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Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Zero2Cool, Aug 31, 2006.

  1. all about da packers

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    Re: Florio: Sherman only?

    I think this topic really can't continue without comparision to TT/MS so I'll merge it with the existing TT thread. :)

    *MERGE*
     
  2. ahaug82

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    Wow...just....wow. Now I understand why you don't understand anything we are saying! It's not stubbornness, you just can't read.

    You and pyle just post "10-6 and 4-12, 10-6 and 4-12" over and over again, then we give you legitimate reasons why it happened and why it possibly couldn't have been avoided by TT and then you just reply with "10-6 and 4-12, 10-6 and 4-12. You don't even take 20 seconds of your time to read what we typed. And then you wonder why we repeat ourselves?

    God, it's like arguing with a brick wall. :wall:

    Edited by Porky at the end: Let's try to refrain from name calling
     
  3. WinnipegPackFan

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    It's time for a Spanking !!!

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  4. all about da packers

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    Re: It's time for a Spanking !!!

    Sorry Winni, I'm gonna have to merge this with the existing TT thread. :)
     
  5. all about da packers

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    Re: It's time for a Spanking !!!

    That is major funny though, the green gas and everything.
     
  6. DePack

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    Why edit, porky. I'd like to see what the genius called me. And believe me, if I or anybody else that supports Sherman called names it would come to more than an edit. First of all, I never typed what you said I typed. Apparently it is a-haug that can't read. Sherman's record as GM is 12-4,12-4,10-6,10-6. TT's is 4-12 and ????

    Make yourself look foolish and keep debating!!!!!

    And ripping pyle while he can't respond is typical. You KNOW he was banned for supporting Sherman.
     
  7. ahaug82

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    Let's all get overly excited over nothing, shall we?

    I didn't call you anything. I typed
    Notice the quotation marks. That wasn't even directed towards you. It shouldn't have been modded.

    Also, you just called me foolish for saying that you always respond to reason and logic with the records of the GMs. What do you do next? You post the records of the GMs. That's funny. :lol:

    And I didn't know pyle was banned because really, I don't care. I don't spend my life on packerforum.com and I'm not fully up to date with the goings on with all of the members. It doesn't matter, because that's not ripping him. It's simply stating what he does. Look back at in this thread and you'll see many instances where this actually happens.
     
  8. DePack

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    Have a nice day ahaug!!
     
  9. ahaug82

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    And to you too my friend. :wink:
     
  10. DePack

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    I wasn't being a wiseass....just my way of saying I'm done with the thread. I've always enjoyed your posts in the past!!
     
  11. warhawk

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    The problem here is that change is inevitable and yey many just won't except it.

    The fact that things have changed dramatically since MS first took over is ignored and when the facts come out they revert back to the "record" as a saving grace.

    When MS took over the reins the players he inherited were in their PRIME. Bubba, Green, Favre, Rivera(whom TT only got to see going out the door), were churning out All-Pro seasons.

    MS inherited the best offensive line in the NFL. TT inherited a problem. Some how, some way, with very little money he was stuck with fixing it. No way he keeps Rivera. There's a player that made the Pro-Bowl during MS' rein that TT couldn't touch.

    Many here attack TT and fault HIM for the 4-12 record of last year when in reality that was MS team. How much influence could any new GM have in the first year with $2 million bucks? Make no mistake the signiture at the bottom of the '05 roster was MS not TT.

    TT goes down as the GM of record in '05 but the identity of that team personnel-wise was, as it always is, the former GM's for the lions share.

    So some here don't like change. I would guess Brett and Bubba and William and Ahman would love to take some years off the table. But since that's not going to happen SOMEBODY is left to deal with how to handle it.
     
  12. DePack

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    So the same can be said for the Lombardi team, right. He won with Blackburn and McLean's players. It was their signatures on those teams.....not Lombardi's.


    Gimme a break.

    For every player that Wolf drafted MS could have gotten rid of his first year. He chose to keep them and he fielded winning teams. TT did the opposite and he is fielding a team that SO FAR is an embarassment. Well over half the players on this team are TT's choices. Sooner or later TT has to be treated like a big boy and take responsibility for this team. You guys wanna give him a 4 year built in excuse??? Enjoy it.
     
  13. ahaug82

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    I wasn't being a wiseass either. You said have a nice day and I returned the favor. :-?
     
  14. warhawk

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    A blatant attempt to obscure the point of the post. It was pointed directly at the '05 season that you want to continuously throw back in everybody's face as TT's doing when the personnel of that team was by a vast majority Ms's.
    The guy had no money to make any serious change in '05. Did he not stay with the Carrolls and Jacksons, and Romans, and Digg's, and Lenon, and Davenports and Flannigans?

