Offensive Line

[El Guapo]

What do you think our starting OL configuration will be against the Bears? If different, what do you want our OL configuration to be??

I expect to see:
LT - Rasheed Walker
LG - Aaron Banks
C - Sean Rhyan
RG - Anthony Belton
RT - Darian Kinnard (Zach Tom if healthy)

I would like to see Jordan Morgan at LT at this point. Walker either has bad games or penalties. He isn't playing like a pending FA and will not be here next season. From all accounts that I've heard, Morgan is purely a left tackle. I'd like to give him a shot for the stretch. If he fails, we still have Walker.

 

[gopkrs]

What do you think our starting OL configuration will be against the Bears? If different, what do you want our OL configuration to be??

I expect to see:
LT - Rasheed Walker
LG - Aaron Banks
C - Sean Rhyan
RG - Anthony Belton
RT - Darian Kinnard (Zach Tom if healthy)

I would like to see Jordan Morgan at LT at this point. Walker either has bad games or penalties. He isn't playing like a pending FA and will not be here next season. From all accounts that I've heard, Morgan is purely a left tackle. I'd like to give him a shot for the stretch. If he fails, we still have Walker.

I certainly would like to see Morgan. Just not when it's important. And I've got a feeling we better have plan B and C for L tackle next year.

 

[milani]

What do you think our starting OL configuration will be against the Bears? If different, what do you want our OL configuration to be??

I expect to see:
LT - Rasheed Walker
LG - Aaron Banks
C - Sean Rhyan
RG - Anthony Belton
RT - Darian Kinnard (Zach Tom if healthy)

I would like to see Jordan Morgan at LT at this point. Walker either has bad games or penalties. He isn't playing like a pending FA and will not be here next season. From all accounts that I've heard, Morgan is purely a left tackle. I'd like to give him a shot for the stretch. If he fails, we still have Walker.

I think for the next few games he is there to go in if someone gets hurt or has to come out briefly.

 

[El Guapo]

I'm not sure that I trust Walker in the playoffs, for a number of reasons. I think that we ought to put the young buck in there and see if he can match or exceed what Belton has done on the right side. We've got three important games before the crucial games start.

 

[Pkrjones]

Preseason, with Walker out injured, Morgan had a rough outing (preseason 1?) but looked considerably better next game at LT. Walker certainly is not in the upper half of LT's this season. I'd be OK if coaches decide to start Morgan for the experience, assuming he's at least as capable as Walker. Can't afford a dropoff and Love getting even more pressure or blind side hits.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

We won't have a good O-Line until Gutey figures out who NOT to let go in FA and until Luke Butkus figures out he works for the Packers, and not our opponents. Nothing has been fixed on this O-Line. Rhyan should've been benched after beaning Willis in the 2nd qtr, not during garbage time.

 

[gopkrs]

We won't have a good O-Line until Gutey figures out who NOT to let go in FA and until Luke Butkus figures out he works for the Packers, and not our opponents. Nothing has been fixed on this O-Line. Rhyan should've been benched after beaning Willis in the 2nd qtr, not during garbage time.

We still don't open up holes. What's really been catching my eye is that when they are toe to toe...they lose. Just not strong. Morgan and Banks especially. So how can you get the foot when you need it? No improvement probably says something about Butkus. Just not spending time on fundamentals maybe. Maybe just not a good coach. Also says something about our scouts I think. And it's bull **** that we don't draft guards until all the good ones are picked.

 

[gopkrs]

Still, I'll be watching and hoping for wins this year. I think Haf has to force his coverers to play tighter. Can't just keep our offense on the bench that long. That's why I didn't mind going for it on our side of the field. But the organizing of the play was pitiful. Willis was airing it out and that's what we need to do. imho

 

[milani]

We won't have a good O-Line until Gutey figures out who NOT to let go in FA and until Luke Butkus figures out he works for the Packers, and not our opponents. Nothing has been fixed on this O-Line. Rhyan should've been benched after beaning Willis in the 2nd qtr, not during garbage time.

We are better at 3rd and 10 than we are on 3rd and 1. We are better at 4th and 8 than we are at 4th and 1. Something is out of sync.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

We are better at 3rd and 10 than we are on 3rd and 1. We are better at 4th and 8 than we are at 4th and 1. Something is out of sync.

The middle of our O-Line is garbage that's the issue. Gutey's biggest mistake to date is letting Runyan Jr. go to the Giants in FA

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

We still don't open up holes. What's really been catching my eye is that when they are toe to toe...they lose. Just not strong. Morgan and Banks especially. So how can you get the foot when you need it? No improvement probably says something about Butkus. Just not spending time on fundamentals maybe. Maybe just not a good coach. Also says something about our scouts I think. And it's bull **** that we don't draft guards until all the good ones are picked.

Banks shouldn't have been signed I think we'll all agree on that. I'm not willing to say Morgan is the issue, as at Tackle he's been slightly above average.

 

[gopkrs]

Banks shouldn't have been signed I think we'll all agree on that. I'm not willing to say Morgan is the issue, as at Tackle he's been slightly above average.

