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Does Daniels Make Raji Expendable?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Bagadeez04, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. HardRightEdge

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    I believe the term is sous-chef.

    Maybe "called up" is agent-speak for "sh*t on". As in, "I called up the general manager about his most recent contract offer."
     
  2. Bus Cook

    Bus Cook You're never alone with a schizophrenic

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    I meant called in like Raji has called in his games, as of late. So called in as in, didn't really give a sh!t
     
  3. Shawnsta3

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    /Thread over.
     
  4. DevilDon

    DevilDon Inclement Weather Fan

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    OK Buseroo, but what's the whole sue chef thingy?
    You're not happy unless you're unhappy are you Bus? I've never seen a poster who gets more enjoyment out of misery than you. The Packers just tied the franchise record for come from behind and you're not happy? Bus..... poor little Bus.... what would make you happy? The Packers and PackerForum want you happy for the playoffs (er, Christmas) what would it take?
    Is it even possible for you to like the Packers again? Would another SB win make you a fan again?
    Sad for you buddy! Really.
     
  5. Bus Cook

    Bus Cook You're never alone with a schizophrenic

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    Not sure what you found in my post that indicated that I was unhappy. I am currently in a perpetual state of rapture. People pay others to teach them to be as happy as I am. I get no enjoyment out of our misery, but I can spot misery and I call it as such. I'd be a fool to see misery and make excuses for it.
     
  6. fanindaup

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    You might love analogies, but yours is lost on me.
     
  7. DevilDon

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    If you consider yourself in a perpetual state of rapture then I guess I read you wrong. You are bipolar. You can't recognize that you complain continuously about those things you have no control over. I'm of the mind that you complain about the weather and traffic and how others raise their children.
    You get no enjoyment out of "our" misery? Where did you read I was miserable? I don't constantly complain about one of the most successful franchises in the NFL. I enjoy it. The only misery you are pointing out is your own Bus.
    You make no excuses for the misery, you invent it buddy.
     
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  8. Bus Cook

    Bus Cook You're never alone with a schizophrenic

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    How would that make me different from a person who cheers about things that he has no control over? It doesn't, but it goes with the turf of being a fan. Doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on. At the end of the day, Packers winning is all that counts. Ah, even though we both have no control over how it ends up.
     
  9. easyk83

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    I wouldn't disagree, I was merely arguing on behalf of his importance to the scheme. 8 Million sounded a little too rich to me as well.
     
  10. grignon

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    Unfortunately, I think Raji makes Raji expendable. A shame. At least we'll always have Chicago. :)
     
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  11. adambr2

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    He's not even overrated anymore. He's just terrible. $8M? I wouldn't pay him $2M.
     
  12. Baked

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    Nice PF Raji.
     
  13. Baked

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    I have 7 posts... why the **** can't I post in the stupid *** shoubox?
     
  14. Bagadeez04

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    You knowRaji has talent...I don't think he likes this system or something along those lines, but to his credit I don't think he's ever said anything like he's disgruntled with his role or wants to play in a 4-3. But he probably should. He's been a good soldier and done what he was supposed to do.

    Maybe a change in scenery will do him some good. He's not a bad guy...just doesn't deserve anywhere near$8 mill a year.

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  16. Bagadeez04

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  17. adambr2

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    I would love it if he went to the Vikings if they paid him that $8M. $17M tied up in 2 of our outcasts should keep them in the cellar for the foreseeable future.
     
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  18. D3uc3

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    Honestly Raji has made his self expendable demanding more than 8 mil per year after a productionless year he had his presence from this year was nothing short of damn near invisible, Daniels just makes losing him that much easier to say bye.
     
  19. Bagadeez04

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    I don't think he'd sign regardless of the offer...he wants to be able to do more within the defense. He has every right to choose to move on.

    Frankly this one's on Packers scouts and TT for not recognizing that he wouldn't be content eating up double teams his whole career. Pretty sure that was a concern when he was drafted...he might be a whole different player in the 4-3 (though it's unlikely as I'm pretty sure he played plenty in that sort of role in nickle packages etc).
     
