]

Maybe they got it right

Who cares about respect or disrespect? It gave us a remote chance and it kept a few more viewers from turning off the TV. Networks love that.

 

[milani]

This is why I think the push will be banned next time someone brings it up for a vote, and thank god it won't be us this time. I think a lot of teams in the league are getting fed up with it, and not necesarily because it works; not just that it's a good idea... it's because it is notoriously prone to being poorly judged by the officials. With the players all bunched up in that tiny space (on both sides of the ball), it's really easy for them to miss encroachment or an early twitch. As we saw tonight, with that egregious jump by their right guard (or left? Sorry, saw several camera angles, can't recall which guard it was).

The very nature of the play's design and execution grant the offense an inherent advantage, because there's a high chance that they'll be able to commit one or more infractions and get away clean. Why wouldn't they run it every 4th and short, or even 3rd and short? They'd have to be total idiots not to.

It's got something like a 97% probability of it converting to 1st down, so it effectively gives Philly a free extra set of downs whenever they've gained 8 or 9 yards on a drive, rather than 10.

It's not like it hasn't been done before. Look at the Mel Blount Rule - Pittsburgh, and Blount, came up with a new way to shut down the other teams' passing attacks, and now defensive backs are strictly limited in how they cover receivers. Of course, the Blount adaptations had the effect of opening up more offense (especially in the passing game), and this measure would favor the defense rather than the beloved offense, but I think at some point there'll be enough teams who are sick and tired of it that the proposal would clear the hurdle. They only fell 2 votes short last time; the next attempt may do it.

The refs need to do a better job of watching for false starts on Tush plays. I believe they miss a good number of them. Maybe you start allowing challenges on them. This is not just about last night. The Eagles made a crucial score against the Chiefs earlier this season which led to a win on a Tush in which replay showed clearly it was a false start. And not even close. A 5 yard penalty changes the 4th down call.

 

[Magooch]

The thing with the Eagles too is that it's often not even movement or leaving early or anything like that....much of the time they will just straight up have the OL lined up ahead of the ball from the get-go. Missing a false start or movement in those tight quarters I can get. But when half the OL is ahead of the ball before it's even snapped and that goes uncalled, that's ridiculous

 

[milani]

The thing with the Eagles too is that it's often not even movement or leaving early or anything like that....much of the time they will just straight up have the OL lined up ahead of the ball from the get-go. Missing a false start or movement in those tight quarters I can get. But when half the OL is ahead of the ball before it's even snapped and that goes uncalled, that's ridiculous

This offseason we will see how the rules fight goes.

 

[Thirteen Below]

See above but the broadcast guys were saying they spoke to McManus and he told them this week was the first week his quad felt healthy (and I believe the specific verbiage was "semi-healthy")

Managerial malpractice the way that situation has been handled.

The Packers’ story about Brandon McManus isn’t lining up

McManus told ESPN that he’s only been “semi-healthy” starting this week, despite Green Bay saying otherwise.

www.acmepackingcompany.com

To make matters worse, this was all predictable. Our own rcon14, who attended the game in person today, said that McManus was short in pre-game from 57 yards out. On three other kicks, he hooked kicks to the left. Just like what we saw against the Eagles.

It’s like everyone can see what’s wrong with the team, other than the coaching staff.

Mic drop.

 

[Heyjoe4]

We need to have serious conversations about this offense. I think it's a perfect storm of not drafting a receiver for a decade


Having a competent offense

Spot on KoJ. It is demoralizing to a defense to only allow 10 points, hold maybe the best back in the NFL to 60 yards, and still lose.

Yes, the offense is out of control. MLF lacks the traits of a leader, the traits necessary to turn around a struggling them, or in this case, a struggling offense. Looking at him along the sideline gives me no confidence, as a fan. So what do his players think?

I don't even know where to start. Love is regressing, but is that on him or on MLF's very predictable play calling. Inb an article in the JS this morning, players noted that the Eagles were calling out the play, before the play, and there were no audible options. WTF is that?

So two things will happen, and each seem equally likely - 1) MLF slowly, but surely, makes changes to the game plan. Defenses stop shouting out the play call before the snap. Aside an excellent defense, the offense improves enough to will close games. 2) Nothing changes on this inept offense. Losses mount, morale drops, and the season, especially after acquiring Parsons, is a disaster.

I believe the first thing will happen. All the offense had to do last night was produce one more TD, or two FGs for a win against the champs. So huge change isn't really needed.

But MLF has made truly bad decisions. Last night it was putting Melton back at receiver. And Love is always good for one or two truly bad plays. Last night he basically ran backwards for an awful, 14-yard loss. As for the fumble, well that's a team failure.

 

[Voyageur]

The Packers’ story about Brandon McManus isn’t lining up

McManus told ESPN that he’s only been “semi-healthy” starting this week, despite Green Bay saying otherwise.

www.acmepackingcompany.com

Mic drop.

I rest my case. For three weeks I've been saying that LeFleur is forcing the issue with McManus and I have no idea what's going on in his head. What happened against the Eagles is pretty much what I expected could happen. We got beat because of poor decision making by both LeFleur and Love. An amazing display of defense by the Packers was destroyed by the ineptness of the offense. The misses by McManus are more on LeFleur than on McManus himself. He knew that he was not ready to return to the job and it's costing us games.

