2023 Tyni's Prospect Thread

[Magooch]

LOL. Okay, man. Whatever. You know best, right?

I don't think I've said anything that could even be remotely construed as to be suggesting as such, but I suppose I can't control your interpretation!

 

[Magooch]

What the hell are you even talking about? You're the one who seems to be on his high horse playing "forum-police" here. "Your opinion has been noted." That's funny stuff there.

No need to get worked up!

 

[BrokenArrow]

I don't think I've said anything that could even be remotely construed as to be suggesting as such, but I suppose I can't control your interpretation!

Well, you're the one who got his feelings hurt because I dared disagree with you and so instead of further engaging the discussion, you bowed out with a snarky remark and called me "forum-police" for some odd reason. Are you the sole arbiter of what qualifies as a discussion and what doesn't?

 

[Magooch]

Well, you're the one who got his feelings hurt

Where?

because I dared disagree with you and so instead of further engaging the discussion, you bowed out with a snarky remark and called me "forum-police" for some odd reason.

I think you've got your order a bit mixed up, for the record.

Are you the sole arbiter of what qualifies as a discussion and what doesn't?

Again, I don't think I've said anything to suggest as such, but then again I'm not the one who started off in here with "That makes no sense. Not sure where that idea even comes from," "why the conjecture," or "why should we assume it does play a role without any evidence to indicate as such." You seem to know a bit more about what's worthy of discussion than I do - You know best, right?

 

[OldSchool101]

Get ready for more bonehead twelve year old ejections...LOL

And more WWF body slamming over his knee!

 

[tynimiller]

Watched some CB tape.

Julius Brents CB Kansas State 6’4’ 202

Range and length (measured 33 7/8…WHICH IS INSANE) - two things God heaped on this cat (or should I say wildcat?)

He will flirt with a forty inch vertical and many envision a NFL switch to Safety depending on scheme and team…but it’s only because he can do everything and is just as comfortable in man to man on the boundary with no help or dropping into zone. Dude is special and like Banks below Day 2 grade for me easily and I like Brents I could easily see both skyrocketing up to early Day 2 type.

Deonte Banks CB Maryland 6’2’ 205lbs

This cat has not just the size but the length and is SWIFT footed to cover most WRs that can be thrown his way.

He is going to be showing up higher and higher on CB and draft boards now that the underclass man has declared for draft.

He is a rare lockdown corner that EXCELS at tackling. Depending on source it is claimed he never missed a tackle this year and some say last year too. Look for him to test VERY WELL and his age are both going to make him very high on GB’s board…not a massive need but adding him flexes maybe Rasul back to safety…maybe you even task Banks with safety switch…either way his measurables, RAS and age all indicate Packer type.

 

[tynimiller]

I've for a long time said Isaiah Foskey is a guy I highlighted/circled and want GB to keep tabs on if there when we pick...but let me introduce you to quite possibly a guy I feel may be even more a GB type:

Lukas Van Ness EDGE/DL Iowa 6'5' 265lbs

What have we all said and noticed about GB high draft picks...they typically have very athletic measurables (RAS), they are younger prospects, and they have signs of growth still yet to come while illustrating strong un-coachable qualities and coachable mentality for things which aren't.

Lukas Van Ness is just flat out a check in EVERY single box you can think of. He won't even turn 22 till mid summer this year...his length, twist, agility, motor, tenacity all just explode off of paper and/or film when you watch him. Being redshirted in 2020, he actually played as an inside down line option for Hawkeyes and truly applied a ton of pressure from that position (7 sacks)...that inside year really made his bull rush technique grow and his arm length and strength while understanding leverage points he truly could stress any offensive lineman's anchor. This year he played primarily outside but did reduce down at times and delivered 6 sacks, 10.5 TFLs and tons of pressures this season.

