Bye Bye J-Walk

[Zero2Cool]

It's a mixture of everything including Favre. Had Favre kept his mouth shut I think Walker would of came back to Green Bay if the money was right. Seems like after Favre said what he did, Walker wanted nothing to do with Favre or the Packers. I remember his grandpa released a statement saying Javon isn't to fond of Brett any longer. So that tells you something right there.

I think Ted Thompson made a mistake in not extending him then. I think he probably should've knowing what we know now.

Finally Javon is to blame as well. He did not go about this the right way. He could of went to the management and said I want a raise. I believe I'm worth more money but I'm not going to holdout on you guys. I'm not going to say I'm going to holdout either. I'll be at work and I'll play but I think I need a raise. He should’ve did what Al Harris and Donald Driver did.

Instead, Javon went on Rome is Burning, to Michael Smith, to other reporters, espn, and said I want a raise or I'm going to holdout. Was that Javon's fault? Yes he said it. Was he really the one that came up with the plan? I doubt that. In fact his agent probably was the one who told him to say that.

Who was his agent? Drew Rosenhaus. So where is his name on the poll? Overall not just one thing is to blame for the debacle. Javon Walker, Ted Thompson, Drew Rosenhaus, Front Office, and some of the fans. Polls here in Green Bay showed that the fans were behind Ted Thompson. So plenty is to blame but it's over and done with. Don't dwell in the past. Move on.

Good job painting the obvious

And move on? Don't ever mention anything about the past again because you know, MOVE ON!

 

[Zombieslayer]

This poll is badly missing a 4th option - The Anti-Christ, I mean Drew Rosenhaus.

Everything was fine at the Walker household until his evil agent got greedy and put evil thoughts into his head. The temptation was too much, and Walker finally gave in.

I bet you that if you hit Rosenhaus with Holy Water, he'd lose 1-6 hit points.

On a serious note though, I really do think it's his agent.

 

[pack_in_black]

This poll is badly missing a 4th option - The Anti-Christ, I mean Drew Rosenhaus.

Everything was fine at the Walker household until his evil agent got greedy and put evil thoughts into his head. The temptation was too much, and Walker finally gave in.

I bet you that if you hit Rosenhaus with Holy Water, he'd lose 1-6 hit points.

On a serious note though, I really do think it's his agent.

For God's sake, people. I addressed this already. Javon CHOSE HIS AGENT!!!! He knew the kind of business the Rosie conducts, and signed with him anyway. Yes, the new contract was probably Drew's idea. But signing with him was Javon's choice. You are responsible for who your representatives are, and the ideas they put in your susceptible head.

 

[wpr]

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[Zero2Cool]

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Is it over yet?

The intelligence of opening up a thread only to complain about its existence is hilarious, not to mention the fact that posting only bumps the thread back to the top.

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[warhawk]

dhpackr wrote:

So.......if a guy like B. Jackson comes in and has a huge year, say he rushes for 1100 yards has 55 catches and 10 TD's, and then holds out b/c he says he outplayed his rookie deal, you say cut him loose and trade him for another 2nd round draft pick. say a tackle that you force to play gaurd?! right?[/quote]

Fine, except Walker didn't have a huge rookie year. He didn't have a huge second year. Average. Jennings had more receptions in his rookie year on one leg than Walker had in his second season.

All the while getting paid big bucks on a front loaded contract by a team that went out on a limb when most thought he was picked way to early. You may not remember this but there was talk of this kid not even making the final roster his rookie year. He was not very good and dropped passes right in his hands.

Many had him a bust. The Pack sticks with him, he comes around and becomes a player, and, after finally producing something close to what he was paid over three years, sticks his middle finger in their face.

Sure. Let's just redo his deal. Why not? We overpaid him muchly the first two years when he averaged about 2.1 receptions a game. Why stop now?

To answer your question above. I don't care if BJackson rushes for 2000 yards this year. He better remember the Pack went out on a limb and picked him when they did. Something Walker forgot. Well, he probably DIDN'T foget, just chose not to remember.