It makes me ask a question about LeFleur. Is it a stubborn attitude? Is it him listening to poor advice from others? Something is definitely off because when someone like me can sit on a couch and see the problems before even the media starts to yap about it, we know that changes need to be made. The problem is that those changes are up to Gute & LeFleur, and I can't see anything changing whatsoever that's significant on the sidelines. It is what it is.

McManus & Jacobs have both blown the whistle on LeFleur's decision making. The frustrations I see with Doubs is because of Love's inability to see the field and make good decisions. The offensive line is makeshift game after game because someone in the organization thinks they can take almost anyone and turn them into a player who can play anywhere on that offensive line, and nothing could be further from the truth.

The Packers could still make the playoffs but as far as going all the way? Not a snowball's chance in that hot place because of the decision making on the part of two people. We can be a good team, but I don't see us becoming king of the hill.

 

[Magooch]

The Packers’ story about Brandon McManus isn’t lining up

McManus told ESPN that he’s only been “semi-healthy” starting this week, despite Green Bay saying otherwise.

www.acmepackingcompany.com

Mic drop.

Was just coming by to mention this same thing!

It's a real mess.

You've got McManus, who by his own admission has NOT been healthy in the past few weeks.

Watching him in previous games, he's obviously rusty and not 100% there.

You don't move either one of McManus or Havrisik at the trade deadline.

You keep Havrisik around but don't dress him.

You don't trust McManus to take long field goals.

You spend the last month telling us that McManus is healthy and good to go.

Who exactly is making the decisions here regarding the kicker???

 

[gopkrs]

He missed the practice one by about 4 yards. Next play Love can throw an out for about four yards but seemed to just throw it away. That completely surprised me. Some will say the receiver was covered but the corner started out so far back I think he could have completed it but really didn't try. I don't know where his head is at times.

 

[milani]

The Packers’ story about Brandon McManus isn’t lining up

McManus told ESPN that he’s only been “semi-healthy” starting this week, despite Green Bay saying otherwise.

www.acmepackingcompany.com

Mic drop.

Then the conclusion of using Luke the last 2 games made absolute sense. Terrible blunder by the team. Definitely affected the Panther game. Could have cost us the Steeler game. And had our offense not tripped on its own feet may have come into play last night.

 

[oompatailgate]

I didn't stay up to watch the PHOOKIN game for I knew the pack would be slack. And as much I am a MFL critic the whole yeam was TERRible - the O line was OFFensive

Now get the the #1 reason?!

I'd rather have an earache , root canal and a procto all at the same time than to listen to those two morons (Joe **** and Fakeman)...PLEASE GOD - no more MNF games ?!? Please?!

 

[Heyjoe4]

I didn't stay up to watch the PHOOKIN game for I knew the pack would be slack. And as much I am a MFL critic the whole yeam was TERRible - the O line was OFFensive

Now get the the #1 reason?!

I'd rather have an earache , root canal and a procto all at the same time than to listen to those two morons (Joe **** and Fakeman)...PLEASE GOD - no more MNF games ?!? Please?!

I'm ok with Joe Buck, but Aikman is insufferable and always has been.

 

[gopkrs]

I think he's improved a lot the past couple years. My guess is he had drinking problems before. No doubt in my mind he was a hall of fame QB and knows what he's talking about when a QB makes a mistake

 

[milani]

I think he's improved a lot the past couple years. My guess is he had drinking problems before. No doubt in my mind he was a hall of fame QB and knows what he's talking about when a QB makes a mistake

Well, we have to realize that these guys are no longer doing the Sunday work. On Monday you become the one and only. Most of the time.

 

[OldSchool101]

Wow the bad thing is the losses GB has had, and even the crappy tie, were winnable games, guess I’ll keep my pancakes for breakfast.

It is a small but silver lining. We’ve been in every game this year. I dare say we are morphing into a Texans like feel.

The good news is we did just enough damage to other teams to keep us alive. I suspect Chicago is about to reset over the next 3-4 weeks. Possibly starting with MN or likely afterwards.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think he's improved a lot the past couple years. My guess is he had drinking problems before. No doubt in my mind he was a hall of fame QB and knows what he's talking about when a QB makes a mistake

Sorry gopkrs, I lost the thread. Which QB are you talking about. Sounds like Favre, maybe?

 

[gopkrs]

We were talking about Troy Aikman and how he does in the booth.

 

[Heyjoe4]

We were talking about Troy Aikman and how he does in the booth.

Gotcha, thanks gopkrs. I didn't know Aikman may have had a drinking problem. Personally, I don't like him. But he certainly earned his way to the HOF, and his color commentary is insightful.

I don't like it when people say that "Color Commentator "XYZ" doesn't like the Packers". It's hard to know if that's true or not. But I really think Aikman dislikes the Packers, and it is subtly reflected in his comments. Non-Packer fans wouldn't notice. And it's not a big deal as he only covers one Packer MNF game each season, aside from the playoffs.

And I guess Aikman's dislike of the Packers is to be expected. The Packers and Cowboys have a looooooong history as rivals, with the capstone being the Ice Bowl. Aikman's Cowboys owned the Pack for a number of years. Favre got the Packers back to regularly beating the Cowboys, and the Packers have mostly had the upper hand since.

 

[gopkrs]

I did not say he had a drinking problem. I said I thought he had one because he was so bad a couple years ago. But I think he is better now. If he dislikes The Pack, I just don't care as long as what he says is accurate. And I think he's doing a good job now. I don't see him as one sided.