Here's the deal: he is suspended for the first 8 games anyway..... we'll see what happens in November. We shoudn't need him. He hasn't done anything like we expected and hoped. But Muir has surprised, and we expect good stuff from Worthy & Daniels.
Some other team would have to pick him up for 8 games of inactivity and then we trade for him. The games don't count unless he's with a team.I saw that on twitter of all places.
Here's the deal: he is suspended for the first 8 games anyway..... we'll see what happens in November. We shoudn't need him. He hasn't done anything like we expected and hoped. But Muir has surprised, and we expect good stuff from Worthy & Daniels.
Some other team would have to pick him up for 8 games of inactivity and then we trade for him. The games don't count unless he's with a team.
Yes they do.Some other team would have to pick him up for 8 games of inactivity and then we trade for him. The games don't count unless he's with a team.
I agree. You would think that TT would have anticipated a lengthy suspension for him as opposed to just one game.I was surprised when we signed him. He had two strikes already on substance violations, including a one year suspension. It was also rumored before we signed him that he was part of the bounty investigation, though the 8 game suspension no doubt came as a surprise. This guy was a journeyman ballplayer with a bunch of yellow flags.
Vet journeymen like Hargrove, Herb Taylor or Muir without any distinguishing recent notes on the resume, signed for vet minimums with no guarantees, are low risk propositions. If you hit on one once in a while it's a plus, but you can't really expect it.
I don’t think releasing Hargrove had anything to do with their evaluation of Perry since the former is a DL and the latter an OLB. IMO Hargrove’s contribution (if he stuck) would have been as one of the inside pass rusher in the nickel and dime Ds. So Hargrove’s competition was Raji, Worthy, Daniels, Wilson, Wynn, and Neal, not Perry.
Muir is more in the mold of Pickett – stout against the run. Since Raji is really a ‘jack of all trades’ – NT, DE, DT in the nickel and dime – it may make sense for them to have “two Picketts”. Guy may be in that mold too, although I’m sure they’re hoping he has more of a pass rush.
Regarding Hargrove’s suspension, keep in mind the league said his suspension was longer than some others because he lied to NFL investigators. Had he not, my guess is he would have been suspended 4 games. I don’t agree with how the NFL handled it as I don’t think any player should be suspended longer than anyone in the front office or coaching staff who was involved. Consider the situation a player is put in when his bosses advocate an “illegal” practice: If the player openly disobeys he losses his job. But look at what happened even from the NFL’s point of view: It can’t point to the Saints committing more “dirty” hits than other teams due to the bounties. So apparently the players “played along” but didn’t openly try to injure opponents as Gregg Williams was recorded advocating.
Of course anytime a scandal like this became public, the NFL would have to respond to it. The negative PR in itself would require a very public response. But IMO the driving force behind the sanctions imposed is the law suits being brought by former NFL players who are alleging the NFL hid the affects of concussions from the players. The NFL can use the Saints scandal as evidence they quickly responded to an issue detrimental to the health of NFL players. ‘Soft-peddling’ it would have been used by the plaintiffs.
The only good part of Hargrove’s release is I don’t have to care about how ‘bountygate’ affects the Packers.
Why was this a bad decision by TT? Please explain the negatives that came out of this?It was one of the few bad decisions by TT. .
I can't see how Goodell can even argue that Hargrove was treated fairly. Regradless of what the NFL says, he was hammered because they thought they had Hargrove on film saying "gimme my money." Even as late as the appeal "hearing" you had Goodell's attorney Mary Jo telling Goodell's hand selected reporters that you could "see" Hargrove saying those words.
It really goes to show how shoddy the NFL's investigation was. In fact, you can't see Hargrove saying that, and it would have been illogical for him to have said it as he was not in on the hit on Favre the play before.
Some other team would have to pick him up for 8 games of inactivity and then we trade for him. The games don't count unless he's with a team.
The NFL allows players to serve suspensions while they’re not on a team, so Hargrove can sit out the first eight weeks of the season, then sign with some team and start playing once the season is halfway over. It seems unlikely that any team would sign Hargrove until he has served the suspension.