It's been kind of quiet for a few days.......

[Heyjoe4]

so excited for the cowboys to dominate! This is our year

Maybe, if Prescott lives up to his deal and Parsons changes his mind.

I’m no Cowboys’ fan, but they have fielded some v good teams over the last five years. They just can’t pull the trigger in the playoffs. Although MM did them no favors.

True, but I think everyone can agree. Caleb is much better than Mitch Trubisky and the last time we traded for a defensive player like this Khalil Mack..... the double doink in the playoffs and if we win the Philly game, who knows so I would not mind at all if we do the deal and I won't mind at all if we don't.
I'm not saying we could beat them, but I think we give them a he.ll of a ride....

No comparison between Williams and Trubisky. Trubisky is a backup, on a good day.

 

[OldSchool101]

Oh, that's right because you can't manipulate the cap at all I forgot

No it’s not that, you can manipulate it alright. Looking forward we know 2027 Caleb will be expecting a large contract IF he is worthy. Which is likely. Chicago is cap strapped which will push this out until 2027 and beyond UNLESS you release the equivalent of other players. So there’s a balance sheet accounting for resources lost and gained here.
It’s not impossible, but imo there’s only a handful of teams that have BOTH the capacity in capital and ideal conditions to make this move. I honestly don’t see Chicago as having either, much less both.

A couple teams that would fall into both categories are the Commanders or Chargers. There’s maybe several others. The only one I see in the North would be The Packers but it would be maxing out our budget and limiting resigning several key players next season. Frankly, I think the Packers are ready to go all the way without Parsons and I mean that.

 

[Voyageur]

True, but I think everyone can agree. Caleb is much better than Mitch Trubisky and the last time we traded for a defensive player like this Khalil Mack..... the double doink in the playoffs and if we win the Philly game, who knows so I would not mind at all if we do the deal and I won't mind at all if we don't.
I'm not saying we could beat them, but I think we give them a he.ll of a ride....

You might take a look at what happened in the years after Mack's first in Chicago. That's when the cap problems surfaced. That's what I was referring to. We have just gone through that with Rodgers, and they spread the hit out over five years on Alexander. Good & bad. We lose some room every year.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Oh, that's right because you can't manipulate the cap at all I forgot

Of course the cap can be tweaked and juggled, but only to a certain degree, and only for a certain length of time. At some point, you have to let some other key players walk as their contracts come due.

But Poles would probably be dumb enough to do it.

So, in synopsis, as a Packer fan, I'd prefer the Bears sign him over the Packers. I don't want a cap strapping contract on the Packers.

My only concern is I don't want Love playing 12% of his season each of the next few years with Parsons lined up on the other side of the ball. But yes, it would be worth it to watch the Bears self-immolate once again.

I see Minnesota and Detroit mentioned from time to time as well... not sure how realistic that is; I think Brad Holmes is too smart for that, but I'm not sure about Adolpho-Mensah or whatever his name is.

Ideally, he gets traded to a bottom-dwelling AFC team, like the Raiders - who I have seen mentioned. We'd never have to worry about seeing him in the playoffs.

 

[Raptorman]

No it’s not that, you can manipulate it alright. Looking forward we know 2027 Caleb will be expecting a large contract IF he is worthy. Which is likely. Chicago is cap strapped which will push this out until 2027 and beyond UNLESS you release the equivalent of other players. So there’s a balance sheet accounting for resources lost and gained here.
It’s not impossible, but imo there’s only a handful of teams that have BOTH the capacity in capital and ideal conditions to make this move. I honestly don’t see Chicago as having either, much less both.

A couple teams that would fall into both categories are the Commanders or Chargers. There’s maybe several others. The only one I see in the North would be The Packers but it would be maxing out our budget and limiting resigning several key players next season. Frankly, I think the Packers are ready to go all the way without Parsons and I mean that.

