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I knew you weren't unhappy with you - I don't see how a reasonable person could be honestly considering all things.
 

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I knew you weren't unhappy with you - I don't see how a reasonable person could be honestly considering all things.
A bit confusing, but if I interpret you correctly....I agree ;)

Doubs and Love have had some really nice completions so far. Their chemistry is pretty obvious. What the hope is (for Packer fans), is that Love can establish the same chemistry with Watson, while improving his (Love) own level of play as well. These are the growing pains of a very young/inexperienced group. As you and others have said, the ceiling for all 4 players (Love, Doubs, Watson, Reed) is a lot higher. As is it for Musgrave and Kraft.

The 2024 draft might be the first one in awhile where I say "I don't mind seeing the Packers go heavy on the OL in their first 3-5 picks."
 
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A bit confusing, but if I interpret you correctly....I agree ;)

Doubs and Love have had some really nice completions so far. Their chemistry is pretty obvious. What the hope is (for Packer fans), is that Love can establish the same chemistry with Watson, while improving his (Love) own level of play as well. These are the growing pains of a very young/inexperienced group. As you and others have said, the ceiling for all 4 players (Love, Doubs, Watson, Reed) is a lot higher. As is it for Musgrave and Kraft.

The 2024 draft might be the first one in awhile where I say "I don't mind seeing the Packers go heavy on the OL in their first 3-5 picks."

FTR, I really have a hard time not wanting to leave the first three rounds of 2023 draft with a OT and an iOL guy I believe may be starting ready. I don't want to push a OC drafted because Myers technically has next year on his rookie cheaper deal but there are some guys this year I REALLY like at center.
 

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I don't want to push a OC drafted because Myers technically has next year on his rookie cheaper deal but there are some guys this year I REALLY like at center.
Yeah, I may have been wrong about Myers. I thought the talk about him not being very good was just talk. So far this year, he has been far from impressive.
 
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Yeah, I may have been wrong about Myers. I thought the talk about him not being very good was just talk. So far this year, he has been far from impressive.
What’s scary is Myers played like the 2nd best OL last week. How bad must it be! Lol

Romeo is fantastic. Nothing against Christian, but so far in a draft redo right now I’d take Romeo Before Christian. My belief is if we paired Romeo with 1 more WR earlier in the upcoming draft that is similar talent level? Call it another top 50 area pick? We’d be exponentially better
 
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What’s scary is Myers played like the 2nd best OL last week. How bad must it be! Lol

Romeo is fantastic. Nothing against Christian, but so far in a draft redo right now I’d take Romeo Before Christian. My belief is if we paired Romeo with 1 more WR earlier in the upcoming draft that is similar talent level? Call it another top 50 area pick? We’d be exponentially better
Unfortunately, I think the Packers will have bigger needs in the 2024 draft. Plus, Watson needs some playing time. I think he's git what it takes, but not if he can't stay healthy! :(
 

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Doubs, a secondary, possession receiver. Watson, primary receiver. That's their roles. Over the course of a season, it's possible Doubs will get more passes thrown in his direction than Watson, assuming they play the same snaps, but his yardage and average should be significantly lower.

The fact is, even though Watson and Doubs are both WRs, they play different positions on the offense. It's actually the same situation as you have with offensive tackles. LT and RT are completely different, although somewhat a mirror image.
 

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Doubs, a secondary, possession receiver. Watson, primary receiver. That's their roles. Over the course of a season, it's possible Doubs will get more passes thrown in his direction than Watson, assuming they play the same snaps, but his yardage and average should be significantly lower.

The fact is, even though Watson and Doubs are both WRs, they play different positions on the offense. It's actually the same situation as you have with offensive tackles. LT and RT are completely different, although somewhat a mirror image.
I like Doubs. Just needs to keep improving, including his blocking skills.
 

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I like Doubs. Just needs to keep improving, including his blocking skills.
There are things in Doubs game that made me believe he was the real deal from the start. Watching him catch 50/50 balls last year, during the preseason, told me the guy had the will to win those battles. To me, that's exactly what you want in a possession receiver, and that's what they've got. I instantly thought of Jordy Nelson, and how he cut his teeth on wrestling the ball away from defenders, making big plays, that moved the chains. I think Doubs brings a lot of that to the table.

