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While the Parsons deal seems like it drains us (it definitely does). GB wisely had around $30mil+ in the Cap bank at the time of his arrival to offset our expenditure.
Next season we have 2 key players that can free up Cap space. Elgton Jenkins and Aaron Banks combined show potential of clearing $38Mil off the books with modest $Dead. I’m going off OTC so if they are wrong blame them!
I’d honestly like to see retain Walker, but only within at a ~$11-12annual type number. Anything over that and I’ll help him pack his locker! It’s time to get a better look at Collin Oliver and Hopper, plus adding a good Offball around RD5-6 (McDuffie like)

I think GB should look to get better with both Guards by adding competition. Then shop for a LG to replace Banks in FA that’s worthy of a $10mil type deal. I know this won’t happen because we get stubborn our FA adds

Then I’d strongly consider drafting a Center in RD2-4 at latest and offering Sean a $5m annual type deal at RG. If he walks we’ve got options behind him (Belton etc)

I’d also look for a veteran CB in the
$6-8Mil annual range that has a proven track record at outside CB to compete with Valentine and Nixon.

Ideally I’d go draft
RD2 iDT/OC (might even mini trade up with a 6th or 7th)
RD3 OC/IDL
RD4 WR/CB
RD5 CB/WR
RD6 LB
RD7 (trade up slightly in RD2-3)
RD7 blocking TE/ Teams

We can have better play than this at both Guard spots and get a Bonafide Center and end the experiment. Let’s get as close to a Kenny type player iDL using a Day2. Then Protecting Love is top priority. FA Guard + Day2 acquisition at Center.

By getting back Kraft and maybe keeping the better of Whyle or Fitz, I like the TE room other than maybe a solid depth Blocking TE.
Get a veteran, perimeter CB to compete for starter <$10mil and add a depth CB mid Day3
 
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While the Parsons deal seems like it drains us (it definitely does). GB wisely had around $30mil+ in the Cap bank at the time of his arrival.
Next season we have 2 key players that can free up Cap space. Elgton Jenkins and Aaron Banks combined show potential of clearing $38Mil off the books with modest $Dead. I’m going off OTC so if they are wrong blame them!
I’d honestly like to see retain Walker, but only within at a ~$11-12annual type number. Anything over that and I’ll help him pack his locker! It’s time to get a better look at Collin Oliver and Hopper, plus adding a good Offball around RD5 (McDuffie like)

I think GB should walk away from both Guards. Then shop for a LG to replace Banks in FA that’s worthy of a $10mil type deal. I know this won’t happen because we get stubborn our FA adds

Then I’d strongly consider drafting a Center in RD2-4 at latest and offering Sean a $5m annual type deal at RG. If he walks we’ve got options behind him (Belton etc)

I’d also look for a veteran CB in the
$6-8Mil annual range that has a proven track record at outside CB to compete with Valentine and Nixon.

Ideally I’d go draft
RD2 iDT/OC (might even mini trade up with a 6th or 7th)
RD3 OC/IDL
RD4 WR/LB
RD5 LB/WR
RD6 DE
RD7 (trade up slightly in RD2-3)
RD7 Teams

We can have better play than this at both Guard spots and get a Bonafide Center and end the experiment. Protecting Love is top priority.
FA + Day2 acquisitions

Banks only saves $4.6M. If you had to make the OTC disclaimer I'd recommend looking elsewhere LOL *They are likely calculating it as a Post June 1st release maybe...but even that won't save that much for 2026. No clue where they're pulling that figure from.

You're confusing me with the statement walk away from both guards....and then saying offering Rhyan $5M for RG.....Rhyan was/is our RG and only playing center due to Jenkins injury. Was the both guards comment pertaining to someone else besides Banks and Rhyan???

I broke down some of the savings in another thread I'll find it and post below:

Veterans facing release/trade....

