Round 4 pick 108 Vince Biegel

[AmishMafia]

4 picks 4 defensive players.

Interesting pick. He and TJ Watt will have be compared throughout their careers.

Some state they liked Biegel more than Watt, but I don't know. Watt certainly caught my eye more than Biegel

 

[easyk83]

4 picks 4 defense.

Interesting pick. He and TJ Watt comparisons throughout their careers.

I saw plenty of pre-season reports tagging Biegel as a potential second rounder in this draft. Then he suffered a minor fracture in one of his feet which kept him out or limited him for several games, still finished strong though with 7 sacks and TFFLs in the last four games.

 

[thisisnate]

not typically excited about these hard worker, poor athlete types
but good luck to him and hope he works out

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've watched both players during their time at Wisconsin. Biegel has more experience than Watt and at this point his game is more refined, steady and consistent. I think Biegel plays a bit smarter than Watt but his motor runs possibly a gear lower than that high Motor TJ operates with. My feeling is the ceiling is much higher on Watt, but possibly the risk (at #29) was too. Biegel makes more sense from TT; a safe, consistent high learner guy. I don't think he will ever be a Pro Bowler, but also think his chances of being a total bust are minimal.

 

[kevans74]

this is a Poppinga type of player who will probably be the 3rd or 4th OLB for years down the line...

this is an "ok" pick, but why not get Dorian Johnson here??

I'm pretty sure he signs a veteran RB now

 

[easyk83]

not typically excited about these hard worker, poor athlete types
but good luck to him and hope he works out

Biegel didn't blow up the combine but his athleticism was confirmed there. His broad jump was just three inches less than Clay Matthews was and he ran the same 40 time and his 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone were also comparable. Biegel is an athlete, the issue is whether or not he can put on another 10 pounds and maintain his current level of speed and burst.

 

[kevans74]

per bleacher report

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-draft-2017-scouting-report-for-packers-pick

 

[Mavster]

He'll be 24 in July.

I hate this pick. And on a side note, is there a team that's spent a higher percentage of their draft picks on defense than the Pack in these past 5-6 years?

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I'm not big on this pick. They added a lot of athleticism with the first 3 picks, but he seems like the typical average ceiling player that TT drafts for depth. Would have preferred Perine as a workhorse RB, or Cohen as a gadget player. Even Desmond King could have come in and contributed early, and I see him having the better career.

 

[Sky King]

Aaron Kampman came to mind the more that I have learned about Biegel. His interview on the Packer website moments ago was quite impressive. The lunch pail types who relentlessly work hard as they strive for success are my favorite kind of players. There will not be any "mailing it in" with this guy.

 

[kevans74]

yea King and Kazee are still there thank God...but the secondary is looking crowded

 

[mongoosev]

bloodline put watts in the lime light. both great talents but vince is nothing short as great as watt. maybe even better. as poker stated watts could be a big bust, have to meet too many expectations. vince has nothing to prove but to only do what he has been doing.

TT picked his players for the positions that most fans wanted, and now it's just a waiting game.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Here's Biegel's spotlight tape from the LSU game last year.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vince+biegel

A couple of takeawys:

- smart, disciplined player rarely out of position
- looks like a guy who would take in Capers concepts
- not dynamic; little in the way of wow factor
- there's some play making in this tape (the tackle for loss early, the pressure than ended in an interception later in the tape)
- the play making comes out of football playing not athleticism
- he whiffed on a couple of sacks; his movement and body control does not speak "edge rusher" to me at the next level
- we don't see him playing much man defense UW's scheme; just back peddle into the zone

All in all, I see more ILB in this game than edge rush, though preseason would give us a better idea of how he covers. More a "glue player" at ILB than a playmaker. Kinda like a circa 2011 Hawk-type player before he lost all of his speed.

If Matthews-in-the-middle has mercifully drawn to a conclusion, this is a guy who would add depth to the ILB position who wouldn't hurt you if he was called upon for extended play. He might even move above Martinez, who's rookie season I found disappointing.

All in all, "good football player" if not "dynamic".

 

[sschind]

Ted got that OLB from Wisconsin after all and he got him in the 4th round too. Everyone should be ecstatic. Like Amish said, I'm afraid this poor kid will always be compared to the OLB from Wisconsin they should have drafted.

Of course when your top strength is Voted team captain what can you expect. I wonder what it says for Mr. irrelevant? Can tie his own shoes.


ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS Voted team captain. Known for intensity and all-out love for the sport. Instinctive. Diagnoses zone blocks quickly and darts through gaps into backfield to muddy backside cutback lanes. Works to keep outside shoulder uncovered for contain responsibilities against the run. Emotional leader for the Badgers. Wrap-up tackler looking to thud. Flashes desired pursuit speed to perimeter. First-strike specialist at point of attack. Lands hands first and immediate arm extension provides leverage against much bigger blockers. Adequate hip flexibility and change of direction to mirror play-action rollouts. Good run-pass recognition. Was asked to peel off and cover in space. Squeezes receivers from zone. Posted productive rush totals over sophomore and junior seasons. Father, uncle, grandfather and younger brother all played college ball.

