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[Heyjoe4]

Guess it depends what you mean by sure thing. All three of those I envision will easily get third round grades, and I'd even place a bet a second RB will be off the table in the top 40

Most of this draft is sadly not elite but deep. I right now (EARLY) only have 14 first round graded guys total. Lot of Day2 types

Wow that is a pretty weak draft, at the “impact” level.

That might keep the Bears from beefing up their D, at least in the draft. The Bears are the real thing, almost. CW needs to complete more passes. I expect he will.

If they significantly improve their D, they’ll be a very tough out.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I bet they keey Rhyan as well.

Maybe they think Banks' injury hindered him. It'll be interesting to see.

I am very happy having Morgan and Tom ( hopefully healthy) as the tackles, and excited to see Belton grow ( figuratively, not weight wise lol)

Well said. It’s taken two seasons, but Morgan should excel at LT.

Worried about Tom. Patellar tendon injuries are tough. Sounds like it was a partial tear and fixable. Hope so.

Not sure about LG and C. Belton had a good season and will improve.

 

[tynimiller]

Wow that is a pretty weak draft, at the “impact” level.

That might keep the Bears from beefing up their D, at least in the draft. The Bears are the real thing, almost. CW needs to complete more passes. I expect he will.

If they significantly improve their D, they’ll be a very tough out.

Honestly I would have to look back but I think the most I’ve had first round grades on was 24 or 22

It doesn’t mean the class will be weak or is even weaker overall.

 

[AKCheese]

And in year 3 really of this regime or version of the team. I don't think enough people realize the chaos/mess he inherited and ressurected the latter years of Rodgers being here without missing a beat and using an aging team that just won 6 games. Then he and Gute grab Love before many felt, squelched that turmoil and still won and played in the dance...and then in 2023 give Love the reigns and go on a second half tear that was incredible...

This team assembled in 2025 absolutely was not a worse team than 2024. Anyone that thinks that is purely avoiding the truth and blindly looking at just the win column blindly.

Easy to do from a barstool

 

[OldSchool101]

I think if anything he'd trade down for more picks, unless there is someone he really wants to get in round 1. Gluten has had a lot of success drafting in rounds 4-7.

Yes. Particularly that RD4area. I’d rather trade back in RD3 using our 84 to early 4th Round and get a pair

I had a New England offer in a mock.

They offered

Packers #84, #236

For

New England #95, #131
I took Texas Longhorns CB, Malik Mohammed and Utah LB Lander Barton assuming Quay was gone. I feel really good about at minimum 1 of those 2 guys being an early contributor. Similar to how Evan Williams was there at #111 overall, CB bring thick is going to shift a few CB’s deeper than they should be. It’s a great draft at CB thick in the RD3-5 area.

In the interactive I asked for their acquired (Saints) 2027 6th RD swap for our 2027 7th and got it also. That was a pretty realistic type trade. Some sites are kinda crazy on trade collateral.

 

[AKCheese]

Wow that is a pretty weak draft, at the “impact” level.

That might keep the Bears from beefing up their D, at least in the draft. The Bears are the real thing, almost. CW needs to complete more passes. I expect he will.

If they significantly improve their D, they’ll be a very tough out.

The NFL is full of tough outs. The Division winners averaged 5+ losses. I think that if healthy any of the playoff teams except probably Carolina, Pittsburg and Chicago could have made a run… and yes I count us in that group. That’s the way it’s going to be. Who’s healthy and playing well come January.

 

[tynimiller]

The NFL is full of tough outs. The Division winners averaged 5+ losses. I think that if healthy any of the playoff teams except probably Carolina, Pittsburg and Chicago could have made a run… and yes I count us in that group. That’s the way it’s going to be. Who’s healthy and playing well come January.

Yup.....just look at the NFL list of teams with players on IR salary wise and you won't be shocked to learn the teams that went the deepest in the playoffs are collectively the healthiest. Only 4 teams out of the top 10 healthiest made the playoffs. Only two teams outside the Top 13 made it....

