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Draft Analyst Thread

Discussion in 'Draft Talk' started by Dantés, Mar 4, 2021.

  1. Dantés

    Dantés Gute Loot

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    Lance Zierlein dropped his huge cache of scouting reports yesterday, so I thought I'd create a thread to catalogue some of the takes/reports/rankings of some of the big names in the industry.

    I tend to prefer Zierlein, Jeremiah, Brugler, Cosell to guys like McShay or Kiper because there have been enough gaffes over the years that led me to believe that half the time those latter two don't even watch the players.

    But anyone else feel free to post content from whoever they really like.
     
  2. Dantés

    Dantés Gute Loot

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    Ok, Zierlein posted his reports. He doesn't release rankings, but just reports with grades. His grading scale is:

    5.0-5.1: Chance to get into a camp

    5.4: Priority free agent

    5.5-5.6: Draftable; chance to make a roster

    5.8-5.9: Backup/Special Teamer

    6.0: Developmental player

    6.1-6.2: High end backup; chance to start

    6.3-6.4: Will start in first two seasons

    6.5: Boom/Bust

    6.7-6.8: Year 1 quality starter

    7.0-7.1: Pro bowler

    7.3-7.5: Perennial all-pro

    8.0: Perfect prospect

    Below, I'll stack up his prospects by position that received a 6.00 or better.
     
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    Quarterback:
    • Tier 1:
    • Trevor Lawrence, CLEM, 7.40
    • Tier 2:
    • Trey Lance, NDSU, 6.45
    • Zach Wilson, BYU, 6.43
    • Justin Fields, OSU, 6.42
    • Mac Jones, Alabama, 6.33
    • Tier 3:
    • Kyle Trask, FLA, 6.19
    • Davis Mills, STAN, 6.14
    • Kellen Mond, TAMU, 6.10
    • Jamie Newman, WF, 6.00
    Running Back:
    • Tier 1:
    • Travis Etienne, CLEM, 6.71
    • Tier 2:
    • Najee Harris, Alabama, 6.46
    • Javonte Williams, UNC, 6.40
    • Tier 3:
    • Demetric Felton, UCLA, 6.23
    • Trey Sermon, Ohio State, 6.20
    • Chuba Hubbard, Ok. State, 6.19
    • Michael Carter, UNC, 6.17
    • Kylin Hill, Miss. State, 6.11
    • Larry Rountree, Missouri, 6.11
    • Rhamondre Stevenson, Oklahoma, 6.11

    Wide Receiver:
    • Tier 1:
    • Devonta Smith, Alabama, 7.15
    • Ja'Marr Chase, CLEM, 7.05
    • Tier 2:
    • Jaylen Waddle, Alabama, 6.81
    • Tier 3:
    • Elijah Moore, Ole Miss, 6.41
    • Tier 4:
    • Kadarius Toney, FLA, 6.36
    • Terrance Marshall, LSU, 6.34
    • Tylan Wallace, Ok. State, 6.30
    • Nico Collins, Michigan, 6.28
    • Rashad Bateman, Minnesota, 6.27
    • Cade Johnson, South Dakota State, 6.26
    • Cornell Powell, Clemson, 6.26
    • Amari Rodgers, Clemson, 6.25
    • Josh Palmer, Tennessee, 6.24
    • Rondale Moore, Purdue, 6.22
    • Amon-Ra St. Brown, USC, 6.21
    • Tier 5:
    • Dyami Brown, UNC, 6.16
    • Tamorrion Tarry, FSU, 6.15
    • Austin Watkins, UAB, 6.14
    • D'Wayne Eskridge, WMU, 6.14
    • Frank Darby, ASU, 6.10
    • Anthony Schwartz, AUB, 6.00
    • Marquez Stevenson, HOU, 6.00
    Tight End:
    • Tier 1:
    • Kyle Pitts, FLA, 7.19
    • Tier 2:
    • Tommy Tremble, ND, 6.32
    • Pat Freiermuth, PSU, 6.30
    • Tier 3:
    • Hunter Long, BC, 6.10
    Tackle:
    • Tier 1:
    • Rashawn Slater, NW, 6.77
    • Penei Sewell, OR, 6.73
    • Tier 2:
    • Christian Darrisaw, VTU, 6.49
    • Teven Jenkins, Ok. State, 6.40
    • Alija Vera-Tucker, USC, 6.40
    • Tier 3:
    • Liam Eichenberg, ND, 6.27
    • Alex Leatherwood, Alabama, 6.26
    • Dillon Radunz, NDSU, 6.26
    • Sam Cosmi, Texas, 6.25
    • Jalen Mayfield, Michigan, 6.24
    • Tier 4:
    • Spencer Brown, N. Iowa, 6.19
    • Brady Christensen, BYU, 6.19
    • Royce Newman, Ole Miss, 6.18
    • Walker Little, STAN, 6.17
    • Josh Ball, MAR, 6.16
    • James Hudson, HOU, 6.00

