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    Params: post, 432966, a:1:{i:0;s:221:"Hey forget favre. I was banned this week because I asked a question. I asked if Brett hated the Packers and the fans as much as all of them did. I was close a couple of other times. I am a Favre fan but he is not God.";}, 1466975802, 1469884138
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    Params: post, 433005, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:48:"realcaliforniacheese, post: 432961, member: 4943";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:58:"[quote="realcaliforniacheese, post: 432961, member: 4943"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:155:"So, your saying that we, as fans should have assumed we would probably lose? The weather Had not a a thing to do with it. We played a crappy game, period. ";}}i:1;s:549:" No, like the loss to the Chiefs, I was just worried for the fans who had this notion that we were Superman, infallible, unbeatable. I've learned thru decades of serious football watching that it isn't the case. I believe this was the 8th straight season where the team with the best W-L record did not win the Super Bowl. The best regular season record doesn't mean much. Also, I still am quite sure that the weather had something to do with us playing a crappy game. We do not fumble balls, miss passes, drop catches like that in nice weather.";}, 1466975802, 1469884138
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