Will he be as good as Jordy? I can't say at this point, but from what I saw this past game, he made the possession catches for first downs, and was instrumental in keeping the chains moving. That's exactly what you want from the guy playing in his position.

No doubt, his blocking skills need to improve. I actually think they already have, compared to early last year. He's digging in a little deeper, and getting upward thrusts against taller, heavier, players, instead of trying to block them straight out. Big guys will knock you out of the way, if you don't use leverage to make those blocks.
 

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I read some of the early posts. I guess we were thinking Doubs was so fast that he would take the top off. I don't think that turned out true. He can get deep sometimes and he does have great hands and a knack of getting to the ball first. Maybe he'll be able to do more of that this year.
 

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I was wondering if they have come up with a better helmut addition to limit concussions? I wonder if we are working on that. Seems like they need to tweek it. No, I don't know who they are.
 

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I was wondering if they have come up with a better helmut addition to limit concussions? I wonder if we are working on that. Seems like they need to tweek it. No, I don't know who they are.
This was the latest information that I could find. If you go by what this article says, improving helmets is an ongoing effort by the NFL. They are also trying to change the rules to try and reduce helmet to helmet hits.

 

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Or in Romeo's case helmut to ground

Unless they switch to flag football, I doubt there is much that can be done about helmet to ground contact. I suppose they could play on a bubble wrap type of surface, while also encasing a players helmet in bubble wrap? :coffee:


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I read some of the early posts. I guess we were thinking Doubs was so fast that he would take the top off. I don't think that turned out true. He can get deep sometimes and he does have great hands and a knack of getting to the ball first. Maybe he'll be able to do more of that this year.
I don't remember Doubs being depicted as a fast guy. As you note, he runs great routes and catches most passes.

I hope he's back this year. He's had a number of concussions, and that last one against Philly, wearing the Guardian helmet, was nasty.
 

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I'm no expert on times. I have to look it up if I want to know. I just looked up Justin Jefferson. It said he ran a 4.43. So 4.47 must be good.
Reasonably good but not a speed merchant. He was brought in because of his talents. He runs good routes, works well off the ball, has great hands, and can make catches that sometimes seem nearly impossible. He's not afraid to catch the ball in traffic and take hits. He's one of the better "hand fighters" in the league, getting more than his share of the 50/50 balls. He isn't a flashy receiver and is often overlooked by Love because he's way too enthralled with getting off that long ball. Often moving the chains might be the best option. If you look at the stats, you'd find Doubs is one of the better chain movers in the NFL.

If the Packers trade him, it could be a costly mistake in the long run. Forget that one game suspension and the situation with the concussions. The concussion is part of the fact that he's willing to sacrifice his body to make plays that other players will not even attempt.

If he stays, he's going to be an important part of this offense. It's all on Love to find him on the field because he knows how to get open and it shows in game tapes.
 
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Last year we thought the O would pop.
It was our D that did!

GB’s Receiver room is the best since 2021 before Davante left imo.
Not as Top heavy, but much more balanced. It’s even possible that Heath or Melton or both are gone. Once Watson returns if healthy this is the deepest roster we’ve had at WR since around our last SB area.

Reed, Doubs, Golden, Wicks, Savion, Watson. When Watson returns and puts Savion or Wicks as your WR6?
you know you’ve got it going on. If Rodgers had this WR lineup in his prime? he’d tear it up

Doubs just needs to stay concussion free. I know the helmet is funny but if it keeps him on the field so be it make it pink with poka dots idc. I have him as a strong WR3 possession guy. Very safe target.
 
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Reasonably good but not a speed merchant. He was brought in because of his talents. He runs good routes, works well off the ball, has great hands, and can make catches that sometimes seem nearly impossible. He's not afraid to catch the ball in traffic and take hits. He's one of the better "hand fighters" in the league, getting more than his share of the 50/50 balls. He isn't a flashy receiver and is often overlooked by Love because he's way too enthralled with getting off that long ball. Often moving the chains might be the best option. If you look at the stats, you'd find Doubs is one of the better chain movers in the NFL.