    Interior OL:

    • Tier 1:
    • Landon Dickerson, Alabama, 6.42
    • Tier 2:
    • Quinn Meinerz, Wisc WW, 6.31
    • Aaron Banks, ND, 6.29
    • Wyatt David, OSU, 6.26
    • Deonte Brown, Alabama, 6.25
    • Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma, 6.24
    • Trey Smith, FSU, 6.24
    • Josh Myers, OSU, 6.23
    • Michael Menet, PSU, 6.20
    • Tier 3:
    • Ben Cleveland, UGA, 6.18
    • Jared Hocker, TAMU, 6.14
    • Kendrick Green, ILL, 6.12
    • Dave Moore, GRAM, 6.00
     
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  4. Dantés

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    Interior DL:
    • Tier 1:
      • Christian Barmore, Alabama, 6.70
    • Tier 2:
      • Levi Onwuzurike, UW, 6.38
      • Daviyon Nixon, Iowa, 6.29
      • Boogie Basham, WF, 6.28
      • Jay Tufele, USC, 6.22
      • Tyler Shelvin, LSU, 6.20
    • Tier 3:
      • Jaylen Twyman, Pitt, 6.15
      • Bobbie Brown, TAMU, 6.14
      • Alim McNeill, NCSU, 6.14
      • Marlon Tuipulotu, USC, 6.10
      • Cam Sample, Tulane, 6.00
    Edge:
    • Tier 1:
      • Azeez Ojulari, UGA, 6.7
    • Tier 2:
      • Jayson Oweh, PSU, 6.44
      • Kwity Paye, UM, 6.40
    • Tier 3:
      • Greg Rousseau, MIA, 6.39
      • Jaelen Phillips, MIA, 6.37
      • Chris Rumph, DUKE, 6.33
      • Joe Tryon, UW, 6.31
      • Joseph Ossai, UT, 6.30
      • Dayo Odeyingbo, VAN, 6.27
      • Milton Williams, LAT, 6.25
      • Payton Turner, HOU, 6.24
      • Charles Snowden, UVA, 6.22
    • Tier 4:
      • Patrick Johnson, TUL, 6.16
      • Jordan Smith, UAB, 6.00
    Linebacker:
    • Tier 1:
      • Micah Parsons, PSU, 6.89
      • Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, ND, 6.82
    • Tier 2:
      • Zaven Collins, Tulsa, 6.39
      • Nick Bolton, Missouri, 6.33
      • Jabril Cox, LSU, 6.26
      • Jamin Davis, UK, 6.26
      • Dylan Moses, Alabama, 6.21
    • Tier 3:
      • Baron Browning, OSU, 6.16
      • Chazz Surratt, UNC, 6.14
      • Monty Rice, UGA, 6.13
      • Cameron McGrone, UM, 6.10
    Cornerback:
    • Tier 1:
      • Patrick Surtain, Alabama, 7.02
    • Tier 2:
      • Caleb Farley, VTU, 6.45
      • Jaycee Horn, SC, 6.43
    • Tier 3:
      • Greg Newsome, NW, 6.38
      • Tyson Campbell, UGA, 6.37
      • Shakur Brown, Mich. State, 6.33
      • Elijah Molden, UW, 6.33
      • Aaron Robinson, UCF, 6.30
      • Ifeatu Melifonwu, SYR, 6.26
      • Eric Stokes, UGA, 6.25
      • Asante Samuel, FSU, 6.24
      • Paulson Adebo, STAN, 6.23
      • Robert Rochell, CARK, 6.22
    • Tier 4:
      • Bryce Thompson, TEN, 6.15
      • Kary Vincent, LSU, 6.14
      • Ambry Thomas, UM, 6.11
      • D.J. Daniel, UGA, 6.10
      • Israel Mukuamu, SC, 6.00
      • Benjamin St. Juste, MIN, 6.00
    Safety:
    • Tier 1:
      • Trevon Moehrig, TCU, 6.35
      • Jamar Johnson, UI, 6.30
      • Jevon Holland, OR, 6.25
      • Divine Deablo, VTU, 6.23
    • Tier 2:
      • Christian Uphoff, Ill. State, 6.11
      • Andre Cisco, SYR, 6.10
      • Shawn Davis, FLA, 6.10
      • Tyree Gillespie, MIZZ, 6.10
      • Hamsah Nasirildeen, FSU, 6.10
      • Jamien Sherwood, AUB, 6.00
     