Cap is easy to manipulate. Look at MN, they are currently 60 million over the cap next year. Think anyone is worried? At the same time, they are 73 million under in 2027. The fact that there is a cap is almost laughable.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Cap is easy to manipulate. Look at MN, they are currently 60 million over the cap next year. Think anyone is worried? At the same time, they are 73 million under in 2027. The fact that there is a cap is almost laughable.

Well, of course it's a lot easier when you don't have very many players worth big salaries.

Seriously, though... you'll need a lot of that to extend JJ, assuming he turns out well.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

No it’s not that, you can manipulate it alright. Looking forward we know 2027 Caleb will be expecting a large contract IF he is worthy. Which is likely. Chicago is cap strapped which will push this out until 2027 and beyond UNLESS you release the equivalent of other players. So there’s a balance sheet accounting for resources lost and gained here.
It’s not impossible, but imo there’s only a handful of teams that have BOTH the capacity in capital and ideal conditions to make this move. I honestly don’t see Chicago as having either, much less both.

A couple teams that would fall into both categories are the Commanders or Chargers. There’s maybe several others. The only one I see in the North would be The Packers but it would be maxing out our budget and limiting resigning several key players next season. Frankly, I think the Packers are ready to go all the way without Parsons and I mean that.

Iirc 16 Teams have 2 players making 100 million plus combined.
Bears are not one of those teams. Players get cut....money appears.
We have a lot of talented players on good contract extensions and rookie deals so

Well, of course it's a lot easier when you don't have very many players worth big salaries.

Seriously, though... you'll need a lot of that to extend JJ, assuming he turns out well.

says the team with the 5th most expensive player in da league.

 

[Voyageur]

Well, of course it's a lot easier when you don't have very many players worth big salaries.

Seriously, though... you'll need a lot of that to extend JJ, assuming he turns out well.

No matter how much you try, you can't fix tunnel vision when someone has it. All they see is bodies, but don't know what it means to massage the cap so you can field a solid team in every position.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well, of course it's a lot easier when you don't have very many players worth big salaries.

Seriously, though... you'll need a lot of that to extend JJ, assuming he turns out well.

I think JJ has already been extended at something like $35 mi AAV. I'm assuming your referring to Justin Jefferson???

 

[Raptorman]

Well, of course it's a lot easier when you don't have very many players worth big salaries.

Seriously, though... you'll need a lot of that to extend JJ, assuming he turns out well.

JJM is still a couple of years away. One thing I never worry about, cap space. I see fans talk about it and fret about it all the time. But in reality, when was the last time cap space had a major impact on a team keeping the players they wanted to keep?

 

[Raptorman]

I think JJ has already been extended at something like $35 mi AAV. I'm assuming your referring to Justin Jefferson???

I think he's talking about McCarthy. JJM. Jefferson's cap hit the next four years, starting in 2025. $15 million, $39, $43, and $46. So I am sure they will be playing with that next year for sure. JJM is good until 2027, but I would expect an extension before then if he turns out to be any good.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think he's talking about McCarthy. JJM. Jefferson's cap hit the next four years, starting in 2025. $15 million, $39, $43, and $46. So I am sure they will be playing with that next year for sure. JJM is good until 2027, but I would expect an extension before then if he turns out to be any good.

Thanks. Yeah when I heard "extension" and "JJ" I thought about Jefferson. As for JJM, might be best to let him start a few games before talking about extending him. That can be revisited in about three years.

I don't keep up with the Queeens' TC. What is the early word on JJM?

 

[Thirteen Below]

Iirc 16 Teams have 2 players making 100 million plus combined.
Bears are not one of those teams. Players get cut....money appears.
We have a lot of talented players on good contract extensions and rookie deals so

How many of those teams have been playoff teams 24 times in the last 30 years? Nobody but Green Bay.

As opposed to, say, the Bears - who have made the playoffs 7 times in the last 30 years, the Vikings (who have made it 14 times) and the Lions (8 times).

Gren Bay has won 23 playoff games in the last 30 years, as opposed to 4 for Chicago.

Tell me which team has been better managed over the last 30 years?

says the team with the 5th most expensive player in da league.