If the Packers trade him, it could be a costly mistake in the long run. Forget that one game suspension and the situation with the concussions. The concussion is part of the fact that he's willing to sacrifice his body to make plays that other players will not even attempt.

If he stays, he's going to be an important part of this offense. It's all on Love to find him on the field because he knows how to get open and it shows in game tapes.
Very good summary on Doubs, and thx for finding his forty time. It would be a huge mistake to part with Doubs now. (And I agree that the short game, move-the-sticks game needs to get more attention from Love. I don't mind at all that he takes more risks than Rodgers, but his judgment needs to improve as to when to take a shot.)

Anyway, if Doubs decides to keep playing after the concussions, it's better for the Packers if he stays put.
 

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Very good summary on Doubs, and thx for finding his forty time. It would be a huge mistake to part with Doubs now. (And I agree that the short game, move-the-sticks game needs to get more attention from Love. I don't mind at all that he takes more risks than Rodgers, but his judgment needs to improve as to when to take a shot.)

Anyway, if Doubs decides to keep playing after the concussions, it's better for the Packers if he stays put.
Exactly the point. Trading him you get very little but keeping him, you keep that chain mover. If they do get Love to see the field better, I think the numbers Doubs puts up will be pretty darned good.

For some reason, people think that any WR that doesn't catch 90 or more passes and over 1,100 yards is second rate. I don't get it. The objective is to have "complementary receivers" on the field that offer a multitude of different options on each play. Doubs is the guy you can throw to in tight quarters and comes through. It's the physicality of how he plays, and what it does on plays. Golden is the jet. He's supposed to draw double coverage and get past defenders for that long one. I've watched him play his entire college career, and even though his numbers in school are impressive, I don't think this guy is quite as good as what the Packers think he is. His speed can be neutralized if he can't get off the LOS quickly. He's not great when it comes to creating "plan B" in his mind. He also takes plays off. If he's not going to get the ball, he often has a tendency to signal it in how he leads up to the play. Tipping the fact that you're not the receiver on a play when the whole intent you're supposed to draw double coverage is like adding additional defenders to the field to cover other receivers.

I still like Watson as a field stretcher. He's injured. So what? If he comes back and plays the way he's capable it's worth the wait. In the meantime, we have a solid receiving corps from what I've seen. Good enough to be competitive and there's a couple of guys out there beside Doubs that I think can light it up when called on, so we weren't hurting going into the year even if we hadn't grabbed a receiver. Mecole Hardman has flashed a 4.22 time in the 40 and let's face it, that's faster than the time of Golden which is 4.29. Interestingly enough, they could both end up on the field at the same time and that should create havoc and opportunities for Doubs, Reed, etc.

My biggest concern is still the defensive line. We don't need bodies out there we need a couple of playmakers and that didn't seem to be important in this draft, and it should have been. If you want a defense that's in the top 5 or 6, you better have those guys in that front 4 who can disrupt both passes and runs.
 

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Yeah, my general feeling with Doubs is that he's worth more to us staying than we'd get in return, should we trade him...

BUT the tricky thing is that AFAIK he's in the last year of his contract now. So it's not just a question of "is it worth it to trade Doubs" but also... "Is he worth extending and at what cost?" and "would we rather keep him for one more year and lose him for nothing, or trade for a reduced return now?" and so on.
 

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Golden is the jet. He's supposed to draw double coverage and get past defenders for that long one. I've watched him play his entire college career, and even though his numbers in school are impressive, I don't think this guy is quite as good as what the Packers think he is. His speed can be neutralized if he can't get off the LOS quickly.
This is where in game decisions by LaFleur come in. It should be noticeable if there is a guy doing a good job on the line of scrimmage with Golden. In which case, he should be the guy in motion or in a slot position sufficiently behind the line of scrimmage. Sometimes, imho, that is more important than sticking to the script as far as motion is concerned.
 

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