Rip on TT and MM in here

About Olshansky, he didn't play well last year. He has character issues, and he wanted a more lucrative contract, but the fact is last year was the only he didn't play well...

Now about the re-signing. I WOULD agree, but when you re-sign Bush for $1M and you re-sign Montgomery, you're WASTING money and cap space, therefore you CANNOT use that argument. If we let go all those bad players, we can sign one good FA. But if you keep re-signing those, it's obvious you'll only have cap space to re-sign your own...

Jennings is a team player. That's not to say he doesn't want the money, but for sure he wouldn't mind us getting a player that would improve our team. And by signing Bush, it doesn't help the chances of re-signing Jennings.
But the receiver that's hurting our cap space isn't Jennings. Driver is 34, and demands aprox. $6M in cap space. We need to reform his contract. Or let him go. Personally, I would love him to retire as a Packer, giving him a 3year deal with less money. He's also team player, but he needs to agree...

the Packers are projected, and I use the term projected loosely to have $18 million under the cap. If Jennings takes $7mil a year to sign, we still have $11 million to play with, I think with that kind of room we probably could have splashed in the fee agent market a little. I am still looking around to see who is going to be a fee agent in 2010. do any of you guys know where I can find that info easily?

Thanks

thanks for the list, how many of those guys do you think the Pack really need to sign. I say Jennings,Kampman,Bigby,Spitz. This could be an interesting year for Kampman, new defensive style. I believe he can make the transition to the 3-4, if not maybe could use him as trade bait. Obviously we need Jennings, I think Bigby is worth signing in the secondary. I believe Spitz is very versitile, the rest of the OL would be a luxury, but not necessary a must. I know they have for the most part played together for a while, but at some point we need to start replacing. I think we should start sooner than later because Rodgers is very mobile right now and would be able to get out of a few jams while the line learns how to play together. If they wait to long, Aaron could lose a little of the mobility and that could be bad. I find it very interesting how many OL are on that list in one year. Somebody wasn't thinking, I would think you would try to stagger the contracts so that this wouldn't happen. With so many OL due at the same time, they kind of have a hand up over the Pack. One could make the argument that since so many are due, that they all could demand more money because if they all left then Pack would be without many of the veteran OL. There is strength in numbers. what's your thoughts?

I guess we're finding out firsthand why a sudden youth movement wasn't such a good idea. Too many players all hitting the open market at the same time.

Too many 4-year deals too. How does a guy like Kampman, an '02 draft pick, hit the open market twice in 8 years? As outstanding as he is shouldn't the re-signing have been at least a 5-year commitment? A long-term deal?

Kampman may just decide he's not interested in the growing pains of a switch to the 3-4. He'll probably try to get a long-term deal elsewhere playing for a 4-3 defense. I wouldn't be surprised if TT was shopping him for a trade right now.

Longtime I totally agree with your comments about players being able to play in a 3-4 before we sign to long term contracts. AMEN brother.I think if they plan on signing the OL trio, they should sign them for different amount of years to start staggering when the contract comes up.does TT have any say on how long he wants a player's contract to be? The reason I said someone wasn't thinking is because they should have staggered the contracts between 2-4 years depending on who the team believed was the best prospect obviously would get the 4 year and the one that the team deams the most expendable would get the two year. I didn't realize that Ted didn't set up the contract lengths, I supposed that's why there are "Cap specialist" to manage that. I don't think anybody should argue the point that having almost your entire OL come due at the same time is not a good idea. It gives the players more of an advantage IMHO, to bargain for bigger contracts if the threat of most of the OL leaving the organization. I do believe that the packer players are team players at a high level, but lets be honest, it is a business on both sides of the fence and everybody is looking out for #1. I know Brett restructured his contract to help the team, and I'm sure there have been more. These are the exception rather than the rule. No different than a team using what ever they can to keep contracts as low as possible. I like the changes in philosophy on defense. I also agree with doughsellz that Kampman may decide he doesn't like the 3-4 or that maybe he can't play in that type of system. If that is the case, I would think that the pack would look to trade him but may not get much in return if teams realize that he doesn't fit into the 3-4. If a player doesn't fit into the system other teams know that the team looking to trade a player doesn't need to keep him so they do not offer the world. If the Pack was playing the 4-3 obviously Kampmans stock is higher than if he can't make it in the 3-4 IMO. :beer: :yes:

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TT is an ok GM and MM is a very respectable coach. If you do recall, he led the packers to a 13-3 season right after they had a 4-12 season.

no there was an 8-8 in the middle.

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Actually it went, 4-12 , 8-8 , and then 13-3.

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And then, 6-10. I didn't realize how bad we were last season until I found out that we were picking two spots after the Raiders and one before the 49ers.

Lots of poor play calling this year. MM trusts A-Rod, but not very much as was proved in some games, like that one against the Panthers or Jax or even against the bears. MM simply stop passing and began to run (nowhere, of course). Crosby failed against the vikes at the metrodome. And the defense...man, that was sad season. At least I really liked what Rodgers did for us at QB.

I hoped that TT would start signing some FA like Olshansky or Canty...instead, he went for A. Smith (somewhere Brady is laughing about it) and Preston...who can play nice in GB with his size and all that but it's not like "Wow, we got Preston". So, now I'm hoping he does something at the draft.

On the bright side the Patriots won SB XXXVI & proceeded to lay an egg in '02, a 6-10 egg if memory serves me. Go figure the next 2 SBs were theirs as well. Not saying GB is any where near achieving that kind of success but it's happened to other teams before so a fan base can dream, right?

Want some nice words about TT from a source outside WI? Try this:

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30109315/

It's a piece about who drafts well & which GMs are most effective at consistently finding the best players.

TT gets a mention but not for what you'd expect.

lol Playoff time? hahahahahaaha. TT and MM = EPIC FAIL. Who needs an mvp QB? Wait...Lets change defense's completely instead of patching some holes!
TT & MM = Alienating veterans and propping up underperfrming horrible draft picks. I usualy look so forward tp the season. this year... not so much.

Touché LOL

TT really has to go. He is terrible for the organization in nearly every way.

Which way?

Ted Thompson sucks.

Literally!

DD is 34, Al Harris is 34 too and Clifton is 32...do they think these players will play until they are 40?