Says the team that has won more games in the last 30 years than any other team in the NFL, and won twice as many Super Bowls in those years than the Bears have ever won in their history.

Tell me again, which team has been better managed over the last 30 years?

In the last 30 years, Green Bay has had 4 losing seasons. The Bears have had 17, more than 4 times as many.

Tell me again which team has been better managed over the last 30 years?

Over the last 30 years, the Packers have gone 302-107-1, for a winning percentage of .57.

The Bears have gone 152-172, a winning percentage of 46.9. They've won half as many games as the Packers.

Which of those two teams do you suppose has been better managed and more successful over the last 30 years?

In the last 30 years, Green Bay has a 46-14 head to head record against the Bears.... a 77% winning percentage. We whomped you 3 out of every 4 times we played.

Like most Packer fans, I am comfortable saying that Green Bay has a far better model for how to build and manage an NFL team than the Bears, and far more success implementing that plan. Our front office knows what it's doing. Chicago's? Maybe not so much.

 

[Raptorman]

Thanks. Yeah when I heard "extension" and "JJ" I thought about Jefferson. As for JJM, might be best to let him start a few games before talking about extending him. That can be revisited in about three years.

I don't keep up with the Queeens' TC. What is the early word on JJM?

Apparently, he's looking pretty good. We shall see in a few weeks how he is really doing.

 

[Thirteen Below]

One thing I never worry about, cap space. I see fans talk about it and fret about it all the time.

You know who else frets about it all the time? General managers -or at least the smart ones do, just as the smart fans do. Because nobody knows more about how to operate an NFL team than GMs.

But in reality, when was the last time cap space had a major impact on a team keeping the players they wanted to keep?

You can't possibly be serious...

Almost every single team, every single year. On August 26, 26 of the 32 teams will have to cut players to get under the cap, and a lot of them are going to be good players they can't afford to keep. More than half of those teams will have to give up players who play important roles, and replace them with younger, cheaper players.

They'll find ways to keep their stars (most of them), but the supporting cast they need to do their jobs effectively will be weaker. And the team will be somewhat worse. Just the Bills alone have had to dump a half-dozen key or at least contributing veterans in the last few months, including Von Miller - and I can promise you they would much rather have kept them.

 

[OldSchool101]

Cap is easy to manipulate. Look at MN, they are currently 60 million over the cap next year. Think anyone is worried? At the same time, they are 73 million under in 2027. The fact that there is a cap is almost laughable.

Absolutely
You get that luxury with rookie QB deal. There’s only so much playing the Cap game before it’s time to pay the Piper. Anyone claiming Capital isn’t prohibitory is being fiscally irresponsible. The Top teams know how to structure contracts and understand which players to sign and when to sign them.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

I don't believe I was ever trying to make the argument that we were better managed over the last 30 years because we haven't been.

If you look at what Poles has done since he became general manager, though the first year, I think we carried 62 million and dead money because he got rid of every contract that he deemed really bad from previous regimes.

We were horrible that year.....got the first pick....and he turned that into Caleb Williams, DJ, Rome and the jury is out on the "Minecraft Meme" Tyrique Stevenson.

Other good players (of course we haven't seen the finished product yet) are trending in the right direction (Kmet, K Gordon, Brisker and I think Edmonds our MLB has been criminally underutilized.

Of course he missed on the Pitt WR Claypool and OG Nate(def not a "G") Davis and some others but..... I personally believe the positive moves, outweigh the negative and convincing the normally fiscally conservative Bears management to back up the Brinks truck and pay Ben Johnson almost 4 times what they were paying the idiot that runs Dallas defense.

In conclusion....I think we all saw a team last year that was ill-prepared, led by a mental midget and had every bad break and ridiculous thing go against them...... It turned into a nightmare season that crumbled with the Hail Mary in Washington.

But it's clear as a summer day that Ben Johnson has changed the culture and the identity of who the Chicago Bears are.....
Again talk is cheap.....but luckily we're only about five weeks away from the rubber hitting the road.