Elgton Jenkins
- Everyone knows his albatross of a contract in 2026 cannot and will not happen as it is written....could they find a suitor - who knows, VERY doubtful now with injury....but I think if they don't come to agreement, this is a guy they respect him too much to control where he and his family go - and they release him. Rough savings from cut/releasing/trade - $20,000,000

Rashan Gary
- Yup, I think you have to at minimum put him on the list. With LVN illustrating more, having Parsons....but it would be nice to have another clear guy growing....who knows maybe they resign Kingsley at a lower figure and trade Gary due to money reasons....this is not be being a proponent of this, again tough decisions at times have to be made. Rough savings from cut/release/trade - $11,000,000

Aaron Banks -
Crazy I know...but if you know you're not happy with his play....is it worth just cutting ties and saving the $4.5 Million.....some might argue absolutely.

Keisean Nixon - The outside CB experiment started out amazing....then sucked....then was decent...how does he finish the year? the fact we save $5,000,000 if we cut ties has to be weighed in on the decision. If we decide to overhaul this room entirely, might make sense to move him...I'd say good chance you might be able to pick up a late Day3 pick for him out there.

The above four guys total $40,000,000 savings...and we could even do a post June 1st trade deal or cut to spread and save touch more really...That would put us at $50.8 Million in cap space for 2026....

Now do I think all of those happen, no. In truth I think Jenkins is the only one listed above with a greater than 65% chance of happening....but it depends how much Gute wishes to push the chips in as shared early.
 

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I’d also look for a veteran CB in the
$6-8Mil annual range that has a proven track record at outside CB to compete with Valentine and Nixon.

That level currently in the NFL has the likes of Keisean Nixon, Mike Hughes, Darious Williams type guys....of which Nixon is sadly the best.
 
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I would love to hear an honest assessment, from the Packer coaches, of Rashan Gary. If they think that he has peaked and on his way back down, then by all means let him lose after this season. The savings isn't just about next year, it is about the year after as well. In combined salaries, workout/per game roster bonuses, the Packers would save $42M over those 2 years. Yes, if they cut/trade him, they have to deal with the $17.042276M dead cap hit, but since Gary isn't guaranteed a roster bonus on the 3rd day of the 2026 NFL, they can wait to make the move and spread the dead cap hit over 2 seasons.

There wouldn't be a lot of reasons for me to want to keep Gary in 2026. Unless, he has been playing hurt and the coaches think he will be much improved in 2026. I just don't see him getting any better.
 

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I would love to hear an honest assessment, from the Packer coaches, of Rashan Gary. If they think that he has peaked and on his way back down, then by all means let him lose after this season. The savings isn't just about next year, it is about the year after as well. In combined salaries, workout/per game roster bonuses, the Packers would save $42M over those 2 years. Yes, if they cut/trade him, they have to deal with the $17.042276M dead cap hit, but since Gary isn't guaranteed a roster bonus on the 3rd day of the 2026 NFL, they can wait to make the move and spread the dead cap hit over 2 seasons.

There wouldn't be a lot of reasons for me to want to keep Gary in 2026. Unless, he has been playing hurt and the coaches think he will be much improved in 2026. I just don't see him getting any better.

I've been fighting to use my organizational contact that has given me some insights in the manner of asking about Gary.....I will say in our few correspondances of late, it has never hinted at Gary. He did confirm Jacobs has been essentially playing on one leg most of the year....so I kinda wanted to ask him if Gary is also hurt?

The quietness surrounding him and his performances kinda feels like when we witnessed Preston starting to slow down...but I'll be honest I don't even think Preston slowed down as fast as Gary seems to have hit a wall....which is why I cannot help but wonder if he is infact hurt?

If we don't ask him for a paycut and don't release him either clean or Post June 1.....I pray to God it is because they know something we don't know and he hasn't been healthy. It's the only excuse. He has no juice left and he literally appears to have sand in his lower half if in pursuit or trying to close a distance.

The worst part is the timing with Parsons' injury coupled with Gary hitting a wall...

Cutting Gary frees up $11M next year immediately...that could easily likely be used to keep Kingsley around...mix in LVN growth he has been pounding out of late and you hope Sorrell, Cox, Oliver and other additions hold serve till P is back.
 
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I swear that writers get their material from this forum! Seems too much of a coincidence that we are all kicking around ideas and within a day or 2, the internet is cranking out those talking points.

 

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I swear that writers get their material from this forum! Seems too much of a coincidence that we are all kicking around ideas and within a day or 2, the internet is cranking out those talking points.