Healthiest Teams of note:
#1 - Seattle...in the Super Bowl
#2 - Philly...Made playoffs and lost to Niners
#3 - Rams...Made it to the NFCCG
#4 - NE...In the Super Bowl
#5 - Panthers...made massive push second half and hung on to a playoff spot
#6 - Denver....Nix doesn't go down good chance might be dancing in Super Bowl. Made it to AFCCG

Playoff Teams and their rank (#1 being healthiest)

AFC
New England - #4
Denver - #6
Jaguars - #7
Pittsburg - #8
Bills - #12
Texans - #13
Chargers - #18

NFC
Seattle - #1
Philly - #2
Rams - #3
Panthers - #5
Chicago - #11
Niners - #27
Packers - #28

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[tynimiller]

And the crazy thing is.....that doesn't even include Zach Tom who missed some pivotal games.

 

[rmontro]

Playoff Teams and their rank (#1 being healthiest)

AFC
New England - #4
Denver - #6
Jaguars - #7
Pittsburg - #8
Bills - #12
Texans - #13
Chargers - #18

NFC
Seattle - #1
Philly - #2
Rams - #3
Panthers - #5
Chicago - #11
Niners - #27
Packers - #28

Interesting list, we were the unhealthiest team to make the playoffs. You have to wonder if it's just bad luck or if there's some reason for it. I'd like see these stats over say, the last 10 years or so.

 

[tynimiller]

Interesting list, we were the unhealthiest team to make the playoffs. You have to wonder if it's just bad luck or if there's some reason for it. I'd like see these stats over say, the last 10 years or so.

I'm working on finding it. OTC makes it tough to grab historical stuff. I might message them as I also want to see this.
Talk about an excellent way to make a case for how well a HC is doing if they're say past 15th on this list but continue to make the playoffs...you're in unprecedented territory.

I'd also be curious to see dead money.....think back to the year we played with like 50M dead on rodgers contract still hitting us.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yup.....just look at the NFL list of teams with players on IR salary wise and you won't be shocked to learn the teams that went the deepest in the playoffs are collectively the healthiest. Only 4 teams out of the top 10 healthiest made the playoffs. Only two teams outside the Top 13 made it....

Healthiest Teams of note:
#1 - Seattle...in the Super Bowl
#2 - Philly...Made playoffs and lost to Niners
#3 - Rams...Made it to the NFCCG
#4 - NE...In the Super Bowl
#5 - Panthers...made massive push second half and hung on to a playoff spot
#6 - Denver....Nix doesn't go down good chance might be dancing in Super Bowl. Made it to AFCCG

Playoff Teams and their rank (#1 being healthiest)

AFC
New England - #4
Denver - #6
Jaguars - #7
Pittsburg - #8
Bills - #12
Texans - #13
Chargers - #18

NFC
Seattle - #1
Philly - #2
Rams - #3
Panthers - #5
Chicago - #11
Niners - #27
Packers - #28

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It’s remarkable what the Packers and 49ers where able to do with such crucial injuries.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm working on finding it. OTC makes it tough to grab historical stuff. I might message them as I also want to see this.
Talk about an excellent way to make a case for how well a HC is doing if they're say past 15th on this list but continue to make the playoffs...you're in unprecedented territory.

It’s pretty shocking because we know there’s a very direct correlation between injury and a teams effectiveness.

I’d like to see it by how many games missed. I say that because it’s one thing to be out 4-6 weeks. It’s another level of bad to injure in Week 1-3 and to go season ending or miss 14-16 games etc.

That or another twist. A player goes on IR week 17. Meaning they could potentially count their entire salary but only really missed 2 contests etc.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Banks is the guy I'd least want to keep, he was terrible. I'd rather give Elgton a chance back at G ( if his medicals are fine)

Agree. If Gluten can get Jenkins signed on a cap friendly deal it could work. He has been injured a lot it seems.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Honestly I would have to look back but I think the most I’ve had first round grades on was 24 or 22

It doesn’t mean the class will be weak or is even weaker overall.