 

[wpr]

Yeah Z2C I know that. Curiosity got the better of me.
I actually read about half way down the list before it occurred to me that I really didn't care and fell asleep.

Of course insurance agents are not well known for their intelligence any way.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Yeah Z2C I know that. Curiosity got the better of me.
I actually read about half way down the list before it occurred to me that I really didn't care and fell asleep.

Of course insurance agents are not well known for their intelligence any way.

lol ... i hear ya ... i do the same thing man. ill read the topic an be like '**** not again' but yet my ******* reads it anyway

 

[dhpackr]

Fine, except Walker didn't have a huge rookie year. He didn't have a huge second year. Average. Jennings had more receptions in his rookie year on one leg than Walker had in his second season.

All the while getting paid big bucks on a front loaded contract by a team that went out on a limb when most thought he was picked way to early. You may not remember this but there was talk of this kid not even making the final roster his rookie year. He was not very good and dropped passes right in his hands.

Many had him a bust. The Pack sticks with him, he comes around and becomes a player, and, after finally producing something close to what he was paid over three years, sticks his middle finger in their face.

Sure. Let's just redo his deal. Why not? We overpaid him muchly the first two years when he averaged about 2.1 receptions a game. Why stop now?

To answer your question above. I don't care if BJackson rushes for 2000 yards this year. He better remember the Pack went out on a limb and picked him when they did. Something Walker forgot. Well, he probably DIDN'T foget, just chose not to remember.

Javon Walker had two big seasons in GB. Not one. One year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard a catch avg, then the next year he had 1300 yards receiving, he had more than 1 good season, he had two. Javon did not have a huge rookie year, his 2nd year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard per catch avg. Then his third year he led the packers in receiving, and last year he led the broncos in receiving, so that's three big seasons, and this year he will lead his team in receiving. sorry, but you are wrong about javon only having one good season as a packer, and after this year it will be 4 solid seasons. wake up people! we lost a pro-bowl wide out.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Fine, except Walker didn't have a huge rookie year. He didn't have a huge second year. Average. Jennings had more receptions in his rookie year on one leg than Walker had in his second season.

All the while getting paid big bucks on a front loaded contract by a team that went out on a limb when most thought he was picked way to early. You may not remember this but there was talk of this kid not even making the final roster his rookie year. He was not very good and dropped passes right in his hands.

Many had him a bust. The Pack sticks with him, he comes around and becomes a player, and, after finally producing something close to what he was paid over three years, sticks his middle finger in their face.

Sure. Let's just redo his deal. Why not? We overpaid him muchly the first two years when he averaged about 2.1 receptions a game. Why stop now?

To answer your question above. I don't care if BJackson rushes for 2000 yards this year. He better remember the Pack went out on a limb and picked him when they did. Something Walker forgot. Well, he probably DIDN'T foget, just chose not to remember.

Javon Walker had two big seasons in GB. Not one. One year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard a catch avg, then the next year he had 1300 yards receiving, he had more than 1 good season, he had two. Javon did not have a huge rookie year, his 2nd year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard per catch avg. Then his third year he led the packers in receiving, and last year he led the broncos in receiving, so that's three big seasons, and this year he will lead his team in receiving. sorry, but you are wrong about javon only having one good season as a packer, and after this year it will be 4 solid seasons. wake up people! we lost a pro-bowl wide out.

41 catches and 9 TD's is not a BIG season. He's had one big season as a Packer. One. Not two, One.

No one is saying we did NOT lose a Pro Bowl receiver. I'm not understanding where or who you are trying to argue with here. Everyone knows Javon is a stud, everyone would have rather him shut his mouth, wait like most players do to get compensated and still be a Packer.

That did not happen. He had one good year and wanted to cash in on it. It's really that simple. He was right that he deserved a raise, but only after producing a second solid season and you know what, if he hadn't gotten injured I bet the Packers would have re-done his contract or added years to it to keep him.