    The only change was at guard which was, as pointed out, a problem he inherited, not one he created.

    You also never make mention of the fact that many of the key players were INJURED last year which contributed greatly to the outcome of the season.

    Stating MS COULD have gotten rid of of Wolf's players is untrue as well. Most were under long term contracts and in their prime so how and WHY would he do that anyways?
     
  15. porky88

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    MS kept Wolf's players because they were good. They made the roster and ended up starting sooner or later.

    TT is ridding Sherman's draft picks because they can't make the roster. There not that good. It's now 8 of 27 Draft picks with the recent release of Carroll that are actually on an NFL Team.

    So to think that if we kept all of Sherman's draft picks we'd be a better team when 19 of them are watching games just like you and me is a little ridiculous in that sense.

    I myself believe if no improvement is shown by next season then a change needs to be made. I don't have control over the team. I think TT is probably going to get 2 more years here. That just the feeling I get. The feeling I get he’ll rise and fall with Aaron Rodgers. If Rodgers emerges like a Rex Grossman has or a Carson Palmer has then this team is in good shape to be strong in the near future. If he fails that’s a huge set back and I think he could cost TT his job and McCarthy obviously as well.
     
  16. DePack

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    Yea because you can't just cut a guy......ala Ahmad Carroll......


    Sherman must have been a pretty good GM to recognize Wolf's players were pretty good!

    And yea Porky....if TT hadn't made any changes at all we would have a better record.

    Now go about your lives....you lost.... this thread is long enough. Be gone boys.
     
  17. ahaug82

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    :rotflmao:

    Brick wall. :wall:
     
  18. DePack

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    Tell me about it....frustrating as hell ain't it :wink:
     
  19. DakotaT

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    Most of the time it is entertaining. What else is there to do when things are bleak. You, Pyle, Anubis, and Lare make this whole forum fun!

    You mentioned the coach before Lombardi, just how old are you De? :lol: :wink:
     
  20. warhawk

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    Yeah, it kinda is Depack.

    You want fact so your given facts.

    Over 90% of the players on the '05 team were MS guys and yet the record you are so quick to draw on is all TT's fault. Maybe it was the coaching! Oh wait a minute that was MS as well. Better not go there.

    All you come back with is babble about how MS could have changed out Wolfs players as well and some nonsense about Lombardi. Neither have anything to do with the topic.

    The point is TT DIDN'T change MS's players out in '05 and we went 4-12. If anything I would think you would want to move past '05 since you ARE an MS fan considering he was on the sideline with all the players he had brought to the party when the ugly happened.
     
  21. warhawk

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    I just have a thing about giving credit where credits due and the same goes for blame.

    If your going to go on and on and on about Mike Shermans RECORD than be straight up about it.

    When it's essentially the same players and the same coach and the record shows 12-4 or 4-12 the guy gets the credit for the great season and takes responsibility for the bad one as well.

    Put all you want on TT for whatever happens in '06 and beyond. But don't put him in front of MS on the list for what happened in '05.
     
  22. porky88

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    That's not what I asked. Your twisting words. I mentioned just Sherman's draft picks. If they were going to make an impact on this team they certainly wouldn't of been cut but even if it was just a "stupid" mistake by Ted Thompson you'd think quality players like that would be picked up. That's not the case. If we want we can pick them up. There not in the NFL right now and that's why I highly doubt this team would be better with even the majority of those draft picks. There is a reason why they were release. They ended up being bad picks.

    Every NFL team changes year in and year out. If not then there would be no free agency or salary cap at all. That's what it was design for to create parity in the league.
     
  23. all about da packers

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    SOURCE.

    I'm mixed about this.

    First of all I like that TT is able to admit his mistake, even if to some degree.

    However, TT should have taken into account that "the foot is a complicated thing" as well as the fact that Blackmon needed a few weeks of practice to get up to speed on things before being read yo go out there, and placed him on PUP.

    Also, does anyone else get mixed signals here? TT says it is a new problem, but Blackmon says "it [the foot] simply isn't ready yet".

    Mixed signals? :-?
     
  24. packerfanfourever

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    Yes their are mixed signals their, it gets a little sicking seeing the injury report and he is always out. They might as well put him on injured reserve and open up his spot and put somebody in their who can play!
     
  25. DePack

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    Where is this weeks scapegoat

    Now that Carroll is gone who will be this weeks scapegoat? Somebody has to go to keep the heat off Thompson. How about Sanders? Last week we played with ten men on the field twice.

    "We will fix that"...this week our defense played with ten guys on the field only once and had 12 men on the field twice which cost us a timeout and a penalty that was declined because we couldn't even stop them with 12.

    This kind of crap is inexcusable for a high school team. Last week it was inexcusable. This week it is flat out embarassing.
     

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