Maybe it’s just the 1st round where talent doesn’t represent value.

Gluten has found good value in later rounds. So this year, it seems not having a late 1st round pick is not a huge problem.

From the limited mocks I’ve seen, there should be good players at DT and CB who represent fair value, as hard as that is to determine until 2, 3 years have passed

I’m more interested in the first wave of FAs, and if a solid player is available at DT and CB.

 

[gopkrs]

Agree. If Gluten can get Jenkins signed on a cap friendly deal it could work. He has been injured a lot it seems.

I guess I'd like to see Gute admit his errors. He probably can't do much with Banks because of his contract. But he doesn't have to be a starter. I don't like the idea of bringing back Jenkins but I would like to look for a starting guard. Maybe in the draft. We should imho, draft two bonafide guards. Not guards who we hope can also play tackle. We have two guard spots waiting for them. It sure would be a home run.I have to admit that I want a center too. Probably a guard and a center if there is one.

 

[OldSchool101]

I guess I'd like to see Gute admit his errors. He probably can't do much with Banks because of his contract. But he doesn't have to be a starter. I don't like the idea of bringing back Jenkins but I would like to look for a starting guard. Maybe in the draft. We should imho, draft two bonafide guards. Not guards who we hope can also play tackle. We have two guard spots waiting for them. It sure would be a home run.I have to admit that I want a center too. Probably a guard and a center if there is one.

Hey @gopkrs
I agree with that remark as it seems Banks contract is going to keep him in Green Bay for at least the 2026 season.
From a recent interview this last week Gutey insinuated he’s looking forward to see what Banks can accomplish in year 2. So I think that all but confirms 1st hand Banks remains here.

Lastly, I have been critical of Banks but I also can’t erase Brian remarking on how they thought Aaron’s tape showed improvement once he worked through his injury. Not in exact words but he said something to that effect. Now I don’t know to discern if that’s ground cover for a mistake or is that truthful evaluation without his own subjectivity involved? My gut tells me he’s caliber of what I’d call a + Starter. Banks likely won’t be Probowl Caliber, but if his Center isn’t playing 40th of 40 Centers in Pass protect (PFF rated Rhyan dead last) AND if his LT isn’t playing mediocre to slightly (Rasheed) problematic? He’s probably going to hold his own.

My own personal belief is if we had a Corey level player at Center? Banks would be at worst a serviceable starter and possibly might even see an uptick in Year 2.

 

[Pkrjones]

I don't like the idea of bringing back Jenkins but I would like to look for a starting guard.

Agree, age decline is well underway, time to move on.

We have two guard spots waiting for them. It sure would be a home run.I have to admit that I want a center too. Probably a guard and a center if there is one.

Why 2 guard spots? Unless Belton becomes our starting LT the RG spot is his, imho. He & a healthy Tom should make a formidable right side. Would be nice if a Monk showed up ready to seize the OC spot, but I'm not holding my breath. Need a former heavyweight wrestler, but I don't have any names.

 

[gopkrs]

Agree, age decline is well underway, time to move on.

Why 2 guard spots? Unless Belton becomes our starting LT the RG spot is his, imho. He & a healthy Tom should make a formidable right side. Would be nice if a Monk showed up ready to seize the OC spot, but I'm not holding my breath. Need a former heavyweight wrestler, but I don't have any names.

You are right. Momentarily forgot Belton.

 

[tynimiller]

John Williams will likely be a solid at worse depth piece that many forget because his rookie year was stolen from him.

 

[OldSchool101]

John Williams will likely be a solid at worse depth piece that many forget because his rookie year was stolen from him.

Yes. Many in the know had him much earlier in the draft. I recall seeing him in Day 1 on a draft board and while it was premature it still shows there’s some scouts that fell in love with John before he settled in to reality.

