2023 Tyni's Prospect Thread

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The Carter one added....dude showed up at Pro Day and failed the thing....proving to be a low character guy IMO time and time again...9 pounds heavier just since the combine. Cramping up and out of breath for drills. He has easily IMO gave up millions potentially.
I wouldn't go anywhere near Carter. Not even a second round pick. His showing up to pro day out of shape isn't a good look at all. Add to that his plea bargain to avoid jail time for racing and reckless driving related to a fatal crash that killed two program members.

Might end up being a great player in the NFL, but not if his attitude and habits don't change really quick.
 

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FOR SURE Post Day 1 guys I am starting to really like at positions of need:

SAFETIES

Brandon Joseph S Notre Dame
- I was much higher on him going into the season before his production fell significantly at Notre Dame after transferring for the 2022 season. I still see a STRONG STRONG prospect that is intelligent, smart and easily capable of handling the next level....that said zero chance he is a Day 1 guy nowadays and I project could be the 4th to 7th safety taken...meaning he could be there in the 3rd.

Jay Ward S LSU - Most rank him just a tick below Joseph still...but this dude is a guy I'd begin to look towards end of Day 2 or early in Day 3...if we get into the 5th, and he is there I couldn't ignore him even if we drafted say Branch in the first. He's played very solid at a school playing tons of NFL level guys weekly.

Jammie Robinson S FSU - personally I have him in my top 5 Safeties (behind only Branch, Johnson, Smith, Skinner). I prefer him over Joseph and over Battle which many will disagree with. His height is easily overcome with his tenacity and ability to read, diagnose and attack I swear in one single thought. He to me is a guy borderline enough that taking him in the 2nd isn't a big reach but one slightly...however risking him making it to you in the third may not happen.

JL Skinner S Boise State - LOVE his length, skillset and abilities. This 6'4' prospect is a early day 2 level guy IMO.

WRs

Quick note...guys that if they make it to 2nd round I'd be willing to do a Watson type trade for: Hyatt, Rice, Downs.

Xavier Hutchinson WR Iowa State 6'3' 210lbs
- A true X receiver on the field and on the name card (LOL). I am a BIG fan of Xavier...admit to it fully. This dude was on a BAD team. When it came to targets it was a Davante in GB 2021 almost level of "all him" style and yet he continued to deliver yards week in and week out. Not a single other weapon on offense on the ground or through the air ran for or received more than 600 yards and only one was over 500 (another WR). Hutchinson is used to be the alpha dog...shoot he's used to going into a game knowing the opposition knows if they shut him down they win honestly. I would LOVE to pair him with Doubs on the outside and allow Watson the true freedom in our system to be moved everywhere. Is 2nd round too early for him...maybe...but he SHOULD not last past Day 2 so a 2nd round selection would be a lot like Dillon's pick...early sure, worth it possibly...unlike Dillon I bet by the end of his rookie year we know if it was worth it or not (I predict it would be).

Andrei Iosivas 6'4' 200lbs Princeton - I've shared about him before...he truly is as close to a Watson clone build/skills wise you could get (even wear #9) if you tried designing one. His Senior Bowl and testing will push him into the limelight he deserves, because FAR too many have zero clue who he is...I have him as a clear target first round of Day 3...and if he proves he can win against the level of CBs at the Senior Bowl, I'm not even made if you grabbed him in the 3rd.

If asked Ty, name a slot WR that is borderline the one to circle for first pick Day 3...I'd be pressed to pick between these two prospects:

Parker Washington Penn State 5'10' 207lbs - Dude is UNIQUE. A moveable, slot, jet motion and returner in year one needs refinement in route running but man can this dude move the ball once it is in his hands. PERFECT guy to target in the 4th or 5th round....yes he is an Amari Rodgers type prospect, but again don't let what Amari became sway your opinion of the type of WR he projected to be or team's envisioned him as. Parker adds a style of WR we don't have presently in the room and could turn into a slick slot WR with time. He is NOT an outside WR type, but you're not drafting him to be that.

