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Well fellas we are here, the day many of you know I anticipate for nearly 12 months at a time LOL...let's crack into some final thoughts of mine, that way we can all circle back to them in about three or four years and point out how crazy and dumb I was.
Tyni Predictions
*The Packers will not pick at #52 OR will make two other trades in the draft if they do. Put simply, I don't like how our needs are intersecting how I suspect the board to fall. I do think that Cisse, Johnson or McCoy make it to the Dolphins pick at 43...the first spot I envision a move up possibly happening by us. For my money the only guys I envision GB wanting to move up for are possibly Cisse and Johnson at CB | Miller and maybe Hunter at DL (if Lee calmed some of their apprehension in his visit). Now granted, I envision a TON of OL getting drafted on Day1...Edges and we could see Cisse or Johnson fall to us but I think it is rather thin. Most of the Packer types at CB truly do sit in that 75-150 likely range and honestly if we don't like Big Citrus I don't envision a DL at 52 we think is of value either.
We will draft two DBs and two DLs. It could end up being just on Day3 for both positions or one of them but I envision that occurring. Now I will say if we get a high class CB, the second corner we pick may not be an outside type and could be a hybrid slot/safety potential type late on Day3 but still a DB.
Fans will implode over at least one pick or move by Gute for NO REASON. Safest prediction ever.
*Danis Dennis-Sutton doesn't make it past 52...scouting departments see it, GMs know it...he has the potential to be incredible....IF we do pick at 52 and Danis is there, it will be him. If he isn't I'll say Brazzell.
Kaleb Proctor or Jordan van den Berg will be a Packer.
Final Mocks
Given that I strongly feel we won't pick at 52 I wanted to provide two scenarios; trade back and a realistic not asinine trade up.
Trade Up Scenario
2.43 Chris Johnson CB San Diego State
Dolphins Trade us 2.43 | 7.227 | 2027 R7 for GB's 2.52 | 4.120 | 2027 R4 | 2027 R6
Some will argue we gave up too much...others will see it for what it is, a DEAL/STEAL if you hit on Johnson. Chris is nearly a first round CB, and in truth some of his film screams first round...he is every bit of the CB version of Danis Dennis Sutton...the skillset, the raw athleticism all point towards him having possibly the highest upside/ceiling in his class. He does have some mental lapses in coverage and can try to make a play instead of making the play...but he instantly upgrades our CB room now and into the future. Pick 43 is what I have circled for when I'd not be shocked Gute trades up...anything before that I don't envision him doing it. RAS 9.84
4.103 Will Lee III CB Texas A&M
Jets trade 4.103 | 4.140 | 2027 R5
Gute gave up picks to grab Johnson and he is going to **** fans with this move...not only does he trade back, but he doubles up at CB. Kaleb Proctor was off the board or else he'd run the card in at this pick...but they love Will Lee. Lee has awesome movement skills, click and close and is sticky in man coverage for sure. In truth by doubling Gute for sure at worst case one of them clicks year one and will be a starter...best case Valentine and Nixon are backups and/or in on nickle and dime packages only. This could also allow Nixon to be more diversely used at slot or safety which I still think is where he needs tobe. 9.39 RAS
4.140 Jager Burton iOL Kentucky
Jager has a ton of guard experience but also now at center. While Gute is not one to take a pure guard often, Burton is not your normal guard with his expansion of proving he can play center. Immediately he becomes the backup center at worst case and provides us flexibility if a guard goes down and he or Rhyan can slide in somewhere. 9.88 RAS showcased his athleticism that already pops on film.
5.153 Eli Raridon TE Notre Dame
Eli is someone I've loved having on my college team. Dude is fully willing to block, isn't incredible at it but his technique has gotten better and better and this year he started using leverage better, sinking his hips more and his arm length was used to his advantage. In the passing game he was one of the best deep threats out of all TEs producing BIG PLAYS seemingly when ND needed or called his name. His in air body control and highpointing is special despite his athleticism not popping on film, but I think that is mainly due to he is a smooth mover that doesn't appear to be working hard. His 1.60 ten yard split is incredible for his size (6'5' 245lbs) and has giant hands which he uses to barely ever drop passes. RAS of 9.46...it's a luxury that he won't have to be forced into a lot of snaps but I wouldn't be shocked if last half of the season he is the TE with the second most snaps only behind Kraft.