Here is the CRAZY thing, Van Ness played out of a reserve role and nearly never as a starter "per say". That is why his potential explodes to me more than many prospects I've studied in recent memory. That is why it is so incredibly special to think this much success is really just scratching the surface of the guy's potential.

Being a underclassmen that recently declared I'm telling you right now IGNORE the draft engines saying he is going to be there late 3rd or even 4th rounds....IGNORANT, the whole lot of them.

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[tynimiller]

I just mocked him to us in the fourth….here is a guy I’ve kept on DL for some of the season but I’m telling you there may be something special here:

Andrei Losivas WR Princeton 6'3' 200lbs
Ready for a Gute type guy due to his youth and his expected HIGH RAS score to sneak his way up boards consistently through the pre-draft process?? Now don't overreact to this but this is my Christian Watson of 2023...NO he is NOT as polished as Watson was...when Watson headed to the senior bowl and combine he was looking to prove he wasn't just a potential Day 2 special WR from a small school but a guy that could play with higher competition and shouldn't fall past the 40th pick or so and even push into Day 1 talk. Andrei right now sits at a Day 3 pick for many...but if he hangs with the higher level DBs at the Senior Bowl...runs a sub 4.3 which he is fully expected to do...illustrates some route running chops or promise minimum...I think come the Draft he will have elevated himself to flirting with Day 2 level. (yes...this guy could take stab at the 40 time record)

 

[tynimiller]

Mid Draft QB for insurance of when a Love OR a Rodgers departure this off season happens (I am predicting one will be gone).

Allow me to introduce you to a name probably 95% of you have no clue of...he turned down offers from WV, Maryland and others to stay where he was this past year...very high toolsy type QB that illustrated the ability to make pro throws needed, ALL 32 teams sent scouts to his small DII school this year, zero star recruit that has paved his own road to a Reese's Senior Bowl invite, he stands 6'3' weighs 215 and has velocity on his balls that you have to see firsthand scouts say to understand.

In 2021 this QB put up 5,000 yards / 53 TDs / Rushing for 3TDs and in his career in college he has produced 12,454 yards and 118 Passing TDs
This year it looks like he put up 4,580 yards / 41 TDs / 8 INTs

Tyson Bagent is a guy I think you will hear traction building for across platforms and pundits if he shines at the Reese's Senior Bowl...really if he just shows he can hang with that level of QBs and not look out of place he will go from a priority UDFA/7th rounder to potentially fighting with the Tunes/Haener/Bennetts of the draft for those Day 3 gems or steals potentially at the position.

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[Magooch]

I was just looking at this kid this morning too actually... I believe he holds the NCAA record (all divisions) for total TDs? 159 is what I read...(Not sure if passing or all combined)

 

[PikeBadger]

Heck, lets face it, I wouldn't mind if the Packers waived all their draft picks and in exchange, got to pick 4 players from Georgia.

I would mind a lot (until I see their wonderlic scores). We've got a full complement of malletheads on this team already. Also, drafting helmets is generally a quick route to getting the GM fired. Not a fan of that approach to drafting at all.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would mind a lot (until I see their wonderlic scores). We've got a full complement of malletheads on this team already. Also, drafting helmets is generally a quick route to getting the GM fired. Not a fan of that approach to drafting at all.

Considering the past successful NFL players that have come out of Georgia and that many draft sites have 4 of their players potentially going in the 1st round and 10 in the top 150, interesting take on your part.

I realize that many NFL players are not rocket scientists, but sadly, that seems to be the case across most of the top tier schools.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So, i know the chances of Gute going receiver in the first round are pretty low, but what are people’s thoughts on Quentin Johnson? Having multiple great receivers is the biggest help you can give an inexperienced QB and whenever Love does take over, having two huge, elite receivers will make his job markedly easier.

Before anytime says anything about picking a receiver, i get it, Gute will probably go edge rusher, safety, or trade down for a guard/center. This is more about a fantasy of building an elite offense rather than watching the offense deteriorate while yet more picks get spent on defense.