 

[kevans74]

Here's Biegel's spotlight tape from the LSU game last year.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vince+biegel

A couple of takeawys:

- smart, disciplined player rarely out of position
- looks like a guy who would take in Capers concepts
- not dynamic; little in the way of wow factor
- there's some play making in this tape (the tackle for loss early, the pressure than ended in an interception later in the tape)
- the play making comes out football playing not athleticism
- he whiffed on a couple of sacks; his movement and body control does not speak "edge rusher" to me at the next level
- we don't see him playing much man defense in this scheme; just back peddle into the zone

All in all, I see more ILB in this game than edge rush, though preseason would give us some idea of how he covers. More a "glue player" at ILB than a playmaker. Kinda like a circa 2011 Hawk-type player before he lost all of his speed.

yea i agree.. a Hawk or Poppinga type

I really doubt he's going to come in and get 8-10 sacks like Clay (10) did during his rookie year but he'll be ok... pretty much a good 3rd or 4th OLB to have for the next 4 years(on his rookie deal)

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Biegel didn't blow up the combine but his athleticism was confirmed there. His broad jump was just three inches less than Clay Matthews was and he ran the same 40 time and his 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone were also comparable. Biegel is an athlete, the issue is whether or not he can put on another 10 pounds and maintain his current level of speed and burst.

Matthews is obviously a much better athlete on tape, at least in his prime. Much more twitch. This guy looks like solid depth, could possibly make a move to ILB. I still think they should have picked someone who'd make an impact this year, and has the same or higher career ceiling.

 

[easyk83]

Poppinga was a physical player who could take on blockers but couldnt buy a play on a ballcarrier and he never developed any competence in coverage either. Biegel is able in coverage and already understands the mental part of the OLB position more than Poppeye ever did. They're completely different players.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Ted got that OLB from Wisconsin after all and he got him in the 4th round too. Everyone should be ecstatic. Like Amish said, I'm afraid this poor kid will always be compared to the OLB from Wisconsin they should have drafted.

Of course when your top strength is Voted team captain what can you expect. I wonder what it says for Mr. irrelevant? Can tie his own shoes.


ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS Voted team captain. Known for intensity and all-out love for the sport. Instinctive. Diagnoses zone blocks quickly and darts through gaps into backfield to muddy backside cutback lanes. Works to keep outside shoulder uncovered for contain responsibilities against the run. Emotional leader for the Badgers. Wrap-up tackler looking to thud. Flashes desired pursuit speed to perimeter. First-strike specialist at point of attack. Lands hands first and immediate arm extension provides leverage against much bigger blockers. Adequate hip flexibility and change of direction to mirror play-action rollouts. Good run-pass recognition. Was asked to peel off and cover in space. Squeezes receivers from zone. Posted productive rush totals over sophomore and junior seasons. Father, uncle, grandfather and younger brother all played college ball.

I find him more "well studied, schooled and disciplined" than instinctive. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

By the way, his 4.67 Combine time is consistent with the field speed on tape.

 

[easyk83]

Matthews is obviously a much better athlete on tape, at least in his prime. Much more twitch. This guy looks like solid depth, could possibly make a move to ILB. I still think they should have picked someone who'd make an impact this year, and has the same or higher career ceiling.

The biggest difference between Biegel and Matthews is flexibility and fluidity. Matthews is a much more natural bender.

 

[kevans74]

The biggest difference between Biegel and Matthews is flexibility and fluidity. Matthews is a much more natural bender.

so there isn't really a similarity b/c that is actually what made Matthews very, very good.... before his "Injuries" (not implying that he took anything here lol)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He'll be 24 in July.

I hate this pick. And on a side note, is there a team that's spent a higher percentage of their draft picks on defense than the Pack in these past 5-6 years?

No

I posted these numbers in a few other posts.

Last 6 Packer Draft's:

• First pick in all 6 - defense
• 13 out of 18 of the first 3 picks - defense
• top 2 picks in the last 2 out of 3 drafts - secondary
• top pick in 3 out of last 4 drafts - secondary

If we don't have a top 10 defense soon from all the draft resources devoted to the defense, then how long do you let TT and Capers continue? If it wasn't for Aaron Rodgers, how would devoting the better part of your draft on the defense over 6 years make your offense look?

 

[kevans74]

No

I posted these numbers in a few other posts.

Last 6 Packer Draft's:

• First pick in all 6 - defense
• 13 out of 18 of the first 3 picks - defense
• top 2 picks in the last 2 out of 3 drafts - secondary
• top pick in 3 out of last 4 drafts - secondary

If we don't have a top 10 defense soon from all the draft resources devoted to the defense, then how long do you let TT and Capers continue? If it wasn't for Aaron Rodgers, how would devoting the better part of your draft on the defense over 6 years make your offense look?

LOL yea that's pretty bad lol

 

[HardRightEdge]

4 picks 4 defensive players.

Interesting pick. He and TJ Watt will have be compared throughout their careers.

Some state they liked Biegel more than Watt, but I don't know. Watt certainly caught my eye more than Biegel.

While some may make ongoing comparisons, that will make little sense.

First of all, the the draft capital cost difference is substantial. The value comparison will eventually be King vs. Watt.

If I'm right and he lands at ILB eventually, there will be even less to compare.

As for an "all defense" draft, let's hope this thing works out better than 2012. Daniels is Daniels, but we had to wait 4 years to get anything out of Perry, Worthy was a bust, Hayward was up and down in this scheme, and we didn't get much out of the other two guys. Dunno what Hayward's life was like in his new Pro Bowl-earning environment, but with the Packers his plays came in zone, with safety high where he could jump routes.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

LOL yea that's pretty bad lol

Funny/sad thing about it all, TT has had some success drafting offensive players and some success acquiring defensive players via Free Agency. Yet once again, he is trying to improve the defense through the draft and the offense via Free Agency. Figure out what you are good at Ted and stick to it.

 

[easyk83]

Funny/sad thing about it all, TT has had some success drafting offensive players and some success acquiring defensive players via Free Agency. Yet once again, he is trying to improve the defense through the draft and the offense via Free Agency. Figure out what you are good at Ted and stick to it.

Well with acquiring Defensive players you're mostly selling Green Bay and NFL Siberia along with the team's contender status. With Offensive players its wanna catch passes from Aaron Rodgers?