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  20. El Guapo

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    GM's draft players with other positions and defenses in mind all of the time. 22 year-olds coming out of college are rarely content with changes. Recognizing that doesn't mean squat. Evaluating whether he could be successful in that role is the key. He was successful for a season, and then mentally checked out for the next three seasons. You might have better luck playing the blame game with Capers as the culprit for not finding other ways to play him that utilize his talents. TT and staff did a good job finding Raji.
     
  21. Bagadeez04

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    Settle down friend. This wasn't really a criticism of TT, it was more a criticism to those ripping on Raji. I don't blame Raji for wanting his abilities utilized better, you may as well blame TT for drafting him. You don't have to get all defensive of Ted...I like him too. :)
     
  22. TJV

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    None of us know for sure but I’ll bet if Russ Ball, upon hearing Raji’s agents first proposal, had stood up and extended his hand and said, ‘It’s a deal!’ Raji would be happy to stay with the Packers.
    What an credible stretch to blame Thompson and his staff. Go back and review Raji’s play from his rookie season. Then review the season he had in 2010 and his great contributions to that Super Bowl winning team. And if you still think Thompson was wrong to pick him, please tell us how Raji has been restrained from making those kinds of play from the end of the 2010 season until this season when his lack of production caused him to be removed from a lot of sub package snaps.

    I realize some will want to blame Thompson and some will want to blame the coaching staff but IMO the person mostly – almost entirely – to blame is BJ Raji himself.
     
  23. Bagadeez04

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    As stated before...you are being too sensitive to criticism of TT....I think all in all he's a great gm...sheesh!

    What I was trying to say was that if the guy wants to go somewhere else to play that's his prerogative...if you're gonna critisize him for not taking the Packers offer, then let's also critisize TT for drafting a guy who it was thought may have a problem just eating up blockers on the line. Neither of those are, in my opinion, fair criticisms.

    I think you might be a little quick to jump to the rescue of TT...maybe save it for when he's actually being criticised.
     
  24. adambr2

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    It's his prerogative to go play in a new system for a new team once he is a free agent. It's not his prerogative to quit and go through the motions near the end of his contract. If you're not happy in your system, play your tail off and earn a good deal elsewhere.

    Raji didn't do that. The evidence is pretty strong that he began to quit and take plays off as soon as Rodgers went down, and he wasn't able to disengage the single blockers he took on this year, much less eat up double teams.

    Raji had 39 tackles and 6.5 sacks in the same exact role in 2010. So what's changed about his role now where he can no longer make such plays? Yeah, he had Cullen Jenkins then...but he had Mike Daniels now. The scheme didn't hold BJ Raji back. BJ Raji held BJ Raji back.

    He really rolled the dice this year. He rolled the dice that he could earn a big deal based on his early-career reputation and hope GM's ignore the fact that he was a complete non-factor for an entire season and averaged barely a tackle a game and hasn't offered any interior presence in years. His next contract will reflect whether or not he's right about that, and he'll have to live with it either way.
     
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  25. TJV

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    I have not criticized Raji for not taking the Packers offer. In fact if he was offered anywhere near the $8M/year reported, I thank him for not taking it. I don't want him back for big money because he hasn't earned it since 2010. And here is what you posted, "Frankly this one's on Packers scouts and TT for not recognizing that he wouldn't be content eating up double teams his whole career. Pretty sure that was a concern when he was drafted..." First, that's an affirmative statement: It's on Thompson for drafting him. Second as I said before, look at his performance in 2009 and particularly in 2010. If he could still be that difference maker, the Packers would turn him loose. Same DC, same DL coach, same scheme. What's changed? Raji's performance. IOW, he had a lot of opportunities to get consistent pressure and sacks in 2011 and 2012. It was only this season that worked his way off of the sub packages. Third, before that draft I remember a lot of "experts" saying he'd excel as a NT. The only concern I remember was after wowing scouts at the Senior bowl, he didn't play that well in the game. So I would be interested in reading scouts saying he wouldn't want to eat up blocks as a 3-4 NT.
    I have criticized Thompson (for not acquiring a vet safety before this season and for screwing up the backup QB spot, for example) and have no problem with legit criticism of him. You just are not offering legit criticism and the proof is in the play of Raji his first two seasons, particularly 2010 when he made a significant contribution to the title. That's the player Thompson and his staff drafted. It's not their fault he no longer has that fire.
     

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