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    I want to point out that WalterFootball is putrid garbage and should be ignored.
     
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  7. Dantés

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    Here's Jeremiah's implied rankings from his top 50:

    QB:
    1. T. Lawrence, CLEM (1)
    2. Z. Wilson, BYU (4)
    3. T. Lance, NDSU (11)
    4. J. Fields, OSU (12)
    5. M. Jones, Alabama (34)
    RB:
    1. T. Etienne, CLEM (18)
    2. N. Harris, Alabama (22)
    3. J. Williams, UNC (32)
    WR:
    1. J. Chase, LSU (2)
    2. J. Waddle, Alabama (6)
    3. D. Smith, Alabama (8)
    4. K. Toney, FLA (21)
    5. T. Atwell, LOU (36)
    6. T. Marshall, LSU (40)
    7. R. Bateman, MIN (46)
    8. E. Moore, MISS (50)
    TE:
    1. K. Pitts, FLA (3)
    2. P. Freiermuth, PSU (49)
    OT:
    1. R. Slate, NW (7)
    2. P. Sewell, OR (9)
    3. J. Mayfield, UM (25)
    4. C. Darrisaw, VTU (26)
    5. T. Jenkins, OKST (30)
    6. D. Radunz, NDSU (44)
    7. L. Eichenberg, ND (47)
    iOL:
    1. A. Vera-Tucker, USC (15)
    2. L. Dickerson, Alabama (37)
    iDL:
    1. L. Onwuzurike, UW (28)
    2. C. Barmore, Alabama (41)
    3. D. Nixon, Iowa (45)
    ED:
    1. G. Rousseau, MIA (13)
    2. K. Paye, UM (19)
    3. J. Phillips, MIA (20)
    4. J. Tryon, UW (27)
    5. J. Oweh, PSU (33)
    6. R. Perkins, OK (38)
    7. O. Ojulari, UGA (39)
    LB:
    1. M. Parsons, PSU (10)
    2. J. Owusu-Koramoah, ND (17)
    3. Z. Collins, TUL (24)
    4. N. Bolton, MIZZ (29)
    5. J. Davis, UK (35)
    6. J. Cox, LSU (43)
    CB:
    1. C. Farley, VTU (5)
    2. P. Surtain, Alabama (14)
    3. J. Horn, SC (23)
    4. G. Newsome, NW (31)
    5. K. Joseph, UK (42)
    6. A. Robinson, UCF (48)
    S:
    1. T. Moehrig, TCU (16)
     
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    Big takeaway, he seems to be really high on this class at QB, WR, OT, EDGE, and CB.
     