Nathaniel Dell Houston 5'10' 165lbs - Yes he is a lighter build, but his frame is strong and I think he'll actually add another ten pounds or so especially heading into second season in the pros. That said though this slot, shifty, juiced up WR is SPECIAL when the ball is being held by his hands. In the past two seasons this dude has produced 199 receptions / 2,727 yards / 29 TDs. A hilarious line was his back in 2018 (first year at college) he was not in a ton but get this produced a 30.3 yards per catch on 12 receptions for 364 yards LOL...I'm telling you his shiftiness can make space and if you give this guy space there are VERY VERY few humans on a field that can make up for that space given (there will be more in the NFL than he's been used to but still special!). Check out this highlight video linked...the first play illustrates his field vision
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EDGES

Andre Carter Army 6'7' 260lbs -
No other edge prospect probably saw his projections drop more than Carter...his 15.5 sacks in 2021 had many thinking Day 1 type....2022 his stats dropped across the board...did other teams do better planning for him? Did he plateau as a prospect? I don't know the exact reason....well partially it is impossible to replicate an insanely good year usually like he had in 2021...BUT I still like this prospect especially Day 2...and VERY MUCH so if in the 3rd. He is the prime example of a guy that I could see fall into Day 3 or hang on to Day 2 due to what he has shown is there and his physical traits.

Mike Morris Michigan 6'6' 278lbs - 292lbs (have seen that range across sites) - This dude is "special" but no one knows precisely which way this goes, all everyone knows is this guy has a level of raw athleticism which is rare and his speed is why many envision a potent OLB if his NFL team need is there...or a downed DE if his NFL team needs that as his frame more than allows that too. His young too seeing as how this April 22nd he will just now turn 22. His RAS will be unique to interpret depending if you run him as an EDGE or a downed lineman...either way though I suspect it is going to be special. I feel he has the traits of a Day 2 guy personally...

Nick Hampton 6'3' 235lbs App State - While the first two are BIG built edges...here is a "new age" smaller pass rush specialist type I strongly like in the that 4th round level area most likely. 18 sacks last two seasons...TONS Of tackles as well to boot and multiple turnovers forced or recovered. Has the athletic profile to cover when asked or pin ears back and destroy Tackles with his speed rushes.

Will McDonald IV Iowa State 6'3' 236lbs - Another similar framed edge rusher that I actually like more than Hampton - Will has been IMO the best player on the Iowa State defense for three straight years now (that includes Uwazurike in 2021). In those three years he has produced 27 sacks / 105 tackles / 8 forced fumbles / 7 Passes Defensed. I see McDonald's rush packages being more abundant than Hampton but I feel his ceiling is much higher IMO looking three or four years down the road in comparing him to Hampton. His hand use in chops and swipes is special and at times in combination with a smart first step in his technique can be too much for a Tackle to get control of the situation and many times Will finds himself controlling the Tackle into the pocket even if he wasn't able to truly beat him.
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Want a small school crush on offensive side of the ball this year?

Enter Braxton Westfield of Carson-Newman University.

He checks EVERY box Gute has for WRs.

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Current WR room could be a good sell to convince this guy to come to GB as an UDFA. IMO.
 

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I'm still holding out hope that JSN is there when the Packers are on the clock and they draft him.

In 2021 the Buckeyes 3 top receivers were Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave and JSN. Wilson was drafted 10th and Olave 11th in last year's draft. Both had over 1000 yards with marginal QB' their rookie seasons and both were on the PFWA All-Rookie Team, while Wilson was named the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

Back to the Buckeyes, of the 3 receivers in 2021, JSN lead the team with 95 receptions for 1606 yards. Wilson recently said that of the 3 of them, JSN was the best.

If the Packers do somehow get JSN, the future with him, Watson and Doubs could be a very bright one and help Love become the successful QB that we all hope he can be.
 
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I've touched on him a touch before but with Keion coming to us for a visit summary of him:

Keion White is an excellent edge defender that I personally would love to add to our line. Little history...three year guy from Old Dominion where he started as a TE before switching to defensive end in 2019. He transferred to GT in 2021 after Covid but sadly missed the first eight games due to a basketball injury. 2022 he showcased precisely why so many were so high on him and was a breakout full time starter who was voted captain. White already looks the part of an NFL edge defender right off the bus. There is zero reason a man of his size should be able to move and express the agility he does. Registered as a DT for the combine he put up a 9.92 RAS, but if you run him as a DE he is still 9.57 and as a LB he is still 8.29. DUDE is precisely a Packer type. *he to the best of my ability did not do the 3 cone which I would have been very curious to see how elite he did there.

34 inch arms, 10.125 hands...ran a 4.79 40 yard dash with a 1.69 split at 285 pounds! 34 inch vertical and a 909 broad. To put a cherry on top he put up 30 reps on bench.