He was immature and it cost him a spot in the hearts of most Packer fans. Javon controlled his mouth, not Ted, not Drew (although I think Drew fueled the fire), not Brett. No, it was Javon. I'd much rather blame Ted than my favorite WR, but I'm not that naive. Not today anyhow. Not today.

 

[dhpackr]

Fine, except Walker didn't have a huge rookie year. He didn't have a huge second year. Average. Jennings had more receptions in his rookie year on one leg than Walker had in his second season.

All the while getting paid big bucks on a front loaded contract by a team that went out on a limb when most thought he was picked way to early. You may not remember this but there was talk of this kid not even making the final roster his rookie year. He was not very good and dropped passes right in his hands.

Many had him a bust. The Pack sticks with him, he comes around and becomes a player, and, after finally producing something close to what he was paid over three years, sticks his middle finger in their face.

Sure. Let's just redo his deal. Why not? We overpaid him muchly the first two years when he averaged about 2.1 receptions a game. Why stop now?

To answer your question above. I don't care if BJackson rushes for 2000 yards this year. He better remember the Pack went out on a limb and picked him when they did. Something Walker forgot. Well, he probably DIDN'T foget, just chose not to remember.

Javon Walker had two big seasons in GB. Not one. One year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard a catch avg, then the next year he had 1300 yards receiving, he had more than 1 good season, he had two. Javon did not have a huge rookie year, his 2nd year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard per catch avg. Then his third year he led the packers in receiving, and last year he led the broncos in receiving, so that's three big seasons, and this year he will lead his team in receiving. sorry, but you are wrong about javon only having one good season as a packer, and after this year it will be 4 solid seasons. wake up people! we lost a pro-bowl wide out.

41 catches and 9 TD's is not a BIG season. He's had one big season as a Packer. One. Not two, One.

No one is saying we did NOT lose a Pro Bowl receiver. I'm not understanding where or who you are trying to argue with here. Everyone knows Javon is a stud, everyone would have rather him shut his mouth, wait like most players do to get compensated and still be a Packer.

That did not happen. He had one good year and wanted to cash in on it. It's really that simple. He was right that he deserved a raise, but only after producing a second solid season and you know what, if he hadn't gotten injured I bet the Packers would have re-done his contract or added years to it to keep him.

He was immature and it cost him a spot in the hearts of most Packer fans. Javon controlled his mouth, not Ted, not Drew (although I think Drew fueled the fire), not Brett. No, it was Javon. I'd much rather blame Ted than my favorite WR, but I'm not that naive. Not today anyhow. Not today.

WRONG 40 catches 9 TD 715 yrds and a 17.5 yard avg per catch is an excellent season for a 2nd year WR, end of story, Javon Walker out played his rookie contract and he deserved a raise.javon led the Packers in receiving two years in a row, and that is a fact backed up by the stats. if youwant to say walker was run out of GB for running his mouth fine. But Javon outplayed his rookie deal by leading the team in receing two years in a row.
2003 he had a 17.5 yard avg, which led the team
2004 he outright was the leading WR, get it. this is the facts. he just kept getting better. Javon deserved a raise, and TT blew it by letting this guy out of GB!

 

[Zero2Cool]

Fine, except Walker didn't have a huge rookie year. He didn't have a huge second year. Average. Jennings had more receptions in his rookie year on one leg than Walker had in his second season.

All the while getting paid big bucks on a front loaded contract by a team that went out on a limb when most thought he was picked way to early. You may not remember this but there was talk of this kid not even making the final roster his rookie year. He was not very good and dropped passes right in his hands.

Many had him a bust. The Pack sticks with him, he comes around and becomes a player, and, after finally producing something close to what he was paid over three years, sticks his middle finger in their face.

Sure. Let's just redo his deal. Why not? We overpaid him muchly the first two years when he averaged about 2.1 receptions a game. Why stop now?