Man, I had a similar thought yesterday. I read this article and thought to myself, "What the heck, I have personally typed out the majority of these points nearly verbatim in the last few weeks" :D

- Ed Policy's approach and not wanting lame-duck contracts
- LaFleur's record post-Rodgers
- LaFleur's overall postseason record
- Gap since last divisional championship
- Coaches winning Super Bowl after 7+ seasons with an organization (Madden, Stram, Landry, Cowher)
- Games missed due to injury (they even cited the same source lol)
 

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I swear that writers get their material from this forum! Seems too much of a coincidence that we are all kicking around ideas and within a day or 2, the internet is cranking out those talking points.


AI mining and generation of stories. I've already confirmed once that this occurr... Same reason countless pages don't have a clue of anything and are generating DUMB **** like Green Bay facing onsaught of 16 Free Agents....having zero clue that Wyatt isn't going to be because fifth year option...zero knowledge of differences of RFA, ERFA and UFA
 

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Rather damning statistic I just read per Matt Schneidman... there were 325 players in the league who recorded at least 1/2 sack from Weeks 9-18.

Rashan Gary....was not one of them.

For all the "advanced metrics" I would be shocked if he is not cut and tbh is probably playing his way into a "prove it deal" with whoever decides to pick him up.
 
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Rather damning statistic I just read per Matt Schneidman... there were 325 players in the league who recorded at least 1/2 sack from Weeks 9-18.

Rashan Gary....was not one of them.

For all the "advanced metrics" I would be shocked if he is not cut and tbh is probably playing his way into a "prove it deal" with whoever decides to pick him up.

Unless Gary goes crazy in the next 4 games and looks like the 2nd coming of ....Gary, he will be a big topic of discussion for Gute and the Packers in the offseason. The good news, Gary doesn't have any automatic guarantees in March. His next guarantee is a $700K workout bonus. So the Packers can take some time with deciding what to do.

Honestly, I am fine with cutting him lose and spreading his $17M dead cap over the next 2 seasons. I am also fine with sitting him down and saying "We are planning on cutting you, unless you agree to a 2 year extension, that brings your salary down to $5M/season." While that still won't erase the dead cap, it will make the yearly cap hit more reasonable.

I think which path the Packers take, will depend A LOT on what they think of and do with Enagbare, LVN and Cox.
 
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If you had to make the OTC disclaimer I'd recommend looking elsewhere LOL *They are likely calculating it as a Post June 1st release maybe...but even that won't save that much for 2026. No clue where they're pulling that figure from.
Yes. When I make monetary statement I back it with a source. Now if common sources are wrong (I try to be transparent and I often look to OTC or Spotrac as well as other reliable articles to check the source math) then that argument is with those sources if they are all wrong. Are you claiming those are both unreliable sources? If so, which sources would you recommend or are you getting your figures from that show these to be unreliable?
Maybe you’ve got a better source, but you didn’t offer any explanation other than “don’t believe those sources”. I’d recommend citing the sources that are better if these aren’t trusted etc. I’d seriously want to know which ones you find more trustworthy.
You're confusing me with the statement walk away from both guards....and then saying offering Rhyan $5M for RG.....Rhyan was/is our RG and only playing center due to Jenkins injury. Was the both guards comment pertaining to someone else besides Banks and Rhyan???
Ok I can see where that might sound confusion. Actually my first thought is Rhyan is very C-C+ grade RG imo.
He’s not irreplaceable, but there is added value to keeping the incumbent. We’ve only got so many Cap $$ to go around and I recognize that in the background, you can’t upgrade every position. It’s unlikely Sean stays for $5mil area and that’s totally fine. Sometimes you ask and you get also or get in that neighborhood. Ino looking around the league and FA acquisition options, im 60% sure we can find a RG for under <$10Mil annual that an upgrade over Sean. So no reason to flirt with overspending on Sean Rhyan is my point. I’d plan on moving on unless he’s a bargain contract.

PS. I would’ve done similar with Eric Wilson and I couldn’t believe we let him go for peanuts. If he’s not in our ideal future plans fine, maybe still offer him a bargain basement contract to stay put. Instead we are paying McDuffie $1.6mil annual more for less results. We likely could’ve kept Wilson around $2.5mil yearly.
 