IMO White can be a BIG stand up edge, had in the dirt Lowry replacement or a hybrid of both depending on package. He could lose a touch if we go stand up or His frame could easily support an additional ten if needed to focus on hand down.
 

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I've touched on him a touch before but with Keion coming to us for a visit summary of him:

Keion White is an excellent edge defender that I personally would love to add to our line. Little history...three year guy from Old Dominion where he started as a TE before switching to defensive end in 2019. He transferred to GT in 2021 after Covid but sadly missed the first eight games due to a basketball injury. 2022 he showcased precisely why so many were so high on him and was a breakout full time starter who was voted captain. White already looks the part of an NFL edge defender right off the bus. There is zero reason a man of his size should be able to move and express the agility he does. Registered as a DT for the combine he put up a 9.92 RAS, but if you run him as a DE he is still 9.57 and as a LB he is still 8.29. DUDE is precisely a Packer type. *he to the best of my ability did not do the 3 cone which I would have been very curious to see how elite he did there.

34 inch arms, 10.125 hands...ran a 4.79 40 yard dash with a 1.69 split at 285 pounds! 34 inch vertical and a 909 broad. To put a cherry on top he put up 30 reps on bench.

IMO White can be a BIG stand up edge, had in the dirt Lowry replacement or a hybrid of both depending on package. He could lose a touch if we go stand up or His frame could easily support an additional ten if needed to focus on hand down.
A little old (already 24) but would be a great addition at DE. 6'-5", 285 lbs. w/ a high motor. Back end of round 2 or early round 3 if Gute moves around the board would be a great place for him, IMHO.
 
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A little old (already 24) but would be a great addition at DE. 6'-5", 285 lbs. w/ a high motor. Back end of round 2 or early round 3 if Gute moves around the board would be a great place for him, IMHO.

Yup, his age is really the only non-GB trait. However, Covid has thrown a massive wrinkle for a while in the age part of things - prospects are just older right now except the guys truly declaring "early" because of how elite they are.
 

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A prospect that I thoroughly enjoyed was Kenny McIntosh - RB Georiga. He plays faster than his 4.6 speed (but never a home run), a very natural catcher, I was surprised he was slippery as a runner and blocks well. didn't WOW me but I came away very impressed. Safe pick imo in mid rounds. Games watched VS Tennesse, Oregon and Florida 2022.
 
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A prospect that I thoroughly enjoyed was Kenny McIntosh - RB Georiga. He plays faster than his 4.6 speed (but never a home run), a very natural catcher, I was surprised he was slippery as a runner and blocks well. very safe pick imo in mid rounds.

I am not against him but I am fifth round or later type guy and there are handful of perhaps other types I think may be there when he is id take for sure before him - Chase Brown, Evan Hull, Mitchell, Spears, even Eric Gray possibly.

There’s a ton, like always, running backs I would smile fifth round or later for us to draft - kenny being one.
 

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I am not against him but I am fifth round or later type guy and there are handful of perhaps other types I think may be there when he is id take for sure before him - Chase Brown, Evan Hull, Mitchell, Spears, even Eric Gray possibly.

There’s a ton, like always, running backs I would smile fifth round or later for us to draft - kenny being one.
Im not the biggest fans of Mitchell or Spears. IMO they try to bounce too much to the outside, im just not sure if thats going to translate. could be great gadget players or returners but im just not betting on their ability to keep bouncing it outside to make it in the pros. Watch the BYU game with Mitchell. Count the number of runs he tries to force it. May work in college not sure in the pros. The NC State game was also terrible for Mitchell.
 
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Im not the biggest fans of Mitchell or Spears. IMO they try to bounce too much to the outside, im just not sure if thats going to translate. could be great gadget players or returners but im just not betting on their ability to keep bouncing it outside to make it in the pros. Watch the BYU game with Mitchell. Count the number of runs he tries to force it. May work in college not sure in the pros. The NC State game was also terrible for Mitchell.

So I see value in them more so with Dillon and Jones this year, but they’re not the pick to grab if we are walking from one or the other.

I’m a big Chase Brown and Evan fan personally for Day 3 addition.
 
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If we don't select a OT till the 3rd or 4th another guy I think is a RT and not LT is Wanya Morris from Oklahoma..fits the measurables GB likes for the most part. A guy to keep an eye out for especially early Day 3 if he makes it there.
 
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