To answer your question above. I don't care if BJackson rushes for 2000 yards this year. He better remember the Pack went out on a limb and picked him when they did. Something Walker forgot. Well, he probably DIDN'T foget, just chose not to remember.

Javon Walker had two big seasons in GB. Not one. One year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard a catch avg, then the next year he had 1300 yards receiving, he had more than 1 good season, he had two. Javon did not have a huge rookie year, his 2nd year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard per catch avg. Then his third year he led the packers in receiving, and last year he led the broncos in receiving, so that's three big seasons, and this year he will lead his team in receiving. sorry, but you are wrong about javon only having one good season as a packer, and after this year it will be 4 solid seasons. wake up people! we lost a pro-bowl wide out.

41 catches and 9 TD's is not a BIG season. He's had one big season as a Packer. One. Not two, One.

No one is saying we did NOT lose a Pro Bowl receiver. I'm not understanding where or who you are trying to argue with here. Everyone knows Javon is a stud, everyone would have rather him shut his mouth, wait like most players do to get compensated and still be a Packer.

That did not happen. He had one good year and wanted to cash in on it. It's really that simple. He was right that he deserved a raise, but only after producing a second solid season and you know what, if he hadn't gotten injured I bet the Packers would have re-done his contract or added years to it to keep him.

He was immature and it cost him a spot in the hearts of most Packer fans. Javon controlled his mouth, not Ted, not Drew (although I think Drew fueled the fire), not Brett. No, it was Javon. I'd much rather blame Ted than my favorite WR, but I'm not that naive. Not today anyhow. Not today.

WRONG 40 catches 9 TD 715 yrds and a 17.5 yard avg per catch is an excellent season for a 2nd year WR, end of story, Javon Walker out played his rookie contract and he deserved a raise.javon led the Packers in receiving two years in a row, and that is a fact backed up by the stats. if youwant to say walker was run out of GB for running his mouth fine. But Javon outplayed his rookie deal by leading the team in receing two years in a row.
2003 he had a 17.5 yard avg, which led the team
2004 he outright was the leading WR, get it. this is the facts. he just kept getting better. Javon deserved a raise, and TT blew it by letting this guy out of GB!

You can't even get the stats right, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

You are wrong and you prove as such with each continuing post on the issue.


41 catches and 9 TD's is not a BIG season. He's had one big season as a Packer. One. Not two, One.

No one is saying we did NOT lose a Pro Bowl receiver. I'm not understanding where or who you are trying to argue with here. Everyone knows Javon is a stud, everyone would have rather him shut his mouth, wait like most players do to get compensated and still be a Packer.

That did not happen. He had one good year and wanted to cash in on it. It's really that simple. He was right that he deserved a raise, but only after producing a second solid season and you know what, if he hadn't gotten injured I bet the Packers would have re-done his contract or added years to it to keep him.

He was immature and it cost him a spot in the hearts of most Packer fans. Javon controlled his mouth, not Ted, not Drew (although I think Drew fueled the fire), not Brett. No, it was Javon. I'd much rather blame Ted than my favorite WR, but I'm not that naive. Not today anyhow. Not today.

 

[wpr]

While Walker lead GB in yards in 2003 it means very little when compared to the receiving stats for the years that surround it. 2003 was a down year for passing yards in GB. When looking at Walker's stats, his 716 yards would not have led the team in any other of the past 10 seasons. The 17.5 yards per catch is a solid number but that is in part attributed to his low number of receptions. His numbers in 2003 are comparable to Bradford's in 1999, Schroeder's in 2001 and Jennings' in 2006.
They are decent season's but nothing to make a team want to renegotiate a contract over.
The only year that Walker had that was special was 2004 and you don't get a new contract for 1 year.
As Zero says, Packer fans know that they lost a Pro Bowl caliber player but he should not have gone about it the way he did.