I agree. I'm only saying that I don't think he's strong. Which affects short yardage plays and running plays in general. Because he doesn't get a push. At least it seems that way to me.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

I agree. I'm only saying that I don't think he's strong. Which affects short yardage plays and running plays in general. Because he doesn't get a push. At least it seems that way to me.

From my perspective, our tackles have not been the issue in the running game, and Morgan has played both G and T. Our problems stem from the interior O-Line. The 1 constant through every game and pre-season in the interior of the O-Line is Sean Rhyan. Banks has not played every snap of every game. Since the Jenkins injury I think EVERY O-Lineman has played RG with Rhyan at Center, and as agreed Banks has been atrocious.

We have a revolving door at 1 interior line position. We have a broken down over valued vet at another O-Line position. And our Center, the captain of the O-Line is a guy who should be no more than a depth guy. AND on top of this we have a position coach who has done nothing to fix this, and it KEEPS GETTING WORSE!

 

[OldSchool101]

Nearly every season you’ll see guys in FA that will take a $10mil yearly offer and the bulk are better than Banks. Zero way should he be rewarded and he’s got a Post June cut/trade savings of $18Mil with $6.75m dead.

For me you try for an upgrade and you have to figure in of that $6.75 sunk into this season or around $4.5mil. Go get a solid FA OL in that $7-10mil area and you’ve got $15-17mil tied up at LG there. Plus you can multi year that new contract and push reasonably $3-4Mil into 2027.
Currently his Cap number in 2026 is $25mil so you can free up around -~$11m +/- off our current deal and have a 60% chance of a better player. That just paid for likely a better Guard and likely pays the bulk of someone like Quay Walker without adding more to our Cap estimate.

 

[OldSchool101]

Nearly every season you’ll see guys in FA that will take a $10mil yearly offer and the bulk are better than Banks. Zero way should he be rewarded and he’s got a Post June cut/trade savings of $18Mil with $6.75m dead.

For me you try for an upgrade and you have to figure in of that $6.75 sunk into this season or carry several million into a new FA contract. It doesn’t need to include Banks.
Currently his Cap number in 2026 is $25mil. Thats not happening. You could literally eat his Sunk and have a Jonah Jackson or a Joe Thuney in house and be under Aaron Banks current cap hit.
I’m not sure what they saw in Banks to pay him superior guar $$ (27m) to those Lineman we mentioned. Got way too cute there. Kevin Zietler signed less than $9M guar. He’s currently PFF ranked 14th/79 Pass and 20th/79 Run block and he’s making a smaller fraction of Banks $$.

 

[milani]

I agree. I'm only saying that I don't think he's strong. Which affects short yardage plays and running plays in general. Because he doesn't get a push. At least it seems that way to me.

Morgan can get better still. Banks will not.

 

[tynimiller]

The middle of our O-Line is garbage that's the issue. Gutey's biggest mistake to date is letting Runyan Jr. go to the Giants in FA

Think back to that time though, you really saw Runyan as a need of the size he cost given our OL elsewhere and finances available? (Don’t use hindsight knowledge but from that time period perspective)

 

[AKCheese]

Think back to that time though, you really saw Runyan as a need of the size he cost given our OL elsewhere and finances available? (Don’t use hindsight knowledge but from that time period perspective)

Say whaaaatttttt??

 

[tynimiller]

Say whaaaatttttt??

Genuinely trying to remember or what?

 

[milani]

Think back to that time though, you really saw Runyan as a need of the size he cost given our OL elsewhere and finances available? (Don’t use hindsight knowledge but from that time period perspective)

I recall that we had high hopes for Runyan. But every week his PFF grades were on lower side.

 

[El Guapo]

The middle of our O-Line is garbage that's the issue. Gutey's biggest mistake to date is letting Runyan Jr. go to the Giants in FA

I don't that you have a post to point to from 2023-24 where you (or any of us) were advocating for this. Runyan had been fine but not $30M fine. We all said good riddance. You and everyone else would be still ridiculing Gutekunst for overpaying him, because he wasn't going to get better here.

It's the Gary Sheffield effect. Some players need to go elsewhere to get better. Runyan was no different.

 

[tynimiller]

I don't that you have a post to point to from 2023-24 where you (or any of us) were advocating for this. Runyan had been fine but not $30M fine. We all said good riddance. You and everyone else would be still ridiculing Gutekunst for overpaying him, because he wasn't going to get better here.

It's the Gary Sheffield effect. Some players need to go elsewhere to get better. Runyan was no different.

Eric Stokes is a fine example, even some of us that liked him and appreciated more than most said we understood GB just being done at any price...and run the risk he rebounds.

 

[OldSchool101]

Here’s more evidence how it’s not uncommon for players just needing a fresh start.

Former Packers OL receives $51 million extension

In Year 5, Cole Van Lanen finally had a major breakout with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

www.acmepackingcompany.com

 

[Heyjoe4]

Eric Stokes is a fine example, even some of us that liked him and appreciated more than most said we understood GB just being done at any price...and run the risk he rebounds.

What happened to Stokes? If I remember, he had a v good rookie season and then was JAG.

 

[tynimiller]

What happened to Stokes? If I remember, he had a v good rookie season and then was JAG.

Raiders signed him - having one of his better seasons