 

[Raptorman]

You know who else frets about it all the time? General managers -or at least the smart ones do, just as the smart fans do. Because nobody knows more about how to operate an NFL team than GMs.



You can't possibly be serious...

Almost every single team, every single year. On August 26, 26 of the 32 teams will have to cut players to get under the cap, and a lot of them are going to be good players they can't afford to keep. More than half of those teams will have to give up players who play important roles, and replace them with younger, cheaper players.

They'll find ways to keep their stars (most of them), but the supporting cast they need to do their jobs effectively will be weaker. And the team will be somewhat worse. Just the Bills alone have had to dump a half-dozen key or at least contributing veterans in the last few months, including Von Miller - and I can promise you they would much rather have kept them.

And fans worry about something they have zero control over. It a fools game to worry about the cap as a fan.

 

[Voyageur]

JJM is still a couple of years away. One thing I never worry about, cap space. I see fans talk about it and fret about it all the time. But in reality, when was the last time cap space had a major impact on a team keeping the players they wanted to keep?

If that's what you believe, you're definitely on the wrong board.

 

[Thirteen Below]

And fans worry about something they have zero control over. It a fools game to worry about the cap as a fan.

That makes absolutely zero sense, guy. Fans get excited, or get concerned, or get happy or angy about dozens of things over which they have no control; that's part of being a fan. We're not robots.

That's like saying fans shouldn't get worried when a star player goes down with an injury and rolls around on the ground holding his knee, or excicted when he scores a touchdown, because after all we have no control over those things - or get happy when they win or angry when they lose, because heck, we had no control over it.

The cap is a very important factor in the state of your team, because it directly affects the quality of the players you have on the field. So of course we worry when the team loses players to free agency because the team can't afford them. It's one of the many highs and lows that go with being a fan.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't believe I was ever trying to make the argument that we were better managed over the last 30 years because we haven't been.

If you look at what Poles has done since he became general manager, though the first year, I think we carried 62 million and dead money because he got rid of every contract that he deemed really bad from previous regimes.

We were horrible that year.....got the first pick....and he turned that into Caleb Williams, DJ, Rome and the jury is out on the "Minecraft Meme" Tyrique Stevenson.

Other good players (of course we haven't seen the finished product yet) are trending in the right direction (Kmet, K Gordon, Brisker and I think Edmonds our MLB has been criminally underutilized.

Of course he missed on the Pitt WR Claypool and OG Nate(def not a "G") Davis and some others but..... I personally believe the positive moves, outweigh the negative and convincing the normally fiscally conservative Bears management to back up the Brinks truck and pay Ben Johnson almost 4 times what they were paying the idiot that runs Dallas defense.

In conclusion....I think we all saw a team last year that was ill-prepared, led by a mental midget and had every bad break and ridiculous thing go against them...... It turned into a nightmare season that crumbled with the Hail Mary in Washington.

But it's clear as a summer day that Ben Johnson has changed the culture and the identity of who the Chicago Bears are.....
Again talk is cheap.....but luckily we're only about five weeks away from the rubber hitting the road.

I think it’s ultimate fanship to support your team when they are down. Anyone can praise a team when they are winning. Chicago is loaded with talented players. It really comes down to what many in her say. QB play.

 

[OldSchool101]

That makes absolutely zero sense, guy. Fans get excited, or get concerned, or get happy or angy about dozens of things over which they have no control; that's part of being a fan. We're not robots.

That's like saying fans shouldn't get worried when a star player goes down with an injury and rolls around on the ground holding his knee, or excicted when he scores a touchdown, because after all we have no control over those things - or get happy when they win or angry when they lose, because heck, we had no control over it.

The cap is a very important factor in the state of your team, because it directly affects the quality of the players you have on the field. So of course we worry when the team loses players to free agency because the team can't afford them. It's one of the many highs and lows that go with being a fan.