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    In another thread can you go back a few seasons for his rankings and see how many hits he actually has? Because of others you said
    so which have the batter track record?
     
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    Shocked that Osa missed his defensive line tiers and Hayes missed his edge, but dangit if I don't agree with a lot of his. His OT rankings are dang near a mirror of my thoughts and I as well have Slater #1

    Anyone else catch how high on Meinerz he is?
     
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    Seems like Meinerz has blown up since he left Wisconsin WW and started training with higher level coaches. His Sr. Bowl was supposed to be dominant.

    I haven't really watched anyone from this class. I doubt I will get to much. But guys like LZ give my a frame of reference and a watch list.
     
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    My takeaway is that Zierlein thinks that there are very few high impact defensive players in this draft.
     
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    There are five players in this class that he's given a 7.00+ grade to and four are offensive:

    Trevor Lawrence
    Kyle Pitts
    Devonta Smith
    Ja'Marr Chase
    Patrick Surtain

    There are eight others who are above a 6.5 and it's an even split:

    Micah Parsons
    Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
    Jaylen Waddle
    Rashawn Slater
    Penei Sewell
    Travis Etienne
    Ozeez Ojulari
    Christian Barmore

    So among his 13 guys with big grades, 8 are offensive players and 5 are defensive players.
     
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    Biggest gaps on evaluation between Zierlein and Jeremiah:
    • E. Moore, WR, MISS
    • L. Dickerson, iOL, Alabama
    • G. Rousseau, ED, MIA
    • C. Barmore, iDL, Alabama
    • C. Farley, CB, VTU
     
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    And here's Brugler's from his top 50:

    QB:
    1. T. Lawrence, CLEM (1)
    2. Z. Wilson, BYU (4)
    3. J. Fields, OSU (9)
    4. T. Lance, NDSU (15)
    5. M. Jones, Alabama (40)
    RB:
    1. N. Harris, Alabama (28)
    2. T. Etienne, CLEM (35)
    TE:
    1. K. Pitts, FLA (5)
    2. P. Freiermuth, PSU (47)
    WR:
    1. J. Chase, CLEM (3)
    2. D. Smith, Alabama (7)
    3. J. Waddle, Alabama (8)
    4. K. Toney, FLA (25)
    5. T. Marshall, LSU (44)
    6. R. Bateman, MIN (45)
    7. R. Moore, PUR (48)
    OT:
    1. P. Sewell, OR (2)
    2. R. Slater, NW (6)
    3. C. Darrisaw, VTU (12)
    4. T. Jenkins, OKST (27)
    5. A. Leatherwood, Alabama (38)
    6. S. Cosmi, UT (42)
    7. L. Eichenberg, ND (46)
    iOL:
    1. A. Vera-Tucker, USC (17)
    2. J. Mayfield, UM (26)
    3. L. Dickerson, Alabama (36)
    4. W. Davis, OSU (41)
    5. D. Brown, Alabama (50)
    iDL:
    1. C. Barmore, Alabama (18)
    2. D. Nixon, Iowa (39)
    3. L. Onwuzurike, UW (43)
    ED:
    1. A. Ojulari, UGA (16)
    2. K. Paye, UM (19)
    3. J. Oweh, PSU (21)
    4. G. Rousseau, MIA (24)
    5. J. Phillips, MIA (29)
    6. J. Ossai, UT (30)
    7. C. Basham, WF (32)
    LB:
    1. M. Parsons, PSU (13)
    2. J. Owusu-Koramoah, ND (14)
    3. N. Bolton, MIZZ (22)
    4. Z. Collins, TUL (23)
    5. C. Surratt, UNC (36)
    CB:
    1. C. Farley, VTU (10)
    2. P. Surtain, Alabama (11)
    3. J. Horn, SC, (20)
    4. T. Campbell, UGA (31)
    5. A. Samuel, FSU (34)
    6. E. Molden, UW (49)
    S:
    1. T. Moehrig, TCU (33)
     
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    There is a lot of agreement between these three early on.

