2022 Draft Romeo Doubs #132

[Voyageur]

Yeah, my general feeling with Doubs is that he's worth more to us staying than we'd get in return, should we trade him...

BUT the tricky thing is that AFAIK he's in the last year of his contract now. So it's not just a question of "is it worth it to trade Doubs" but also... "Is he worth extending and at what cost?" and "would we rather keep him for one more year and lose him for nothing, or trade for a reduced return now?" and so on.

I think the biggest question should be whether or not the Packers could even find a one-year replacement for him that would produce like him, for a $3.4 mill contract?

Mecole Hardman is getting $1,500,000 on a one-year contract and had 12 receptions for 90 yards and no TDs in 2024. In his best year, he had less than 700 yards and 2TDs that year. Last year, Romeo had 46 receptions for 601 yards despite missing time. He only played 13 games. It would be safe to say he'd have rung up much higher numbers with a 17-game slate played. In fact, it would have been near 900 yards. His salary is $3.5 mill, roughly.

I think Hardman is nothing but a backup plan for Watson and now for Golden.

The talk about a Doubs trade is pretty much in the mind of wannabe writers who don't have a clue as to what is transpiring in the Packer front office or have a clue as to the relationship between Doubs and the team in general. It's all blowing smoke up everyone's skirts. Reed & Wicks can move the chains as well, but they have way too many drops in crucial downs to consider them reliable at this point, but they can do the job when they put their minds to it. The more guys you have like this, the better off you are.

 

[DoURant]

Yeah, my general feeling with Doubs is that he's worth more to us staying than we'd get in return, should we trade him...

BUT the tricky thing is that AFAIK he's in the last year of his contract now. So it's not just a question of "is it worth it to trade Doubs" but also... "Is he worth extending and at what cost?" and "would we rather keep him for one more year and lose him for nothing, or trade for a reduced return now?" and so on.

I would rather see how he is this year, then possibly let him test FA next year. Maybe we can get a decent compensatory pick if some team offers him a nice contract.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The talk about a Doubs trade is pretty much in the mind of wannabe writers who don't have a clue as to what is transpiring in the Packer front office or have a clue as to the relationship between Doubs and the team in general.

Agree and my opinion is that Doubs will be traded on the same day as Malik Willis. That day is "never", with two exceptions.

First, if either player demands a trade and threatens to sit out if they aren't, then maybe the Packers cave and trade them.

Second, if the Packers appear to be out of contention around the trade deadline, which I believe is 11/4 this year, then maybe we will see guys like Doubs and Willis, whose contracts expire after this season, on the trading block.

 

[Voyageur]

I would rather see how he is this year, then possibly let him test FA next year. Maybe we can get a decent compensatory pick if some team offers him a nice contract.

Doubs is an unrestricted free agent next year, so the pick would be pretty low I'm afraid. But I don't think it will come to this. Read Pokerbrat's comment about the trade deadline. That would be a distinct possibility if they're looking to load up next year through the draft.

My personal perspective is that if you do pull the trigger on a trade at the deadline on both these guys, you're going to do really well in the pick department because it would be teams that need that lift that the two can offer.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Doubs is an unrestricted free agent next year, so the pick would be pretty low I'm afraid. But I don't think it will come to this. Read Pokerbrat's comment about the trade deadline. That would be a distinct possibility if they're looking to load up next year through the draft.

My personal perspective is that if you do pull the trigger on a trade at the deadline on both these guys, you're going to do really well in the pick department because it would be teams that need that lift that the two can offer.

Agree on a comp. pick or offset on compensatory picks for Doubs. The only way it gets up past a 5th rounder or better, is if he has a huge season and signs a huge contract with another. If Doubs has a huge season, the Packers may try to sign him first.

Also, lets keep in mind, compensatory picks can be lost with a Packer signing of a similar Free agent.

 

[DoURant]

Agree on a comp. pick or offset on compensatory picks for Doubs. The only way it gets up past a 5th rounder or better, is if he has a huge season and signs a huge contract with another. If Doubs has a huge season, the Packers may try to sign him first.

Also, lets keep in mind, compensatory picks can be lost with a Packer signing of a similar Free agent.

I just don't see us getting much in a trade, maybe a 6th, but probably a 7th, with the concussion issues. He needs to prove he can stay "healthy" for a team to give up anything decent on collateral.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just don't see us getting much in a trade, maybe a 6th, but probably a 7th, with the concussion issues. He needs to prove he can stay "healthy" for a team to give up anything decent on collateral.