1998 Freeman receptions 84 yards 1424 avg 17.0 tds 14
1999 Freeman 74- 1074- 14.5- 6
Schroeder 74- 1051- 14.2- 5
Bradford 37- 637- 17.2- 5
2000 Green 73- 559- 7.7- 3
Schroeder 65- 999- 15.4- 4
Freeman 62- 912- 14.7- 9
2001 Green 62- 594- 9.6- 2
Schroeder 53- 918- 17.3- 9
Freeman 52- 818- 15.7- 6
2002 Driver 70- 1064- 15.2- 9
Green 57- 393- 6.9- 2
Glenn 56- 817- 14.6- 2
2003 Driver 52- 621- 11.9- 2
Green 50- 367- 7.3- 5
Walker 41- 716- 17.5- 9
2004 Walker 89- 1382- 15.5- 12
Driver 84- 1208- 14.4- 9
2005 Driver 86- 1221- 14.2- 5
Chatman 49- 549- 11.2- 4
2006 Driver 92- 1295- 14.2- 8
Jennings 45- 632- 14.0- 3

 

[dhpackr]

Fine, except Walker didn't have a huge rookie year. He didn't have a huge second year. Average. Jennings had more receptions in his rookie year on one leg than Walker had in his second season.

All the while getting paid big bucks on a front loaded contract by a team that went out on a limb when most thought he was picked way to early. You may not remember this but there was talk of this kid not even making the final roster his rookie year. He was not very good and dropped passes right in his hands.

Many had him a bust. The Pack sticks with him, he comes around and becomes a player, and, after finally producing something close to what he was paid over three years, sticks his middle finger in their face.

Sure. Let's just redo his deal. Why not? We overpaid him muchly the first two years when he averaged about 2.1 receptions a game. Why stop now?

To answer your question above. I don't care if BJackson rushes for 2000 yards this year. He better remember the Pack went out on a limb and picked him when they did. Something Walker forgot. Well, he probably DIDN'T foget, just chose not to remember.

Javon Walker had two big seasons in GB. Not one. One year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard a catch avg, then the next year he had 1300 yards receiving, he had more than 1 good season, he had two. Javon did not have a huge rookie year, his 2nd year he led the team with nearly an 18 yard per catch avg. Then his third year he led the packers in receiving, and last year he led the broncos in receiving, so that's three big seasons, and this year he will lead his team in receiving. sorry, but you are wrong about javon only having one good season as a packer, and after this year it will be 4 solid seasons. wake up people! we lost a pro-bowl wide out.

41 catches and 9 TD's is not a BIG season. He's had one big season as a Packer. One. Not two, One.

No one is saying we did NOT lose a Pro Bowl receiver. I'm not understanding where or who you are trying to argue with here. Everyone knows Javon is a stud, everyone would have rather him shut his mouth, wait like most players do to get compensated and still be a Packer.

That did not happen. He had one good year and wanted to cash in on it. It's really that simple. He was right that he deserved a raise, but only after producing a second solid season and you know what, if he hadn't gotten injured I bet the Packers would have re-done his contract or added years to it to keep him.

He was immature and it cost him a spot in the hearts of most Packer fans. Javon controlled his mouth, not Ted, not Drew (although I think Drew fueled the fire), not Brett. No, it was Javon. I'd much rather blame Ted than my favorite WR, but I'm not that naive. Not today anyhow. Not today.

WRONG 40 catches 9 TD 715 yrds and a 17.5 yard avg per catch is an excellent season for a 2nd year WR, end of story, Javon Walker out played his rookie contract and he deserved a raise.javon led the Packers in receiving two years in a row, and that is a fact backed up by the stats. if youwant to say walker was run out of GB for running his mouth fine. But Javon outplayed his rookie deal by leading the team in receing two years in a row.
2003 he had a 17.5 yard avg, which led the team
2004 he outright was the leading WR, get it. this is the facts. he just kept getting better. Javon deserved a raise, and TT blew it by letting this guy out of GB!

You can't even get the stats right, how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

You are wrong and you prove as such with each continuing post on the issue.


41 catches and 9 TD's is not a BIG season. He's had one big season as a Packer. One. Not two, One.

