Bye Bye J-Walk

[pack_in_black]

Ok Here's the issue:


When Walker was traded to Denver, GB no doubt lost a pro-bowl caliber, albeit injured/recovering, but talented nonetheless.

The question has been raised, once again, about who is to blame for the relationship that so quickly soured.

I blame all three, but mostly lay it on Walker's shoulders. He had one good season. One. That's never worthy of a new contract, imo.

 

[pack_in_black]

WRONG, GO TO THE BRONCOS WEBSITE. there are photos of walker making catches and articles of Walker owning Baily, that's how good Walker is. Also Javon is very humble when talking to the press and fans. TT messed up plain and simple. end of story
here is the link
and it is one on one
blog.denverbroncos.com...g-session/

Ummm, beating a corner by outjumping him on a fade can hardly be considered "owning" him, as you put it. Thanks for giving me a link to one catch in an entire training camp(says day 3 on the website, I was at day 4 or 5 I think) as your backup for such a statement.

Fact is, Walker can outjump just about anyone. That's not a sign of dominance, that's just one of the traits.

 

[tromadz]

Can't we move on from this?

 

[pack_in_black]

It was something brought up in another thread that I thought was a ridiculous argument, so this was made to clear up good threads.


The poll is because polls are fun, and I like makiing/answering them.

 

[Pack93z]

Can't we move on from this?

Naaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

It was a combination of Javon himself and the Front Office/GM. The front office/GM was going through a ton of change. Javon's contract got stuck in the middle of the power shift. Then Javon took a selfish stance within his business. Even then I think there probably would have been some middle ground... much like Briggs deal in Chicago. He said the same, "I will never play their again."

The icing was Favre calling him out, like it or not, it is what every fan wish they could say.

It is gone down and over with. I am not the biggest Ted fan, but to hang it all on him is incorrect.

 

[digsthepack]

Bottom line...Walker went to the press and threw a tantrum. Regardless of his talent, he is a little child with a 9 score on the wonderlic. Immaturity and stupidity are a scary combination.

Walker was caried for several year, at big dollars, to become the player he eventuially did...basically being paid handsomely to under-perform. Then after one great season, he is going to ***** slap the team that carried his *** for years.

Sorry, I don't care about the talent. In today's game, chemistry, and selflessness are more important than one very gifted player...because this very same scenario can play out EVERY YEAR, as GM's break the bank...throwing superstar money at above average free agents. You wanna deal with that annually because one crybaby was accomodated? Not me.

**** Walker....break a leg..literally.

 

[Zero2Cool]

I put the blame on my favorite WR for the most part. Yes, he deserved a raise. He went about it wrong.

Let's say he told management he wanted a raise, or even asked for one and they declined. He should be a man about it and deal with it. Pump out another year of great play and again address getting a raise.

I wasn't behind closed doors. I don't know what was said by the Packers, but I do know they wanted to keep him, but did not want to set a precedent for other rookies to whine about their contracts and have the mentality of 'well you did it for Javon, why not me? why the disrespect towards me?'

I do put partial blame on the management for not making Javon more comfortable that he would be taken care of and let it get to the point that it did.

I'd say 75% Javon, 25% stupid management.

If you look at it as a whole, its logical. He whined his way out of GB and it ****ing sucks. I wish somethig would have been done behind closed doors like "hey listen Javon, we WILL pay you, but see it from our view, if we pay you now, we will have to redo other contracts all the time after jus one good year. we will take care of you after this season, do not worry about that we do not want to lose a player like you"


Hell, who knows. Maybe that was said and Javon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus said that wasn't good enough and brain washed Javon.


I notice Drew wasn't an option and I feel he could have been a key proponent in the negative progress of Javon remaining in GB.

 

[warhawk]

Can't we move on from this?

Bump

 

[warhawk]

I don't really agree that he deserved a raise Zero.

IF he hadn't have gotten most his money in the first three years than maybe so. It LOOKED like he was getting the short end but he was way overpaid his first two years.

 

[hoos]

While I agree that Walker didn't do himself any favors, its clear that Ted chose not to bring him back. His big stance was that management doesn't renegotiate deals with more than one year left on them, yet he did so for Driver.

 

[pack_in_black]

Hell, who knows. Maybe that was said and Javon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus said that wasn't good enough and brain washed Javon.


I notice Drew wasn't an option and I feel he could have been a key proponent in the negative progress of Javon remaining in GB.

In all cases, I believe Agent=player represented and player represented=Agent.

Javon chose Drew Rosenhaus, and he chose to follow his advice. It was Javon, not Rosie, who addressed the problem in front of a mess of cameras.