Which is why trading a guy that can start at WR and is on a 4th round rookie deal, probably isn't going to happen.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Exactly the point. Trading him you get very little but keeping him, you keep that chain mover. If they do get Love to see the field better, I think the numbers Doubs puts up will be pretty darned good.

For some reason, people think that any WR that doesn't catch 90 or more passes and over 1,100 yards is second rate. I don't get it. The objective is to have "complementary receivers" on the field that offer a multitude of different options on each play. Doubs is the guy you can throw to in tight quarters and comes through. It's the physicality of how he plays, and what it does on plays. Golden is the jet. He's supposed to draw double coverage and get past defenders for that long one. I've watched him play his entire college career, and even though his numbers in school are impressive, I don't think this guy is quite as good as what the Packers think he is. His speed can be neutralized if he can't get off the LOS quickly. He's not great when it comes to creating "plan B" in his mind. He also takes plays off. If he's not going to get the ball, he often has a tendency to signal it in how he leads up to the play. Tipping the fact that you're not the receiver on a play when the whole intent you're supposed to draw double coverage is like adding additional defenders to the field to cover other receivers.

I still like Watson as a field stretcher. He's injured. So what? If he comes back and plays the way he's capable it's worth the wait. In the meantime, we have a solid receiving corps from what I've seen. Good enough to be competitive and there's a couple of guys out there beside Doubs that I think can light it up when called on, so we weren't hurting going into the year even if we hadn't grabbed a receiver. Mecole Hardman has flashed a 4.22 time in the 40 and let's face it, that's faster than the time of Golden which is 4.29. Interestingly enough, they could both end up on the field at the same time and that should create havoc and opportunities for Doubs, Reed, etc.

My biggest concern is still the defensive line. We don't need bodies out there we need a couple of playmakers and that didn't seem to be important in this draft, and it should have been. If you want a defense that's in the top 5 or 6, you better have those guys in that front 4 who can disrupt both passes and runs.

I didn't know Hardman was that fast. He and Golden in the same formation could create problems for a defense. Interesting.

And the DL was the position group most in need of help, and the position group that got the least support in the offseason.

I still trust Gluten, and he thought he had the players he needed on the DL (and yeah he did draft two guys on day 3). I sure hope it was a coaching problem - that's been addressed. Right now, it looks like a 10 or 11-win season imo. Not much different than last year. I hope I'm wrong and they surprise us all. Either way, they will be fun to watch.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yeah, my general feeling with Doubs is that he's worth more to us staying than we'd get in return, should we trade him...

BUT the tricky thing is that AFAIK he's in the last year of his contract now. So it's not just a question of "is it worth it to trade Doubs" but also... "Is he worth extending and at what cost?" and "would we rather keep him for one more year and lose him for nothing, or trade for a reduced return now?" and so on.

Doubs and Watson both pose contract dilemmas for the Packers. Doubs sure looks like he could be a solid #2 WR, but he's had problems - personally and physically with concussions. His trade value now is probably zero, or close to it. And even if there was an interested team, I'd rather he remain a Packer.

Watson has flashed, but not enough to get a big extension. Problem is he will miss most of the season.

I'm glad they're both on the team. I hope Doubs has a huge year and that Watson has a speedy recovery. The contract situation will be TBD for much if not all of the season. It certainly helps that the WR group got younger with the draft. If they have to pay Doubs and Reed next season, that should be doable. Watson? TBD........

 

[Heyjoe4]

I just don't see us getting much in a trade, maybe a 6th, but probably a 7th, with the concussion issues. He needs to prove he can stay "healthy" for a team to give up anything decent on collateral.

The good news about these WR "contract quandaries" with Doubs and Watson is that the WR group got a lot younger with Golden and Williams. If Doubs and Reed have huge years, the Packers can afford to pay them.

Watson is a different story. He'll miss most of the season so it will be hard to put together an extension - what will he be worth? That question may not be answered this season.

 

[tynimiller]

I just don't see us getting much in a trade, maybe a 6th, but probably a 7th, with the concussion issues. He needs to prove he can stay "healthy" for a team to give up anything decent on collateral.

I think some are undervaluing just how consistent a producer Doubs is.