We had 2 OL that disappeared in 2025. I recall Matt saying how our pick #202, Travis Glover was showing big time signs of improvement when he was injured. The guy didn’t even show up on depth charts because of a Camp injury. If healthy he’s probably at worst a good depth piece or competition at Tackle. Great size at 6’6.0” with 1/4” shy of 35” reach. He also jumped 32” vertical which is remarkable for someone that weighs 320lb. Above average speed, semi poor agility but it’s his length snd “get off” explosion that saves him.

He’s also in Year 3 and we all know that’s where guys get comfortable in the playbook. Thankfully his injury was in Camp in 2025 so he got shut down and fell off our radar. Yet here’s a 3rd year player out of Georgia State that was the best Tackle in his Conference. That being his “Big Knock” was it was All-Sunbelt. Yet plenty of guys transition from lower echelon competition and go on to have remarkable careers.

Just my thing maybe but I always like to say an early season injury is best because it’s like the subsequent season effect is like having another bonus draft pick. Thats my positive spin on injuries! lol

 

[melvin dangerr]

anyone doing a SB thread

 

[Heyjoe4]

Agree, age decline is well underway, time to move on.

Why 2 guard spots? Unless Belton becomes our starting LT the RG spot is his, imho. He & a healthy Tom should make a formidable right side. Would be nice if a Monk showed up ready to seize the OC spot, but I'm not holding my breath. Need a former heavyweight wrestler, but I don't have any names.

Good points Pkr, thanks. There is, I think, a small chance that Rhyan's partial patella tendon tear lingers and affects his season/career. I just don't think it's quite that bad, although I have no reason other than intuition. And it's a partial tear versus a rupture and that is a very big deal as it affects recovery.

Seems the starting OL, from left to right will be Walker (J), Banks, Rhyan, Belton, and Tom.

I didn't watch Banks much so would appreciate. everyone's comments on him. I do recall he had a rocky start given how much he cost (or regardless of how much he cost.....), but did play well in the second half of the season. Enough to keep him? I don't know so comments are welcome.

Thank all!

 

[Heyjoe4]

Hey @gopkrs
I agree with that remark as it seems Banks contract is going to keep him in Green Bay for at least the 2026 season.
From a recent interview this last week Gutey insinuated he’s looking forward to see what Banks can accomplish in year 2. So I think that all but confirms 1st hand Banks remains here.

Lastly, I have been critical of Banks but I also can’t erase Brian remarking on how they thought Aaron’s tape showed improvement once he worked through his injury. Not in exact words but he said something to that effect. Now I don’t know to discern if that’s ground cover for a mistake or is that truthful evaluation without his own subjectivity involved? My gut tells me he’s caliber of what I’d call a + Starter. Banks likely won’t be Probowl Caliber, but if his Center isn’t playing 40th of 40 Centers in Pass protect (PFF rated Rhyan dead last) AND if his LT isn’t playing mediocre to slightly (Rasheed) problematic? He’s probably going to hold his own.

My own personal belief is if we had a Corey level player at Center? Banks would be at worst a serviceable starter and possibly might even see an uptick in Year 2.

Yeah i think the consensus was that Banks play improved as the year went on, and will be back. So right now, the starting OL would be Walker (Jordan), Banks, Rhyan, and Tom.

Who is "Corey"? Not a fan of just using first names, for this reason. It's confusing.

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah i think the consensus was that Banks play improved as the year went on, and will be back. So right now, the starting OL would be Walker (Jordan), Banks, Rhyan, and Tom.

Who is "Corey"? Not a fan of just using first names, for this reason. It's confusing.

He is likely referencing Corey Linsley - who once was here and is no longer.

 

[Heyjoe4]

He is likely referencing Corey Linsley - who once was here and is no longer.

Thanks. Yes I think he means the former C, Corey Linsley.