 

[Danreb]

But the first year he complained he came back and didn't question anything.

What got to me was that he had the balls to talk **** after he was the one who broke his own leg and get called for pass interference.

Talk about a double whammy.

 

[dhpackr]

WRONG, GO TO THE BRONCOS WEBSITE. there are photos of walker making catches and articles of Walker owning Baily, that's how good Walker is. Also Javon is very humble when talking to the press and fans. TT messed up plain and simple. end of story
here is the link
and it is one on one
blog.denverbroncos.com...g-session/

Ummm, beating a corner by outjumping him on a fade can hardly be considered "owning" him, as you put it. Thanks for giving me a link to one catch in an entire training camp(says day 3 on the website, I was at day 4 or 5 I think) as your backup for such a statement.

Fact is, Walker can outjump just about anyone. That's not a sign of dominance, that's just one of the traits.

if you took the time to read some of the other days of training camp, there were several other instances of walker beating out champ baily. the example i gave was specifically a one -on- one drill where Walker beat baily out for a pass. You said this was not possible, and i just provided a link to prove you wrong.

and its a sign of the type of player a HOF QB should be throwing to.

 

[dhpackr]

If TT offered J-Walk the deal TT gave Woodson, then Walker would be a Packer

 

[dhpackr]

Can't we move on from this?

you can, its real simple, just ignore the thread and move on. simple

 

[dhpackr]

I put the blame on my favorite WR for the most part. Yes, he deserved a raise. He went about it wrong.

Let's say he told management he wanted a raise, or even asked for one and they declined. He should be a man about it and deal with it. Pump out another year of great play and again address getting a raise.

I wasn't behind closed doors. I don't know what was said by the Packers, but I do know they wanted to keep him, but did not want to set a precedent for other rookies to whine about their contracts and have the mentality of 'well you did it for Javon, why not me? why the disrespect towards me?'

I do put partial blame on the management for not making Javon more comfortable that he would be taken care of and let it get to the point that it did.

I'd say 75% Javon, 25% stupid management.

If you look at it as a whole, its logical. He whined his way out of GB and it ****ing sucks. I wish somethig would have been done behind closed doors like "hey listen Javon, we WILL pay you, but see it from our view, if we pay you now, we will have to redo other contracts all the time after jus one good year. we will take care of you after this season, do not worry about that we do not want to lose a player like you"


Hell, who knows. Maybe that was said and Javon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus said that wasn't good enough and brain washed Javon.


I notice Drew wasn't an option and I feel he could have been a key proponent in the negative progress of Javon remaining in GB.

So.......if a guy like B. Jackson comes in and has a huge year, say he rushes for 1100 yards has 55 catches and 10 TD's, and then holds out b/c he says he outplayed his rookie deal, you say cut him loose and trade him for another 2nd round draft pick. say a tackle that you force to play gaurd?! right?

 

[pack_in_black]

So.......if a guy like B. Jackson comes in and has a huge year, say he rushes for 1100 yards has 55 catches and 10 TD's, and then holds out b/c he says he outplayed his rookie deal, you say cut him loose and trade him for another 2nd round draft pick. say a tackle that you force to play gaurd?! right?

No. If he has a stellar year, he'll play his second year of his rookie contract out, like almost every rookie ever has. I can't think of anyone who has done that.

Now, if Jackson were to have that year, then break a knee in week one of his 2nd year, then ask for a new deal, then go to the press 3 days later and complain, then when your favorite HOF QB mentions that he should get his crybaby @$$ into camp, and he then retorted saying that he would 'never play in GB again'.... Then yeah, I'd say get his butt outta here, and cut our losses. Especially if we can land a huge-potential receiver(who helps precious Favre) and an all-rookie guard who will eventually replace our aging left tackle.

 

[Packnic]

If TT offered J-Walk the deal TT gave Woodson, then Walker would be a Packer

first of all, walker wasnt the player Woodson is. He had ONE good year.
He got injured and he was a loud mouth. What part of that screams sign me.

Think about like a team owner for once. You have a good looking prospect. He comes out has a lack luster rookie campaign, no big deal. then comes out and has a stellar year, then breaks his leg and has no year. What part of that makes you want to throw tons of money at him at all? not to mention if you throw money at him, you have to throw money at everyone else when they demand. Bottom line is J-Walk screwed up the whole thing.

Shut your mouth, play out your contract, play hard and you will be rewarded accordingly... just like Donald Driver just got. The extensions that Driver got and the deals signed by Pickett and Woodson are big money that would have satisfied Walker. However his dumb *** came in demanding money and screwed himself. Management cant just pay someone more money because they ask, because where does it stop. Walker tied his own hands.