    Biggest divergences for Brugler:

    Harris over Etienne at RB and no Javonte Williams in his top 50.

    He's close to Jeremiah on Elijah Moore, but LZ is much higher. Moore is Zierlein's 22nd player-- 50 and 56 for Jeremiah and Brugler.

    Brugler is pretty high on Joseph Ossai, the edge rusher from Texas.

    He's got his flag planted on Chazz Surratt apparently.
     
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    Looking more closely at Zierlein’s grades.
    It seems to me that he doesn’t that this is a very good draft class.
     
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    I don't think that's true.

    He has like 140 guys so far that are graded as at least potential developmental starters or better.
     
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    I don't really know where else to put this.

    With the progress he made as a pass catcher in 2020, the Packers should have Etienne on their board.

    I'm not saying he's who I want for them in the 1st round, but he should absolutely be in play.
     
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    Etienne for our position is gonna mean at 29 or trading up in the 2nd if he is there still.
     
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    So here's the aggregated list from the three guys put together:
    1. T. Lawrence, QB, CLEM
    2. J. Chase, WR, LSU
    3. K. Pitts, TE, FLA
    4. D. Smith, WR, UA
    5. P. Sewell, OT, OR
    6. R. Slater, OT, NW
    7. J. Waddle, WR, UA
    8. M. Parsons, LB, PSU
    9. P. Surtain, CB, UA
    10. Z. Wilson, QB, BYU
    11. C. Farley, CB, VTU
    12. J. Owusu-Koramoah, LB, ND
    13. J. Fields, QB, OSU
    14. T. Lance, QB, NDSU
    15. C. Darrisaw, OT, VTU
    16. A. Vera-Tucker, OL, USC
    17. T. Etienne, RB, CLEM
    18. J. Horn, CB, SC
    19. K. Paye, ED, UM
    20. G. Rousseau, ED, MIA
    21. N. Harris, RB, UA
    22. A. Ojulari, ED, UGA
    23. J. Oweh, ED, PSU
    24. C. Barmore, iDL, UA
    25. Z. Collins, LB, TUL
    26. K. Toney, WR, FLA
    27. T. Jenkins, OT, OKST
    28. J. Phillips, ED, MIA
    29. T. Moehrig, S, TCU
    30. N. Bolton, LB, MIZZ
    31. L. Dickerson, iOL, UA
    32. J. Mayfield, OL, UM
    33. J. Williams, RB, UNC
    34. G. Newsome, CB, NW
    35. T. Campbell, CB, UGA
    36. M. Jones, QB, UA
    37. L. Onwuzurike, iDL, UW
    38. J. Tryon, ED, UW
    39. T. Marshall, WR, LSU
    40. E. Moore, WR, MISS
    41. J. Ossai, ED, UT
    42. J. Davis, LB, UK
    43. E. Molden, CB, UW
    44. R. Bateman, WR, MIN
    45. L. Eichenberg, OT, ND
    46. A. Robinson, CB, UCF
    47. D. Nixon, iDL, IOWA
    48. P. Freiermuth, TE, PSU
    49. C. Basham, ED, WF
    50. A. Samuel, CB, FSU
     
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    Yeah, I think he would be a nice consolation prize at #29 if CB, WR, OT all get cleaned out.
     
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    I wouldn't be excited about the Packers using their first round pick on a running back after selecting Dillon in the second round last year.
     
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    I agree, I though do see the value of what Etienne could provide, but agree Gainwell, Kylin, Patterson, Felton or the Louisville kid im blanking on all can be had later and serve as Dillons compliment not competition for snaps.
     

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