No one is saying we did NOT lose a Pro Bowl receiver. I'm not understanding where or who you are trying to argue with here. Everyone knows Javon is a stud, everyone would have rather him shut his mouth, wait like most players do to get compensated and still be a Packer.

That did not happen. He had one good year and wanted to cash in on it. It's really that simple. He was right that he deserved a raise, but only after producing a second solid season and you know what, if he hadn't gotten injured I bet the Packers would have re-done his contract or added years to it to keep him.

He was immature and it cost him a spot in the hearts of most Packer fans. Javon controlled his mouth, not Ted, not Drew (although I think Drew fueled the fire), not Brett. No, it was Javon. I'd much rather blame Ted than my favorite WR, but I'm not that naive. Not today anyhow. Not today.

WTF are you babaling about?
Walkers stats for 2003 are right. 41 catches, 715 yards, 9TD and a 17.5 yard avg, which led the team, those are the stats and the facts. period. Javon led GB in receiving two years in a row, and he outplayed his rookie deal aand deserved a raise. we lost out on a top-notch player cause he opened his mouth, are you serious?
I bet the farm Walker gets a Superbowl ring before the packers do. and when Walker plays another 10 years , goes to the HOF, Packers fans can scratch their head and say, damn, we let that guy go 'cause he opened his mouth when he outplayed his rookie deal, and TT, decided screw you kid we aint payin you!
10 years from now Walker will be going into the HOF and TT will be nothing more than a faded memory like Dan Devine. TT will always be remembered as the guy who sold out the Packers.
Watch the probowl this year, when you see Walker , Green, and Wahle in the probowl, tthank your GM for letting these guys out of the Packers.

 

[Zero2Cool]

WTF are you babaling about?
Walkers stats for 2003 are right. 41 catches, 715 yards, 9TD and a 17.5 yard avg, which led the team, those are the stats and the facts. period. Javon led GB in receiving two years in a row, and he outplayed his rookie deal aand deserved a raise. we lost out on a top-notch player cause he opened his mouth, are you serious?
I bet the farm Walker gets a Superbowl ring before the packers do. and when Walker plays another 10 years , goes to the HOF, Packers fans can scratch their head and say, damn, we let that guy go 'cause he opened his mouth when he outplayed his rookie deal, and TT, decided screw you kid we aint payin you!
10 years from now Walker will be going into the HOF and TT will be nothing more than a faded memory like Dan Devine. TT will always be remembered as the guy who sold out the Packers.
Watch the probowl this year, when you see Walker , Green, and Wahle in the probowl, tthank your GM for letting these guys out of the Packers.

So many flaws, I'm not sure where to start.
Walker will not be going into the HoF in ten years. Javon will most likely play another 7 or so years, then when he retires he has to wait the mandatory 5 year period before being considered for HoF induction.

'cause he opened his mouth...' <-- that comment made me laugh.

I will not watch the Pro Bowl, I do not care for it. I haven't since the last time Barry Sanders played and I only watched it then because it gave me another opportunity to see my favorite player in action another time.

I believe Donald Driver had more catches, but you would be right on the TD's and Yards. If I remember right Ferguson wasn't too far behind in catches.


You can hold your opinion, that's splendid. I, however, prefer to go on facts and logical reasoning over a hotheads opinion. :rotflmao:

Do these names mean anything to you?
Aaron Kampman
Al Harris
Donald Driver

 

[agopackgo4]

Just out of curiosity, why is this question relevant? Whats done is done isnt it?

 

[agopackgo4]

At any rate I dont blame Javon for wanting more money! He certainly deserved it. But I dont blame favre for speaking out. I blame TT

 

[Zero2Cool]

At any rate I dont blame Javon for wanting more money! He certainly deserved it. But I dont blame favre for speaking out. I blame TT

There's a big difference between wanting more money and going about getting it the wrong way.

Even though I'm not a huge fan of Ted, I know too much to think he's at fault more than Javon.