A 9 on the Wonderlic test was a great indicator of his moves to date. stupid.

 

[dhpackr]

If TT offered J-Walk the deal TT gave Woodson, then Walker would be a Packer

first of all, walker wasnt the player Woodson is. He had ONE good year.
He got injured and he was a loud mouth. What part of that screams sign me.

Javon Walker led his team in receiving last year, so he has had more than 1 good season. Not only that, watch him have another huge year this year

Think about like a team owner for once. You have a good looking prospect. He comes out has a lack luster rookie campaign, no big deal. then comes out and has a stellar year, then breaks his leg and has no year. What part of that makes you want to throw tons of money at him at all? not to mention if you throw money at him, you have to throw money at everyone else when they demand. Bottom line is J-Walk screwed up the whole thing.

Shut your mouth, play out your contract, play hard and you will be rewarded accordingly... just like Donald Driver just got. The extensions that Driver got and the deals signed by Pickett and Woodson are big money that would have satisfied Walker. However his dumb *** came in demanding money and screwed himself. Management cant just pay someone more money because they ask, because where does it stop. Walker tied his own hands.

A 9 on the Wonderlic test was a great indicator of his moves to date. stupid.

and really Javon had two good seasons in GB, in 2003 his avg per catch was the highest on the team & 2004 he led the team in receiving. So, as a GM I'd say I got this kid who is gonna be a star, he can go up and get the ball like noone else in the NFL. I got a solid RB, a talented O line, a great WR to compliment my big WRer, and I got a HOF QB , who can get the ball downfeild, I'm signing these guys, and this is my nucleous for my championship team. Kinda like Indy took care of Peyton.

 

[pack_in_black]

if you took the time to read some of the other days of training camp, there were several other instances of walker beating out champ baily. the example i gave was specifically a one -on- one drill where Walker beat baily out for a pass. You said this was not possible, and i just provided a link to prove you wrong.

and its a sign of the type of player a HOF QB should be throwing to.

sorry, I did take some time to read other days, just not all day. Couldn't find any other mention of it, but I did look more into it.


I'm not arguing whether or not he's good. He is a pro-bowl caliber WR. No doubt. Just don't try telling me he owns the best corner in the league, cause he doesn't. Believe me. I live here, I see it, Champ would lock him down in game situations.


The real issue is that most people blame Walker for his departure, but you insist that TT intentionally let him go, supposedly because of a desire to rid GB of Favre.

Fact is, we had two bad years, Brett stuck around, and now he has a stellar, young defense stopping opponents for him, a solid, experienced o-line with good chemistry protecting him, and a slew of young, talented, keep-your-mouth-shut-and-play receivers going after his balls.( :twisted: ) TT is building a team. And Walker got himself off of it.

 

[dhpackr]

if you took the time to read some of the other days of training camp, there were several other instances of walker beating out champ baily. the example i gave was specifically a one -on- one drill where Walker beat baily out for a pass. You said this was not possible, and i just provided a link to prove you wrong.

and its a sign of the type of player a HOF QB should be throwing to.

sorry, I did take some time to read other days, just not all day. Couldn't find any other mention of it, but I did look more into it.


I'm not arguing whether or not he's good. He is a pro-bowl caliber WR. No doubt. Just don't try telling me he owns the best corner in the league, cause he doesn't. Believe me. I live here, I see it, Champ would lock him down in game situations.



The real issue is that most people blame Walker for his departure, but you insist that TT intentionally let him go, supposedly because of a desire to rid GB of Favre.

Fact is, we had two bad years, Brett stuck around, and now he has a stellar, young defense stopping opponents for him, a solid, experienced o-line with good chemistry protecting him, and a slew of young, talented, keep-your-mouth-shut-and-play receivers going after his balls.( :twisted: ) TT is building a team. And Walker got himself off of it.

it still remains to be seen what TT is building. I'll agree w/the defense, but I feel TT made some poor decisions on offense. I hope these young guys step up. point I'm making is... we had a real strong offense in '03 & '04, we should have kept those pieces in the puzzle. b/c in '05 with wahle, walker gone we stunk. you add walkers stats to GB in 2006 we make the playoffs
and Walker got himself off of the team b/c TT gave him the cold shoulder.

 

[porky88]

It's a mixture of everything including Favre. Had Favre kept his mouth shut I think Walker would of came back to Green Bay if the money was right. Seems like after Favre said what he did, Walker wanted nothing to do with Favre or the Packers. I remember his grandpa released a statement saying Javon isn't to fond of Brett any longer. So that tells you something right there.

