Grading the Packers’ position groups based on advanced statistics

[Deleted member 6794]

Way over rated the safeties D+ for me. Under-rated the linebackers corners, specialists.

Amos and Savage have performed significantly better than a D+. Aside of Crosby the special teams were a mess all season long.

 

[longtimefan]

Way over rated the safeties D+ for me. Under-rated the linebackers corners, specialists. He graded Edge Rushers twice as they are technically linebackers so lets grade the D-Line. I'd say C- for them and that's with Clark finally kicking into gear at the mid-season mark. WR are a solid B they over performed from what we thought they would do but A- is high for this group. I would drop Aaron to an A not A+ and give the RBs the A+

Wow..safties a d? Explain because everyone has listed them way better than that

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Wow..safties a d? Explain because everyone has listed them way better than that

A-B Safeties are guys like Collins, Butler, Woodson. Have these guys been that good or have they disappeared? To me they've disappeared.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

A-B Safeties are guys like Collins, Butler, Woodson. Have these guys been that good or have they disappeared? To me they've disappeared.

You haven't been following closely if you truly believe Amos and Savage haven't had a positive impact over the past few days.

While they haven't performed at a HOF level like the players you mentioned they definitely deserve better than a D+.

 

[longtimefan]

A-B Safeties are guys like Collins, Butler, Woodson. Have these guys been that good or have they disappeared? To me they've disappeared.

I think you are way off base..

But ok

 

[longtimefan]

A-B Safeties are guys like Collins, Butler, Woodson. Have these guys been that good or have they disappeared? To me they've disappeared.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/09/packers-s-adrian-amos-receives-all-pro-votes-in-2020/

When targeted in coverage, Amos allowed 8.5 yards per catch and a passer rating of 71.7, which ranked sixth and ninth among safeties, respectively.


Amos was one of only 17 safeties in the NFL to tally 10 stops against both the run and pass in 2020

 

[Mondio]

A-B Safeties are guys like Collins, Butler, Woodson. Have these guys been that good or have they disappeared? To me they've disappeared.

ha, those are all HOF caliber safeties and you'd consider them a potential B? They're A+ among their peers. Amos and Savage may not be A+, but a D? they've hardly disappeared. Maybe you're not really watching? Amos has been as steady as they come back there and sure in his tackling and coverages and Savage has been the highest graded safety in the league the last 3rd of the season by PFF. Disappeared? He has given up a passer rating of 2. something in the past 7 weeks and has 4 INT's. Please tell me your joking

 

[Mondio]

I think you are way off base..

But ok

because he is

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Way over rated the safeties D+ for me. Under-rated the linebackers corners, specialists. He graded Edge Rushers twice as they are technically linebackers so lets grade the D-Line. I'd say C- for them and that's with Clark finally kicking into gear at the mid-season mark. WR are a solid B they over performed from what we thought they would do but A- is high for this group. I would drop Aaron to an A not A+ and give the RBs the A+

You must be completely shocked that the Packers are in the NFCCG?

 

[gopkrs]

To my mind, where Amos and Savage have really improved is in tackling. They are both coming with determination and force. And that hypes up the whole defense imho. Savage has a couple pics where he has looked really good in pass defense also.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

You must be completely shocked that the Packers are in the NFCCG?

Honestly with the way this team has played in a few games, and that they're not cleaning up problem areas I really am. Consequently I don't have a good feeling about today, but I also had good feelings about Supebowl 32, 2011, Seattle in 2014, and last year, so maybe karma is due to get one right.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

ha, those are all HOF caliber safeties and you'd consider them a potential B? They're A+ among their peers. Amos and Savage may not be A+, but a D? they've hardly disappeared. Maybe you're not really watching? Amos has been as steady as they come back there and sure in his tackling and coverages and Savage has been the highest graded safety in the league the last 3rd of the season by PFF. Disappeared? He has given up a passer rating of 2. something in the past 7 weeks and has 4 INT's. Please tell me your joking

Collins isn't HOF worthy the other two are. That's where I get my B rating.

 

[Do7]

Honestly with the way this team has played in a few games, and that they're not cleaning up problem areas I really am. Consequently I don't have a good feeling about today, but I also had good feelings about Supebowl 32, 2011, Seattle in 2014, and last year, so maybe karma is due to get one right.

So you thought last season was a fluke I assume?

 

[Mondio]

Collins isn't HOF worthy the other two are. That's where I get my B rating.

His career was too short to actually become one, as for his production before a career ending neck injury? would you know a HOF caliber player if you saw them? I'd think your list of scouts, GM's, coaches and peers would be pretty short who didn't find Collins to be an elite level safety.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

His career was too short to actually become one, as for his production before a career ending neck injury? would you know a HOF caliber player if you saw them? I'd think your list of scouts, GM's, coaches and peers would be pretty short who didn't find Collins to be an elite level safety.

7 year career is about twice as long as the average career hardly short.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

So you thought last season was a fluke I assume?

No, as the post you responded to said I had a good feeling about last year.

 

[Mondio]

7 year career is about twice as long as the average career hardly short.

Ahh yes, let’s compare the career to people not in the HOF to people that are. And he In essence had 6 seasons in the nfl. Unless you really want to count the season he had a career ending neck injury in week 2?

many HOF players in with 6 seasons? How many with 7? The more you talk the more you lose. Collins was an elite safety.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Ahh yes, let’s compare the career to people not in the HOF to people that are. And he In essence had 6 seasons in the nfl. Unless you really want to count the season he had a career ending neck injury in week 2?

many HOF players in with 6 seasons? How many with 7? The more you talk the more you lose. Collins was an elite safety.

You said he had a short career. I said he did not, and gave you numbers, actual numbers. You gave me 'but if' numbers. I think I won this around, now go troll one of my other posts and try to win there

 

[Mondio]

You said he had a short career. I said he did not, and gave you numbers, actual numbers. You gave me 'but if' numbers. I think I won this around, now go troll one of my other posts and try to win there

It almost hurt when you called me a troll, because I know that you'll definitely know one when you see it. But then I realized it's just you being you.

But I said he was an elite safety who's career was too short to get in the HOF. He basically had 6 years. How many HOF'ers had 6 years? I believe you said he wasn't HOF worthy, to which I said his level of play was there, but his career was too short to actually get in.


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Collins isn't HOF worthy the other two are. That's where I get my B rating.

Your statement

His career was too short to actually become one, as for his production before a career ending neck injury? would you know a HOF caliber player if you saw them? I'd think your list of scouts, GM's, coaches and peers would be pretty short who didn't find Collins to be an elite level safety.

and what I said. care to revise any other words I said? like I said, the more you talk the more we all lose I guess.

Later

 

[Poppa San]

How many with 7?

Gale Sayers was one. And his last two seasons were 2 games each. Only played full seasons 3 of his 7 years.
More recently Terrell Davis played 7 seasons, 17 games split over the last three.

The longevity thing is ignored when convenient.