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Yes. When I make monetary statement I back it with a source. Now if common sources are wrong (I try to be transparent and I often look to OTC or Spotrac as well as other reliable articles to check the source math) then that argument is with those sources if they are all wrong. Are you claiming those are both unreliable sources? If so, which sources would you recommend or are you getting your figures from that show these to be unreliable?
Maybe you’ve got a better source, but you didn’t offer any explanation other than “don’t believe those sources”. I’d recommend citing the sources that are better if these aren’t trusted etc. I’d seriously want to know which ones you find more trustworthy.

Ok I can see where that might sound confusion. Actually my first thought is Rhyan is very C-C+ grade RG imo.
He’s not irreplaceable, but there is added value to keeping the incumbent. We’gr only got so many Cap $$ to go around and I recognize that in the background you can’t upgrade every position. It’s unlikely Sean stays for $5mil area and that’s totally fine. Sometimes you ask and you get also or get in that neighborhood. Ino looking around the league and FA acquisition options, im 60% sure we can find a RG for under <$10Mil annual that an upgrade over Sean. So no reason to flirt with overspending on Sean Rhyan is my point. I’d plan on moving on unless he’s a bargain contract.

The contract stuff, I think OTC is just flat wrong, because they seemed to report same structure as Spotrac, but somehow magically have cutting Banks at some crazy high savings. I think what OTC made the mistake on is somehow making it automatically calculate a post june 1st savings BUT that still seems off unless every site I can find a Banks contract breakdown is wrong. I suspect as the new off season arrives OTC and such will start cleansing everything and we could see this shift to correct numbers.

On Rhyan I'm in the same boat as you in thoughts of him. I'd prefer he be first man up in reserve at Center or RG and likley be "okay" relatively if we entered 2026 and he had to be the starter so long as rest of line was good and most importantly consistent. I could see the world where Rhyan doesn't get offered actual starter monies...GB offers him say a two or three year deal that puts a decent chunk in his pocket initially but not a ton of guaranteed after a year. Basically if he plays well and starter worthy the team would let him play out his contract at the elevated second and third year...but if not it is a clear cut and save.
 

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I read this board often, so I wanted to check in with people more knowledgeable about the cap. The OP article was excellent, but the writer seems certain we will have basically no cap space to sign FAs based of the posts in the comment section. Others have already called it out and I agree, that doesn't seem to be the case. My math is below using Spotrac as the source.

2026 Adjusted Salary Cap: $312.2M
- Salary Cap: $304.3M
- 2025 Rollover: $7.9M (not sure if this is an estimate or a firm number)
2026 Total Allocations: $332.7M
- Active Roster: $300M
- Dead Money: $17.2M
- Draft Pick Cap Hold: $8.7M (It states the Cap Hit for Top 51 is only $1.7M. This seems low so I used the higher number.)
- Practice Squad Cap Hold: $2M (current PS price is $1.7M total so I bumped that up a bit)
- Injury Replacement Hold: $5M (some cushion for injury replacements
2026 Cap Space: -$20.5M

Savings Opportunities:

- Diggs: $15.5M (Included in the above allocation. If he is back, it will be at a reduced price. He's not included in the OP article anyway. My guess is that the writer didn't realize Diggs contract might have been included in his 2026 cap calc?)
- Jenkins: $20M
- Gary: $11M (may or may not be cut/traded. I believe he will be cut unless there are significant lingering injuries that should be better next year that we don't know about.)
- Nixon: $5M (Not a fan of Nixon but I don't think $5M is worth cutting him given the rest of the CB room)
- Banks: $4.5M (this seems unlikely imo but wanted to add it)
- McDuffie: $3.7M (don't think I've seen this mentioned but seems like a possibility)

Updated 2026 Cap Space: $10.5M to $34.2M+
- Removing Diggs ($15.5M) and Jenkins ($20M) gets us to $302.7M (even if we bring back Diggs it will be for less)
- There is ability to generate an additional $24.2M by cutting any combo of Gary, Nixon, Banks, McDuffie
- Additional space could be added by restructures if it makes sense
- This total includes all draft picks, PS, and an injury fund
- Available cap could be eaten up quickly if we retain any combo of Walker, Rhyan, Diggs so maybe I missed those assumptions the writer made

I'm not trying to get an exact number but just a gut check on where things could land. I get pretty confused by the NFL cap and it seems hard to find a source of truth on this stuff as different sites often have contradicting info. I wanted to run this by the board to see if there are any obvious issues. Let me know if something is off.
 