 

[tynimiller]

So, i know the chances of Gute going receiver in the first round are pretty low, but what are people’s thoughts on Quentin Johnson? Having multiple great receivers is the biggest help you can give an inexperienced QB and whenever Love does take over, having two huge, elite receivers will make his job markedly easier.

Before anytime says anything about picking a receiver, i get it, Gute will probably go edge rusher, safety, or trade down for a guard/center. This is more about a fantasy of building an elite offense rather than watching the offense deteriorate while yet more picks get spent on defense.

So Quentin has all the boxes most would list when asking what does a WR need…but I’ll be honest while I’d be excited to see what can happen with him here I am unsure if I see what everyone does from a projection standpoint.

Addison > Johnston I think at this point. The Rice kid from SMU is a dude id love but not a 1st for IMO.

Hyatt is a Gute type guy, young enter, RAS for days and has been very productive against elite defenders at times.

 

[tynimiller]

FOR SURE Post Day 1 guys I am starting to really like at positions of need:

SAFETIES

Brandon Joseph S Notre Dame - I was much higher on him going into the season before his production fell significantly at Notre Dame after transferring for the 2022 season. I still see a STRONG STRONG prospect that is intelligent, smart and easily capable of handling the next level....that said zero chance he is a Day 1 guy nowadays and I project could be the 4th to 7th safety taken...meaning he could be there in the 3rd.

Jay Ward S LSU - Most rank him just a tick below Joseph still...but this dude is a guy I'd begin to look towards end of Day 2 or early in Day 3...if we get into the 5th, and he is there I couldn't ignore him even if we drafted say Branch in the first. He's played very solid at a school playing tons of NFL level guys weekly.

Jammie Robinson S FSU - personally I have him in my top 5 Safeties (behind only Branch, Johnson, Smith, Skinner). I prefer him over Joseph and over Battle which many will disagree with. His height is easily overcome with his tenacity and ability to read, diagnose and attack I swear in one single thought. He to me is a guy borderline enough that taking him in the 2nd isn't a big reach but one slightly...however risking him making it to you in the third may not happen.

JL Skinner S Boise State - LOVE his length, skillset and abilities. This 6'4' prospect is a early day 2 level guy IMO.

WRs

Quick note...guys that if they make it to 2nd round I'd be willing to do a Watson type trade for: Hyatt, Rice, Downs.

Xavier Hutchinson WR Iowa State 6'3' 210lbs - A true X receiver on the field and on the name card (LOL). I am a BIG fan of Xavier...admit to it fully. This dude was on a BAD team. When it came to targets it was a Davante in GB 2021 almost level of "all him" style and yet he continued to deliver yards week in and week out. Not a single other weapon on offense on the ground or through the air ran for or received more than 600 yards and only one was over 500 (another WR). Hutchinson is used to be the alpha dog...shoot he's used to going into a game knowing the opposition knows if they shut him down they win honestly. I would LOVE to pair him with Doubs on the outside and allow Watson the true freedom in our system to be moved everywhere. Is 2nd round too early for him...maybe...but he SHOULD not last past Day 2 so a 2nd round selection would be a lot like Dillon's pick...early sure, worth it possibly...unlike Dillon I bet by the end of his rookie year we know if it was worth it or not (I predict it would be).

Andrei Iosivas 6'4' 200lbs Princeton - I've shared about him before...he truly is as close to a Watson clone build/skills wise you could get (even wear #9) if you tried designing one. His Senior Bowl and testing will push him into the limelight he deserves, because FAR too many have zero clue who he is...I have him as a clear target first round of Day 3...and if he proves he can win against the level of CBs at the Senior Bowl, I'm not even made if you grabbed him in the 3rd.