I think Ted Thompson made a mistake in not extending him then. I think he probably should've knowing what we know now.

Finally Javon is to blame as well. He did not go about this the right way. He could of went to the management and said I want a raise. I believe I'm worth more money but I'm not going to holdout on you guys. I'm not going to say I'm going to holdout either. I'll be at work and I'll play but I think I need a raise. He should’ve did what Al Harris and Donald Driver did.

Instead, Javon went on Rome is Burning, to Michael Smith, to other reporters, espn, and said I want a raise or I'm going to holdout. Was that Javon's fault? Yes he said it. Was he really the one that came up with the plan? I doubt that. In fact his agent probably was the one who told him to say that.

Who was his agent? Drew Rosenhaus. So where is his name on the poll? Overall not just one thing is to blame for the debacle. Javon Walker, Ted Thompson, Drew Rosenhaus, Front Office, and some of the fans. Polls here in Green Bay showed that the fans were behind Ted Thompson. So plenty is to blame but it's over and done with. Don't dwell in the past. Move on.

 

[Krazygangsta]

It's a mixture of everything including Favre. Had Favre kept his mouth shut I think Walker would of came back to Green Bay if the money was right. Seems like after Favre said what he did, Walker wanted nothing to do with Favre or the Packers. I remember his grandpa released a statement saying Javon isn't to fond of Brett any longer. So that tells you something right there.

I think Ted Thompson made a mistake in not extending him then. I think he probably should've knowing what we know now.

Finally Javon is to blame as well. He did not go about this the right way. He could of went to the management and said I want a raise. I believe I'm worth more money but I'm not going to holdout on you guys. I'm not going to say I'm going to holdout either. I'll be at work and I'll play but I think I need a raise. He should’ve did what Al Harris and Donald Driver did.

Instead, Javon went on Rome is Burning, to Michael Smith, to other reporters, espn, and said I want a raise or I'm going to holdout. Was that Javon's fault? Yes he said it. Was he really the one that came up with the plan? I doubt that. In fact his agent probably was the one who told him to say that.

Who was his agent? Drew Rosenhaus. So where is his name on the poll? Overall not just one thing is to blame for the debacle. Javon Walker, Ted Thompson, Drew Rosenhaus, Front Office, and some of the fans. Polls here in Green Bay showed that the fans were behind Ted Thompson. So plenty is to blame but it's over and done with. Don't dwell in the past. Move on.

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Very Well Said

 

[Zero2Cool]

I don't really agree that he deserved a raise Zero.

IF he hadn't have gotten most his money in the first three years than maybe so. It LOOKED like he was getting the short end but he was way overpaid his first two years.

You bump the quote of 'can we move on from this' and then post? Don't open the thread if you don't want to read


to your statement, i wasn't saying he deserved a raise immediately, maybe that wasn't clear, but he deserved to paid accordingly and he went about it the wrong way and too impatiently, like a child if you will.

 

[Zero2Cool]

I put the blame on my favorite WR for the most part. Yes, he deserved a raise. He went about it wrong.

Let's say he told management he wanted a raise, or even asked for one and they declined. He should be a man about it and deal with it. Pump out another year of great play and again address getting a raise.

I wasn't behind closed doors. I don't know what was said by the Packers, but I do know they wanted to keep him, but did not want to set a precedent for other rookies to whine about their contracts and have the mentality of 'well you did it for Javon, why not me? why the disrespect towards me?'

I do put partial blame on the management for not making Javon more comfortable that he would be taken care of and let it get to the point that it did.

I'd say 75% Javon, 25% stupid management.

If you look at it as a whole, its logical. He whined his way out of GB and it ****ing sucks. I wish somethig would have been done behind closed doors like "hey listen Javon, we WILL pay you, but see it from our view, if we pay you now, we will have to redo other contracts all the time after jus one good year. we will take care of you after this season, do not worry about that we do not want to lose a player like you"


Hell, who knows. Maybe that was said and Javon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus said that wasn't good enough and brain washed Javon.


I notice Drew wasn't an option and I feel he could have been a key proponent in the negative progress of Javon remaining in GB.

So.......if a guy like B. Jackson comes in and has a huge year, say he rushes for 1100 yards has 55 catches and 10 TD's, and then holds out b/c he says he outplayed his rookie deal, you say cut him loose and trade him for another 2nd round draft pick. say a tackle that you force to play gaurd?! right?

how could you miss my point? lol

nice theory and dont ever say such silly dumb things like that again