Any package a team would do for Doubs is likely starting with a 4th OR 5th - based on his performance in the league since entering. A team that experiences a WR injury early in camp or early in season and have a roster structure that points towards a need in 2026 anyways would be missing a chance to essentially test run Doubs for relatively cheap.

If you're the Packers and internally everything points towards Watson is going to be back at some point - and medical staff likes everything they're seeing from him it doesn't make sense to let Doubs just burn out his contract and "hope" for a decent Compensatory pick that wouldn't come until 2027...especially with a TON of impending roster decisions with contracts coming up on many young starters...

I would allow someone to even say it is borderline mismanagement of the roster if Gute didn't work to trade one of the starters with expiring contracts:

Quay Walker
Christian Watson
Romeo Doubs
Zach Tom
Rasheed Walker
Sean Rhyan (included due to has started...may not this year who knows)
Kingsley Enagbare

Compensatory picks two years later (2027) are not the same value as a pick one year from now (2026)...and especially with a team that is getting to that point of handing out a few big contracts to guys in order to keep them here...as an example - I'd rather have a 2026 6th rounder for Rhyan than "maybe" get a 5th-7th comp pick for him in 2027....

Of those guys on the list of course I think the most palatable guys to trade would be Rhyan followed by Doubs or Watson merely due to roster structure....and honestly depending how the edges room shakes out OR Simmons and Oliver could make a Quay move also palatable (Cooper is a stud).

Of course before anyone jumps too quickly...none of these guys are being traded unless clear depth elsewhere is pushing up hard enough for management to believe we would be fine.

Doubs is a favorite of mine, but in truth with Wicks and Heath both at times fully showing capable of running wide spot for us...and Reed/Golden/Williams/Melton also in house...a Doubs trade makes a TON of sense that I even in my Doubs biasness can argue against.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think some are undervaluing just how consistent a producer Doubs is.

Any package a team would do for Doubs is likely starting with a 4th OR 5th - based on his performance in the league since entering. A team that experiences a WR injury early in camp or early in season and have a roster structure that points towards a need in 2026 anyways would be missing a chance to essentially test run Doubs for relatively cheap.

If you're the Packers and internally everything points towards Watson is going to be back at some point - and medical staff likes everything they're seeing from him it doesn't make sense to let Doubs just burn out his contract and "hope" for a decent Compensatory pick that wouldn't come until 2027...especially with a TON of impending roster decisions with contracts coming up on many young starters...

I would allow someone to even say it is borderline mismanagement of the roster if Gute didn't work to trade one of the starters with expiring contracts:

Quay Walker
Christian Watson
Romeo Doubs
Zach Tom
Rasheed Walker
Sean Rhyan (included due to has started...may not this year who knows)
Kingsley Enagbare

Compensatory picks two years later (2027) are not the same value as a pick one year from now (2026)...and especially with a team that is getting to that point of handing out a few big contracts to guys in order to keep them here...as an example - I'd rather have a 2026 6th rounder for Rhyan than "maybe" get a 5th-7th comp pick for him in 2027....

Of those guys on the list of course I think the most palatable guys to trade would be Rhyan followed by Doubs or Watson merely due to roster structure....and honestly depending how the edges room shakes out OR Simmons and Oliver could make a Quay move also palatable (Cooper is a stud).

Of course before anyone jumps too quickly...none of these guys are being traded unless clear depth elsewhere is pushing up hard enough for management to believe we would be fine.

Doubs is a favorite of mine, but in truth with Wicks and Heath both at times fully showing capable of running wide spot for us...and Reed/Golden/Williams/Melton also in house...a Doubs trade makes a TON of sense that I even in my Doubs biasness can argue against.

I don't see the logic of trading Doubs now, even for a 4th or 5th round pick. Golden and Williams are still unknowns, draft selection spots aside. Doubs isn't as consistent as Reed, but with Watson out the top two WRs are arguably Reed and Doubs. Trading Doubs would be mismanagement imo and Gluten will not do it.

Your list of players to be traded is very good, as is the reasoning behind it. On that list, I'd pick Walker to trade, with Engabare second. The Packers are solid at LB with Cooper and McDuffie as starters. Depth isn't a huge issue with Hopper and Wilson on board. Trading Walker is a little risky because he is likely to play better (run, pass coverage) with Cooper a full-time starter. But if they could get a 4th or 5th for him, that would be worth the risk.