If asked Ty, name a slot WR that is borderline the one to circle for first pick Day 3...I'd be pressed to pick between these two prospects:

Parker Washington Penn State 5'10' 207lbs - Dude is UNIQUE. A moveable, slot, jet motion and returner in year one needs refinement in route running but man can this dude move the ball once it is in his hands. PERFECT guy to target in the 4th or 5th round....yes he is an Amari Rodgers type prospect, but again don't let what Amari became sway your opinion of the type of WR he projected to be or team's envisioned him as. Parker adds a style of WR we don't have presently in the room and could turn into a slick slot WR with time. He is NOT an outside WR type, but you're not drafting him to be that.

Nathaniel Dell Houston 5'10' 165lbs - Yes he is a lighter build, but his frame is strong and I think he'll actually add another ten pounds or so especially heading into second season in the pros. That said though this slot, shifty, juiced up WR is SPECIAL when the ball is being held by his hands. In the past two seasons this dude has produced 199 receptions / 2,727 yards / 29 TDs. A hilarious line was his back in 2018 (first year at college) he was not in a ton but get this produced a 30.3 yards per catch on 12 receptions for 364 yards LOL...I'm telling you his shiftiness can make space and if you give this guy space there are VERY VERY few humans on a field that can make up for that space given (there will be more in the NFL than he's been used to but still special!). Check out this highlight video linked...the first play illustrates his field vision

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EDGES

Andre Carter Army 6'7' 260lbs - No other edge prospect probably saw his projections drop more than Carter...his 15.5 sacks in 2021 had many thinking Day 1 type....2022 his stats dropped across the board...did other teams do better planning for him? Did he plateau as a prospect? I don't know the exact reason....well partially it is impossible to replicate an insanely good year usually like he had in 2021...BUT I still like this prospect especially Day 2...and VERY MUCH so if in the 3rd. He is the prime example of a guy that I could see fall into Day 3 or hang on to Day 2 due to what he has shown is there and his physical traits.

Mike Morris Michigan 6'6' 278lbs - 292lbs (have seen that range across sites) - This dude is "special" but no one knows precisely which way this goes, all everyone knows is this guy has a level of raw athleticism which is rare and his speed is why many envision a potent OLB if his NFL team need is there...or a downed DE if his NFL team needs that as his frame more than allows that too. His young too seeing as how this April 22nd he will just now turn 22. His RAS will be unique to interpret depending if you run him as an EDGE or a downed lineman...either way though I suspect it is going to be special. I feel he has the traits of a Day 2 guy personally...

Nick Hampton 6'3' 235lbs App State - While the first two are BIG built edges...here is a "new age" smaller pass rush specialist type I strongly like in the that 4th round level area most likely. 18 sacks last two seasons...TONS Of tackles as well to boot and multiple turnovers forced or recovered. Has the athletic profile to cover when asked or pin ears back and destroy Tackles with his speed rushes.

Will McDonald IV Iowa State 6'3' 236lbs - Another similar framed edge rusher that I actually like more than Hampton - Will has been IMO the best player on the Iowa State defense for three straight years now (that includes Uwazurike in 2021). In those three years he has produced 27 sacks / 105 tackles / 8 forced fumbles / 7 Passes Defensed. I see McDonald's rush packages being more abundant than Hampton but I feel his ceiling is much higher IMO looking three or four years down the road in comparing him to Hampton. His hand use in chops and swipes is special and at times in combination with a smart first step in his technique can be too much for a Tackle to get control of the situation and many times Will finds himself controlling the Tackle into the pocket even if he wasn't able to truly beat him.

 

[tynimiller]

@Pokerbrat2000 I know you LOVE wide receivers LOL but understand it may not be the best use of a high pick we have Day 1 arguably depending what other prospects are there or if Gute does Gute things. Get familiar with these few I say...I know you'll not be as interested in the mid draft guys but if you want a slot type higher guy watch Downs tape - that dude is special in the slot.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

@Pokerbrat2000 I know you LOVE wide receivers LOL but understand it may not be the best use of a high pick we have Day 1 arguably depending what other prospects are there or if Gute does Gute things. Get familiar with these few I say...I know you'll not be as interested in the mid draft guys but if you want a slot type higher guy watch Downs tape - that dude is special in the slot.

