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When I CB-needy team like the Packers dumps someone after one game, it says a lot. Now, that may be a genius strategy by Gutekunst if his long-range goal was to sign him for 2026. However, that's a lot of gambling.
Good point EG. Gluten doesn't strike me as the type to play that game. Diggs was cut after one game, I'm certain, because he's just not that good anymore.

The Packers certainly need help at CB, so cutting any CB is a big deal. The hurdle to make the team as a CB isn't very high.
 

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Good point EG. Gluten doesn't strike me as the type to play that game. Diggs was cut after one game, I'm certain, because he's just not that good anymore.

The Packers certainly need help at CB, so cutting any CB is a big deal. The hurdle to make the team as a CB isn't very high.

Diggs was on the Packers roster for 3 weeks and suited up for 2 games (Vikings and Bears).

While one could possibly come to the conclusion that he was cut because he didn't work out for the Packers, he probably would have been cut even had he worked out for the Packers. The #1 reason he was most likely cut was his contract. The Packers picked him up off of waivers, thus his contract that he signed with the Cowboys stayed with him. I believe he still had 2 years left on that contract and it was a 5 year deal worth $97M. There was very little chance the Packers would have kept him under that deal, thus they "had" to cut him.
 

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Diggs was on the Packers roster for 3 weeks and suited up for 2 games (Vikings and Bears).

While one could possibly come to the conclusion that he was cut because he didn't work out for the Packers, he probably would have been cut even had he worked out for the Packers. The #1 reason he was most likely cut was his contract. The Packers picked him up off of waivers, thus his contract that he signed with the Cowboys stayed with him. I believe he still had 2 years left on that contract and it was a 5 year deal worth $97M. There was very little chance the Packers would have kept him under that deal, thus they "had" to cut him.
Yes. Way too much.
 

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Diggs was on the Packers roster for 3 weeks and suited up for 2 games (Vikings and Bears).

While one could possibly come to the conclusion that he was cut because he didn't work out for the Packers, he probably would have been cut even had he worked out for the Packers. The #1 reason he was most likely cut was his contract. The Packers picked him up off of waivers, thus his contract that he signed with the Cowboys stayed with him. I believe he still had 2 years left on that contract and it was a 5 year deal worth $97M. There was very little chance the Packers would have kept him under that deal, thus they "had" to cut him.
Good catch. If Diggs is insisting on keeping his old contract - well he's not gonna get much interest.
 

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Good catch. If Diggs is insisting on keeping his old contract - well he's not gonna get much interest.
His old contract is null and void, after the Packers cut him. But yes, based on his most recent performances with the Cowboys/Packers, no team will come anywhere near offering him the $19.4M/year the Cowboys were paying him.
 

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Skyy Moore. Kick and punt returner. About time we got a dedicated guy.

Moore averaged 27.5 yards per kick return and 11.6 yards per punt return in San Francisco

I was amazed to see that Skyy Moore has only been targeted 10 times in the past 2 seasons. I think we signed him mainly to improve the return game, which I believe he will 100% do. However, I think he has some untapped potential at WR and am excited to see how the Packers decide to use him on offense.
 

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I was amazed to see that Skyy Moore has only been targeted 10 times in the past 2 seasons. I think we signed him mainly to improve the return game, which I believe he will 100% do. However, I think he has some untapped potential at WR and am excited to see how the Packers decide to use him on offense.
That low number of targets surprises me considering the number of wide receiver injuries Frisco had over 2 years. But then, the 9ers run an offense built around CMC and Kittle and a FB. They shoot for the wideouts when the rest gets bogged down like they did with Deebo. But clearly, Skye could get his chance in GB since we are an equal opportunity passing attack.
 

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I was amazed to see that Skyy Moore has only been targeted 10 times in the past 2 seasons. I think we signed him mainly to improve the return game, which I believe he will 100% do. However, I think he has some untapped potential at WR and am excited to see how the Packers decide to use him on offense.
Why's that? SF's pass catchers last year were pretty banged up, and not very good, and Moore still didn't get a shot.
 
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Like many smaller school WR’s it takes several years to acclimate. I think that’s the case with Moore. I watched some film on Skyy and imo he’s definitely better than his stats show. Just imo. One thing I noticed is he’s near elite on a scramble drill. He catches everything and he’s so darn athletic he’s good for an easy 6-8 post catch. STRONG at helping his QB when under duress and superior effort at helping his QB. Reminds me of Cobby but Skyy has more burst when he catches the ball and Cobb was a better rounded athlete. He was just always finding the cracks in a Defense in film. Maybe needs to refine his play to play cuts and body fakes on play to play routes imo.

If you told me Skyy would log 400 yards and 4 TD’s at 15+ per catch I’d not be surprised one bit.skyy had quite a few play saving smaller catches lowering his average.
 
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His old contract is null and void, after the Packers cut him. But yes, based on his most recent performances with the Cowboys/Packers, no team will come anywhere near offering him the $19.4M/year the Cowboys were paying him.
What puzzles me is how quickly his performance has dropped. I think he’s still in his mid maybe late 20s. Pretty sure he was a 1st or 2nd All Pro one season.

So where did that talent go? Guessing he’ll get a one year “prove it” year if he plays well in TC and PS.

Does anyone have any intel on Diggs’ decline. If he’s like his brother, it could be attitude and inability to play on a team. That’s a guess.
 

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Why's that? SF's pass catchers last year were pretty banged up, and not very good, and Moore still didn't get a shot.
When Desmond Howard won the SB MVP in 97 he was targeted very few times at WR. So it’s not unusual to see a team hold a roster spot for a pure specialist on returns.

But with Love and MLF’s play calling, at least see what he can do as a WR.
 