5.160 Kaelon Black RB Indiana
I'm a fan of Black, but some might see this as a luxury pick....and it kind of is. IF Lloyd finally has gotten his body right, and is the runner/threat we all saw in college Black is immediately your 4th back this rookie year because Brooks cannot be outdone by anyone for 3rd down roles....BUT if Black showcases everything translates and the game isn't too fast, and Lloyd is healthy....this pick saves the Packers $13M in 2027 because Jacobs will be released. Kaelon is only 5'9' but with 211lbs he is built like a mini tank...and that mini tank still runs at 4.45 with an explosive first couple steps. 27 reps on bench showcases why a DB better have good form or else Black will be the one doing the punishment and likely end up yards down the field still. RAS of 9.14
6.201 Jordan van den Berg DT Georgia Tech
I'll be honest, it wasn't until his Top30 visit that I found film on him. Crazy athletic, underutilized at GT and a kid that I really think still has some steps to take....but folks there is no toolsy-er, athletically gifted DT in the draft than him....he's just very raw and needs better technique and less dependent on raw skill to win reps. At 6'3' and 310lbs and NT experience...perhaps he is actually the NT of the future, but unlike Brevard (next pick) - Jordan is so supremely athletic he could slide anywhere we need. We are talking about a guy at 310lbs out running some TEs in the forty....his ten yard split is better than some WRs many TEs and RBs in the draft. His 4.19 shuttle is low end LB level...jumping 36 inches shouldn't be possible....I'm telling you, no other Day3 prospect has a higher ceiling.
7.227 Cole Brevard DT Texas
Brevard is a BIGGUN at 343lbs on a 6'2' frame. Has lots of strength, slightly shorter arms than you'd imagine but 70th plus % against the run...for sure will give Stackhouse serious threat to his roster spot and I think could spin into being a TJ Slaton type nose for us. RAS is 5.97 but that makes sense due to being so big...
7.236 Enrique Cruz Jr. OT Kansas
Swing tackle with both LT and RT starting years in college, very athletic...body type GB loves to draft regardless of if Tackle is the plan or guard. RAS of 9.99
7.255 Anthony Smith WR East Carolina
1800 yards and 13 TDs over the last two years, smooth mover who has some juice. Can he translate from the small time to the big time....2027 will be his growth year hopefully so long as WR stays healthy...but if he is needed, there is a lot to like there. RAS 9.20....his forty time 4.4 with a SUB 1.50 ten yard split <-- ELITE
At an attempt to not write a novel...this is the trade down scenario with no breakdowns as many have been broken down above, in past threads or such...ask if you want though:
3.70 Ted Hurst WR Georgia State
We trade 2.52 for CLE 3.70 | 4.107 | 2027 R5
Hurst is a coinflip guy this year. If you said a team picks him in the top 50 or he nearly makes it out of the third I'm not going to be shocked. Very small school prospect, chose to stay there instead of transferring and for sure upping his stock if he succeeded...but so many traits, so much athleticism...so much savviness to his movement skills....and GB loves him - this is known. Gute misses out on the CBs and DTs that he wanted at 52...picks up serious equity with a trade with Cleveland and sees Hurst still there.