My own personal note!! Woo-Hoo!!

I think what the Packers do with WR's and to some extent TE's will vary on what happens with Rodgers. Like I said in another post, they may restock the cupboard with rookies, if Rodgers isn't back in 2023. If he is, they may go all in and try to add a FA WR, as well as maybe 2nd or early 3rd day pick. If Love is the QB going forward, I can see Gute using their 1st or 2nd pick on a receiver (WR/TE), someone for him to form a good connection with over times and needed as well.

So you have a mix of possibilities, all dependent on who your QB is. I just don't see Love having a great first year, so why spend a ton of money on a FA WR if he is your QB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Quentin Johnston is my favorite WR in the draft, but he goes Top 10.

I like Josh Downs, in the 2nd round (45), but would he still be there?

My other choice for a 2nd rounder would be Rome Odunze. Line him up on one end and Watson on the other and you have 2 big WR's with some decent speed.

Like everyone, I love TE Michael Mayer. If he is still on the board, the Packers really need to grab him with the #15 pick.

 

[tynimiller]

Quentin Johnston is my favorite WR in the draft, but he goes Top 10.

I like Josh Downs, in the 2nd round (45), but would he still be there?

My other choice for a 2nd rounder would be Rome Odunze. Line him up on one end and Watson on the other and you have 2 big WR's with some decent speed.

Like everyone, I love TE Michael Mayer. If he is still on the board, the Packers really need to grab him with the #15 pick.

Odunze isn't in the draft.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Odunze isn't in the draft.

Here I thought he declared. Probably smart move, he might be top 10 next year, if he continues to improve.

 

[tynimiller]

Here I thought he declared. Probably smart move, he might be top 10 next year, if he continues to improve.

He and Penix both going back....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He and Penix both going back....

Those 2 might be lethal next year at Washington.

Penix had struggled with injuries, but when healthy, appears to be the real deal. If he and Rome do light it up, they both might be 2024 1st rounders.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Played around with a draft simulator during lunch. First using the Packers position at #15. Then for S&G's I switched with the Cardinals (#3 spot), just to dream that had we lost those final 5 games, instead of going 4-1. Wow, THAT was fun. Try it and trade back with the Raiders and again with any team that gets you close to still being able to pick at #15. The "loot" you can come out of there with is incredible! Multiple second and third round picks.

 

[tynimiller]

@Pokerbrat2000 so IF GB goes WR early I want a guy I feel can be elite in the Slot potentially and bonus if he can flex to outside and still deliver production. Two higher level guys there would be JSN out of Ohio State...he is a much more a slot guy than the other guy and JSN will take a 1st.

I actually prefer Rashee Rice out of SMU. The trouble with Rice is the same as some other prospects I love Van Ness and Anudike-Uzomah two edges that might not fall to our second round and could be first rounders even....Rice and Downs are two WRs I love for us to pair with Doubs and Watson BUT Rice is that moveable guy that can motion down into slot or out to outside and is dangerous in both spots. JSN, Downs both will wreck defenses from the slot where they are strongest.

Watch Rashee Rice tape...dude will run sub 4.4 forty and legit could be around 4.35

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Watch Rashee Rice tape...dude will run sub 4.4 forty and legit could be around 4.35

That is funny, yesterday when you posted about WR's, I looked at Rice and a bunch of other guys. Definitely another decent WR draft, which the Packers should take advantage of, no later than Round 2.

I think we disagree on it, but IMO a lot of what the Packers do in both Free Agency and the Draft, will hinge on what Rodgers decides to do. I don't want to turn this into another Rodgers discussion/thread, but just like last year, I would be fine with trading him, getting extra picks to try and improve the whole team and start the new era with Love.