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I read this board often, so I wanted to check in with people more knowledgeable about the cap. The OP article was excellent, but the writer seems certain we will have basically no cap space to sign FAs based of the posts in the comment section. Others have already called it out and I agree, that doesn't seem to be the case. My math is below using Spotrac as the source.

Honestly, it is far too early to try and determine how much cap space the Packers will or won't have to sign free agents. All sorts of moves between now and Free Agency will shift the cap up and down. Players will be cut, resigned, restructured, etc.

Just my opinion, but I doubt that Gute will go into Free Agency with no "money" to spend.
 

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Agree. Not trying to figure out the exact figure but some quick napkin math seems like we should be fine to add more than min contracts if we choose to. Seems pretty straightforward to me but again, the NFL cap and contract structures seem to have more nuance and wiggle room than NBA/MLB so I wanted to see if I was off base with my high-level assumptions. I pretty much agreed with the writer on everything else so I thought I might be missing something on this point.
 

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Agree. Not trying to figure out the exact figure but some quick napkin math seems like we should be fine to add more than min contracts if we choose to. Seems pretty straightforward to me but again, the NFL cap and contract structures seem to have more nuance and wiggle room than NBA/MLB so I wanted to see if I was off base with my high-level assumptions. I pretty much agreed with the writer on everything else so I thought I might be missing something on this point.

With relative ease Gute/Ball could be in the $40M space ballpark...with one or two restructures likely $50M without doing a ton of void pushing even at all.
 

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With relative ease Gute/Ball could be in the $40M space ballpark...with one or two restructures likely $50M without doing a ton of void pushing even at all.
Sounds good. Now all they have to do is actually pick good players. Maybe watch tape really closely for a start.
 

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I think I mentioned it a week or two ago but at that time I saw Ken Ingalls had crunched the numbers and after all "likely" releases/restructures, draft picks, practice squad/futures, ERFAs, and "basic roster maintenance" was accounted for, he arrived at a figure of having just roughly ~10m (or in that ballpark) of "effective" cap space.

As far as I can tell Ken seems to know the Packers' cap situation better than just about anyone outside of Russ Ball maybe. So I'm curious as to how folks are arriving at such wildly different numbers...

And don't get me wrong. That's not a call-out or saying anyone (either direction) is wrong. I am pretty much a novice with all that and can't say one way or the other.... just wondering the math, methodology, philosophy, etc that ends up with those conclusions being pretty far apart, ya know?
 

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Sounds good. Now all they have to do is actually pick good players. Maybe watch tape really closely for a start.

Recency bias tells one Gute is terrible at FA acquisition, but his entire time here proves otherwise. I still fully have faith in him and staff assigned with this task.
 
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NFL cap and contract structures seem to have more nuance and wiggle room than NBA/MLB

Now I have to admit, I haven't dove very deep into the NBA or MLB cap structures, mainly because I don't follow either sport closely enough. More importantly, neither sport has a strict cap limit, so for me, that is way more confusing than the NFL's cap system.

The basics for NFL cap is pretty "simple". Look at total guaranteed money, also known as dead cap. Look at 2 different aspects of it. Money already guaranteed/earned by a contract, but not yet reported on any seasons cap. Money about to be guaranteed by something in the contract. That something could be workout/roster bonuses, or salary. With all of those items, look at the date such guaranteed money becomes just that, guaranteed. Obviously, you have to do this for each player, past and present.

I'm probably making it sound simpler than it is, but the bottom line is that the NFL has a hard cap for each season and all money that is contractually guaranteed or paid out to players, needs to be accounted for at some point in time during that season or in future seasons.
 

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Recency bias tells one Gute is terrible at FA acquisition, but his entire time here proves otherwise. I still fully have faith in him and staff assigned with this task.
Without the extreme time and effort that it would take to compare him to every GM, I would guess Gute is right around league average. Definitely more active than his predecessor. Like most, he has some hits and he has some misses.