Exactly. Sometimes I get excited over a player signing that we just steal. I especially love it when we scoop a player off someone’s Practice Squad etc. and they go on to contribute at a high level on cheap $$. Campbell and Rasul come to mind. Even when we recoup draft capital or a compensatory selection above what paid for a player to begin with. That’s just incredible. Those are sometimes the moves that bring in a player like Valentine or Karl Brooks or Walker. I get excited when we move back a couple spots, then move up to get a player like Evan Williams at #111 etc.

Btw speaking of draft moves, it seems like our hit rate is better when gyrating around the board. Examples are the J’aire trade back and up netted us Savage for a 3rd. Elgton move up, Reed moving back and getting Karl. Then Watson, then Evan Williams. Most notable is Jordan Love.. that cat was an absolute steal using a #26 packaged.

 

[lambeaulambo]

so excited for the cowboys to dominate! This is our year

you sir, are a knucklehead.

 

[Heyjoe4]

How many of those teams have been playoff teams 24 times in the last 30 years? Nobody but Green Bay.

As opposed to, say, the Bears - who have made the playoffs 7 times in the last 30 years, the Vikings (who have made it 14 times) and the Lions (8 times).

Gren Bay has won 23 playoff games in the last 30 years, as opposed to 4 for Chicago.

Tell me which team has been better managed over the last 30 years?


Says the team that has won more games in the last 30 years than any other team in the NFL, and won twice as many Super Bowls in those years than the Bears have ever won in their history.

Tell me again, which team has been better managed over the last 30 years?

In the last 30 years, Green Bay has had 4 losing seasons. The Bears have had 17, more than 4 times as many.

Tell me again which team has been better managed over the last 30 years?

Over the last 30 years, the Packers have gone 302-107-1, for a winning percentage of .57.

The Bears have gone 152-172, a winning percentage of 46.9. They've won half as many games as the Packers.

Which of those two teams do you suppose has been better managed and more successful over the last 30 years?

In the last 30 years, Green Bay has a 46-14 head to head record against the Bears.... a 77% winning percentage. We whomped you 3 out of every 4 times we played.

Like most Packer fans, I am comfortable saying that Green Bay has a far better model for how to build and manage an NFL team than the Bears, and far more success implementing that plan. Our front office knows what it's doing. Chicago's? Maybe not so much.

Thanks for the stats 13.

About midway through reading your replies, I started laughing. Which team, especially the Bears, would criticize GB in the face of comparable stats on winning? And in the SB era, the Packers have 4 times as many Lombardis as Chicago. Can't really do that math with the Lions and Queens as they have a combined zero Lombardi trophies (or SB wins to include the years before the Lombardi trophy).

 

[Heyjoe4]

Exactly. Sometimes I get excited over a player signing that we just steal. I especially love it when we scoop a player off someone’s Practice Squad etc. and they go on to contribute at a high level on cheap $$. Campbell and Rasul come to mind. Even when we recoup draft capital or a compensatory selection above what paid for a player to begin with. That’s just incredible. Those are sometimes the moves that bring in a player like Valentine or Karl Brooks or Walker. I get excited when we move back a couple spots, then move up to get a player like Evan Williams at #111 etc.

Btw speaking of draft moves, it seems like our hit rate is better when gyrating around the board. Examples are the J’aire trade back and up netted us Savage for a 3rd. Elgton move up. I think we missed with Spriggs though. Then Reed moving back and getting Karl. Then Watson, then Evan Williams. Most notable is Jordan Love.. that cat was an absolute steal using a #26 packaged.

McKinney and Barkley both had excellent seasons when they left the Giants for much better-run football organizations. I'm hoping that holds true for Hobbs, coming from the Raiders, and Simmons, who also spent time with the Giants and has never been used to emphasize his strengths as a LB.

Sometimes a change of scenery makes all the difference. I find it a little funny that current Packers try to recruit other players to GB because "there's not much to do here so we focus on our jobs" - paraphrasing there.

There are just some organizations that have a history of bad management. The Giants haven't always been on that list but they are now. And the Raiders? I don't think an explanation is necessary.