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What puzzles me is how quickly his performance has dropped. I think he’s still in his mid maybe late 20s. Pretty sure he was a 1st or 2nd All Pro one season.

So where did that talent go? Guessing he’ll get a one year “prove it” year if he plays well in TC and PS.

Does anyone have any intel on Diggs’ decline. If he’s like his brother, it could be attitude and inability to play on a team. That’s a guess.

While I don't know if it is the case with Diggs, but I think we are seeing this more and more with guys who make bank and then "decline".

Why does it happen? Honestly, I don't think it is intentional on the part of most of these guys, but more of an indirect result of suddenly being financially set for life and then some. Gone is the motivation of achieving financial wealth and fame. Throw in the distraction of now having so much money, that they get caught up in consumerism and living the "high life" they once dreamed about, you have the perfect storm of an athlete on the decline. Gone is the motivation to work out as hard, play with bumps and bruises, put in all the extra hours, etc.

Take away the carrot and the rabbit might stop running. Like I said, I doubt that it is intentional or immediate for all, but I think it is real. As guaranteed money has grown, so has the motivation to stay at the top with some of these players.
 

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Why's that? SF's pass catchers last year were pretty banged up, and not very good, and Moore still didn't get a shot.
Hopefully he hangs on to the ball. If he does; I think he'll get some chances. He better hang on to punts and know the rules for KO returns.
 

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I don't think Moore declined. He never did anything with KC even though he was a pretty high pick

He missed most of 2024 with a core muscle injury. He barely played on offense that year. I do think the Packers signed him mainly to improve and stabilize their return game. Which I think he will. I wouldn't write him off as a WR, but he is far from being a polished one. That said, anything he can add on offense will be a bonus.

Here is a fun Trivia question. What does Skyy Moore and 2 other current Packers have, that nobody else on the current roster has? Those 2 other players also play special teams.
 

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I don't know. A TD on a return?

A good guess and close, because Nixon has one, but not the answer I was looking for. ;)

A hint, the 3 players (including Skyy), weren't on the Packer roster when they accomplished this.
 

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When Desmond Howard won the SB MVP in 97 he was targeted very few times at WR. So it’s not unusual to see a team hold a roster spot for a pure specialist on returns.

But with Love and MLF’s play calling, at least see what he can do as a WR.
Howard got few reps if any in preseason. When Robert Brooks suffered an ACL against Frisco on MNF Holmgren sent Desmond in for several plays. He misran a short curl pattern resulting in a Favre INT. So he was pulled and they used Beebe and Freeman the rest of the game.
 

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Howard got few reps if any in preseason. When Robert Brooks suffered an ACL against Frisco on MNF Holmgren sent Desmond in for several plays. He misran a short curl pattern resulting in a Favre INT. So he was pulled and they used Beebe and Freeman the rest of the game.
Remember that well. Beebe was a very underrated cog on that machine with all the injuries we incurred at receiver. Back on subject, it appears that Moore is only a return specialist. I don't see him making much of a mark at WR.
 

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I don't think Moore declined. He never did anything with KC even though he was a pretty high pick
I think he was a 3rd round pick. As Packer fans, we know well how unpredictable round 3 picks can perform. At least Moore found a role on returns. His numbers have been good and he will help STs make a difference in the game.

Still not sure why Nixon isn't returning kicks. All I've read is that it's his decision not to do it, or at least his request. He made All Pro as a returner at least one year. Considering his play at CB, it's good to know he can do something well.

My dislike of him at CB has less to do with his play (I think he was ranked high in PBUs last season), it's his total lack of control during a game. He always seems to be good for one PF late in a game that really hurts the team. Week after week. I don't know if that's actually stupidity - probably just no control in the moment of his temper. And the fouls he commits are truly stupid, like jumping on top of a scrum.

If MLF wants him to handle returns, he should be handling returns. Moot point now with Moore on the team.
 

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Remember that well. Beebe was a very underrated cog on that machine with all the injuries we incurred at receiver. Back on subject, it appears that Moore is only a return specialist. I don't see him making much of a mark at WR.
Yeah Beebe wasn't an All Pro, but he was speedy and useful as a WR.
 

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Howard got few reps if any in preseason. When Robert Brooks suffered an ACL against Frisco on MNF Holmgren sent Desmond in for several plays. He misran a short curl pattern resulting in a Favre INT. So he was pulled and they used Beebe and Freeman the rest of the game.
Great memory there milani! I remember the players. I don't remember those details. And you did mention Beebe who, as I recall, was a decent and very fast receiver. I forgot Brooks tore his ACL.
 

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Hopefully he hangs on to the ball. If he does; I think he'll get some chances. He better hang on to punts and know the rules for KO returns.
Good point as the new rules on KO returns are, at least to me, confusing. Returners need to be very careful with balls landing right around the goal line. I think if the ball is caught in play but the returner's backward momentum takes him briefly into the EZ - the ball has to be returned - I think....
 
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I think he was a 3rd round pick. As Packer fans, we know well how unpredictable round 3 picks can perform. At least Moore found a role on returns. His numbers have been good and he will help STs make a difference in the game.

Still not sure why Nixon isn't returning kicks. All I've read is that it's his decision not to do it, or at least his request. He made All Pro as a returner at least one year. Considering his play at CB, it's good to know he can do something well.

My dislike of him at CB has less to do with his play (I think he was ranked high in PBUs last season), it's his total lack of control during a game. He always seems to be good for one PF late in a game that really hurts the team. Week after week. I don't know if that's actually stupidity - probably just no control in the moment of his temper. And the fouls he commits are truly stupid, like jumping on top of a scrum.

If MLF wants him to handle returns, he should be handling returns. Moot point now with Moore on the team.
Not sure if it is his fear or the team's trepidation that he will get hurt and that the wear will impact his DB performance, which is an area we are sub par already.
 

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