I think many of Gute’s signings (not the most recent, obviously), look highly impactful at first and then quickly fade after a year or a couple years.

Amos, Preston and Z, they all fall into that category. Campbell and Turner.

Jacobs and McKinney kind of look like they’re falling along that same pattern.
 

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I think I mentioned it a week or two ago but at that time I saw Ken Ingalls had crunched the numbers and after all "likely" releases/restructures, draft picks, practice squad/futures, ERFAs, and "basic roster maintenance" was accounted for, he arrived at a figure of having just roughly ~10m (or in that ballpark) of "effective" cap space.

As far as I can tell Ken seems to know the Packers' cap situation better than just about anyone outside of Russ Ball maybe. So I'm curious as to how folks are arriving at such wildly different numbers...
I also came to ~$10M assuming "likely" moves (Diggs & Jenkins). The other contracts listed could move the cap up to ~$34M. From there we could also restructure contracts but there are a lot of variables there if we choose to do it. Restructures can kick the can down the road and result in dead money in later years. Unless they are trying to reduce a contract rather than cut the player, the team would need good reason to do it, like we did in Rodgers final years when we made a big push.
 

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Now I have to admit, I haven't dove very deep into the NBA or MLB cap structures, mainly because I don't follow either sport closely enough. More importantly, neither sport has a strict cap limit, so for me, that is way more confusing than the NFL's cap system.

The basics for NFL cap is pretty "simple". Look at total guaranteed money, also known as dead cap. Look at 2 different aspects of it. Money already guaranteed/earned by a contract, but not yet reported on any seasons cap. Money about to be guaranteed by something in the contract. That something could be workout/roster bonuses, or salary. With all of those items, look at the date such guaranteed money becomes just that, guaranteed. Obviously, you have to do this for each player, past and present.

I'm probably making it sound simpler than it is, but the bottom line is that the NFL has a hard cap for each season and all money that is contractually guaranteed or paid out to players, needs to be accounted for at some point in time during that season or in future seasons.
The new NBA CBA is complicated for making trades and figuring out penalties for being over certain salary thresholds, but the contracts themselves are really straight forward and you can't pull off any "cap magic" to restructure them. You can only negotiate a buy out or stretch the contract like the Bucks did with Dame.

MLB has a pretty complicated salary progression with Arbitration and service time. Players typically hit FA after 6 years of service time. But again, once you figure that out, outside of deferring money and options, contracts are pretty straight forward and aren't restructured to create space.

In the NFL there are all these avenues to create cap space that are pretty complicated. When a trade or extension is made, it is always really hard to find a consensus on how it will impact a team's cap. When NBA/MLB trades and contracts it is really easy to find out what the implications are and there is a consensus from reporters almost immediately. That is kind of what I mean.
 
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The contract stuff, I think OTC is just flat wrong, because they seemed to report same structure as Spotrac, but somehow magically have cutting Banks at some crazy high savings. I think what OTC made the mistake on is somehow making it automatically calculate a post june 1st savings BUT that still seems off unless every site I can find a Banks contract breakdown is wrong. I suspect as the new off season arrives OTC and such will start cleansing everything and we could see this shift to correct numbers.

On Rhyan I'm in the same boat as you in thoughts of him. I'd prefer he be first man up in reserve at Center or RG and likley be "okay" relatively if we entered 2026 and he had to be the starter so long as rest of line was good and most importantly consistent. I could see the world where Rhyan doesn't get offered actual starter monies...GB offers him say a two or three year deal that puts a decent chunk in his pocket initially but not a ton of guaranteed after a year. Basically if he plays well and starter worthy the team would let him play out his contract at the elevated second and third year...but if not it is a clear cut and save.
Ok so some information I’m reading on Banks etc. While it is true cutting him saves $4.6Mil etc. The post Jun figure is correct on the freeing up $18-19mil. Unfortunately his remaining guaranteed gets spread into 2027 cap.
So their figures are actually correct but we’d have to eat an additional call it $13Mil area the following season if that makes sense.

I have no big issue with Rhyan. I think he’s starter level but just not going to take us to another level. It’s about the $$ for me.
 
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