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Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Zero2Cool, Mar 17, 2005.

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    I'm just reading away this article at JSOnline and what do I come accross.

    ---"Roland said aside from offensive coordinator Tom Rossley and former special teams consultant Frank Novak, Sherman rarely listened to anyone on staff"---

    Could he have picked TWO WORSE people to listen to?


    Here is the article for yourself.

    http://www.jsonline.com/packer/news/mar05/309759.asp

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    The article is missing a couple of "have a take - don't suck" items in there...

    1) What is Ed Donatell's opinion? Anyone want to take a gander?

    2) Out of those two, or three Coaches.. Where are the others' comments?

    To be clear - and I will follow this along, like you're doing, Slick.......

    Sherman learned to read the error of his ways last year during Rossley's health issue and himself being the one to call plays out there, not Rossley. But, then - we also all knew - that Brett Favre "thrived" on having the Coach and the QB work together 'face-to-face' along the sidelines... and Rossley NEVER had to hutzpa to ever show his face down on the edge of the field during a game.. NEVER! I outright call that "gutless".... I also think that when push comes to shove? Brett would prefer to be somewhere else... but let's remember one thing - this is IMHO... and from what I've read since the end of the season last year.. Rossley and Favre have been having ongoing conversations about how things could or should be working out there... I have no way of confirming my opinion... let's call it a gut feeling and leave it at that....! But I gotta tell ya - it sure feels that way "after" Rossley called that STUPID pass play in the Eagles playoff game two seasons ago! I'll always say that 2003 was our season to return to the SB... and Rossley blew it for the whole team! What's more? Brett also knows it! Do you remember him throwin' his hands up in the air and just walkin' off the field... sort of laughin'? I do!

    We'll see where this line of investigation goes -- the longer TT waits to extend the contract? The more this will center itself at the head of any Mike Sherman conversation!
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    Posted Mar. 14, 2005
    Chris Havel (again)
    [​IMG]
    Sharper delivers one final weak shot

    Darren Sharper shouldn
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    ^^^^much ado about nothing. this guy just took a harmless quote and posterized it. sometimes when theres no story you have to make one.
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    I agree, I don't think Brett likes/respects Rossley at all. I'd like to see him call plays for a year but as he has said already 'thats not my job' Don't know if he was saying that to push blame on the poor playing calling or to say hey let me call the plays in some strange way.
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    Well - so far - Sherman's choosing to not fire back...!
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    Which is probably the smart thing to do. He gains nothing by stooping to their level of immaturity.
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    The problem with the shots at Sherman is that they keep coming, and they're consistent with what they're saying. This indicates that the people making them are accurate and were very frustrated and/or angry. This does not bode well as there are probably more players and coaches that still feel the same way.
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    I'm waiting for someone other than the selected few to step forward and either kill or confirm this flying albatross.... Wouldn't you just love to hear the conversations going on between Bates & Thompson at the lunch table.... right about ...now!
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    taking shots at a ex co worker is not a huge issue... the issue would be if his current co workers do not respect him

    it happens everyday ppl switch places of employment and take immature shots at their previous co workders/boss

    lets not make a mountain out of a ant hill here
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    Agreed - Slick - but the reality factor is most likely starting to appear like early sunburn.... Ask youself - how many other Teams are you hearing this type of conversation from? And... are they getting it put in print all over the web? It's one thing for Cheeseheads to see a remote article, or a blurb in some other article which was more about some other main issue... but this is distinctly specific... and not exactly going away for the most part.... I'm not sure who I would take as the final word here... there may not be one! Certainly Brett is a TEAM PLAYER - You probably will never hear him outright state his lack of affection for Rossley... as one example.... And listening to TT say anything at this point would be ludicrous on any level - he just got there.... I guess I would take Donatell's word... but why would he want to dredge up dirty laundry - he made his point during the playoffs last year! I just wish they'd just clarify the matter - which may help put it to rest.

    That's all I care about - let's settle down and get to business of fixing this Defense and bring the Lombardi back home!
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    I'm not saying he is a ducky swell person to work with. I'm saying fact of the matter is not many ppl get along with their 'high ups' at their employment, especially when they feel they've been overlooked or have not had their suggestions heard to their liking.

    It just seems to me were over reacting on this and its way more common than we all think. But since its about our beloved Green and Gold we are mad tripping yo! :)
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    Well - one thing's for sure - we DID see evidence to some extent with the way Rossley demonstrated not wanting to interact with the QB on a direct level - which Sherm Lewis certainly made a point to do. And, by that I mean - "during" the game, not just after..... It's one thing to sit around off-season and talk about things when the games not on the line and the heat of the battle isn't in your blood.. or to stop for a few minutes in the hallway, in the middle of the week and give a nod - I've seen articles that have promoted Rossley discussing issues with Brett - I think everyone has... but when he (Brett) threw his hands up in the air like that during that Eagles game -- I was convinced as to what was and really had been.... going down all along, --- with respect as to how the Offense was being run. It's not good, in my mind, that this issue may actually have deeper roots than we all thought were there!

    I REALLY HOPE I'M WRONG ABOUT THIS
    - BUT CURRENTLY, IT DOESN'T LOOK SO GOOD THAT I COULD BE WRONG!
    I truly hope I'm wrong........
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    I don't like to recycle my own posts so to speak, but I don't know why in the world they don't give Favre "Peyton like" control of the offence. He's been through, and seen it all. I would be shocked if he wasn't able to pull it off successfully.
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    because favre's a competetive passer, he'd run the ball like twice a game! :lol: :lol:
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    Ahaha that would be hilarious to hear after he's retired that one way opposing defences knew what was coming was to read his face: lit up, big grin=pass play. Somber, almost bored face=run.:D
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    AG's pretty much nailin' here... And, I don't see Sherman being all that much a risk taker, either! He'd "marty Schottenheimer him to death - Brett'd be out there trying to pull the plug on that earphone in the helmet -- Can ya see it - in the huddle... "Hey guys, help me out here... circle around keep the cameras off me for minute...eh?" (And then him forgettin so-and-so has a mic on for the game.. damned righteous scripting, I say..... lol

    Then again.........

    Brett is every bit the QB that Elway showed himself to be near the end of his career... and then some - John was never a three time MVP...ever!
    Given some maturity Brett has these days - it could most likely work in the Team's favor - especially with timeclock manuevering.. keeping the defense off balance and not so rested as they get at times while Sherman & Co decide if they should call a pass play since the first to run attempts failed...DOH!
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    if it wins games


    im down for it
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    well, it did work in 2002 for Oakland..but defenses have since adapted to that type of a game plan.
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    i don't recall edge getting 30 carries a game.
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    Twice just last year.

    VS. NEW ENGLAND
    30 att
    142 yds
    4.7 per carry
    16 long
    0 td


    VS. OAKLAND
    32 att
    136 yds
    4.3 per carry
    17 long
    1 td


    He has averaged over his career just under 23 carries a game.

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