3.84 Will Lee III CB Texas A&M
4.107 Kaleb Proctor DT Southeastern Louisiana
4.126 Brian Parker OL Duke
5.153 Ephesians Prysock CB Washington
5.160 Eli Raridon TE Notre Dame
6.201 Jordan van den Berg DT Georgia Tech
7.236 Enrique Cruz Jr OT Kansas
7.255 Chip Trayanum RB Toledo
Tyni Predictions
*The Packers will not pick at #52 OR will make two other trades in the draft if they do. Put simply, I don't like how our needs are intersecting how I suspect the board to fall. I do think that Cisse, Johnson or McCoy make it to the Dolphins pick at 43...the first spot I envision a move up possibly happening by us. For my money the only guys I envision GB wanting to move up for are possibly Cisse and Johnson at CB | Miller and maybe Hunter at DL (if Lee calmed some of their apprehension in his visit). Now granted, I envision a TON of OL getting drafted on Day1...Edges and we could see Cisse or Johnson fall to us but I think it is rather thin. Most of the Packer types at CB truly do sit in that 75-150 likely range and honestly if we don't like Big Citrus I don't envision a DL at 52 we think is of value either.
We will draft two DBs and two DLs. It could end up being just on Day3 for both positions or one of them but I envision that occurring. Now I will say if we get a high class CB, the second corner we pick may not be an outside type and could be a hybrid slot/safety potential type late on Day3 but still a DB.
Fans will implode over at least one pick or move by Gute for NO REASON. Safest prediction ever.
*Danis Dennis-Sutton doesn't make it past 52...scouting departments see it, GMs know it...he has the potential to be incredible....IF we do pick at 52 and Danis is there, it will be him. If he isn't I'll say Brazzell.
Kaleb Proctor or Jordan van den Berg will be a Packer.
Final Mocks
Given that I strongly feel we won't pick at 52 I wanted to provide two scenarios; trade back and a realistic not asinine trade up.
Trade Up Scenario
2.43 Chris Johnson CB San Diego State
Dolphins Trade us 2.43 | 7.227 | 2027 R7 for GB's 2.52 | 4.120 | 2027 R4 | 2027 R6
Some will argue we gave up too much...others will see it for what it is, a DEAL/STEAL if you hit on Johnson. Chris is nearly a first round CB, and in truth some of his film screams first round...he is every bit of the CB version of Danis Dennis Sutton...the skillset, the raw athleticism all point towards him having possibly the highest upside/ceiling in his class. He does have some mental lapses in coverage and can try to make a play instead of making the play...but he instantly upgrades our CB room now and into the future. Pick 43 is what I have circled for when I'd not be shocked Gute trades up...anything before that I don't envision him doing it. RAS 9.84
4.103 Will Lee III CB Texas A&M
Jets trade 4.103 | 4.140 | 2027 R5
Gute gave up picks to grab Johnson and he is going to **** fans with this move...not only does he trade back, but he doubles up at CB. Kaleb Proctor was off the board or else he'd run the card in at this pick...but they love Will Lee. Lee has awesome movement skills, click and close and is sticky in man coverage for sure. In truth by doubling Gute for sure at worst case one of them clicks year one and will be a starter...best case Valentine and Nixon are backups and/or in on nickle and dime packages only. This could also allow Nixon to be more diversely used at slot or safety which I still think is where he needs tobe. 9.39 RAS
4.140 Jager Burton iOL Kentucky
Jager has a ton of guard experience but also now at center. While Gute is not one to take a pure guard often, Burton is not your normal guard with his expansion of proving he can play center. Immediately he becomes the backup center at worst case and provides us flexibility if a guard goes down and he or Rhyan can slide in somewhere. 9.88 RAS showcased his athleticism that already pops on film.
5.153 Eli Raridon TE Notre Dame
Eli is someone I've loved having on my college team. Dude is fully willing to block, isn't incredible at it but his technique has gotten better and better and this year he started using leverage better, sinking his hips more and his arm length was used to his advantage. In the passing game he was one of the best deep threats out of all TEs producing BIG PLAYS seemingly when ND needed or called his name. His in air body control and highpointing is special despite his athleticism not popping on film, but I think that is mainly due to he is a smooth mover that doesn't appear to be working hard. His 1.60 ten yard split is incredible for his size (6'5' 245lbs) and has giant hands which he uses to barely ever drop passes. RAS of 9.46...it's a luxury that he won't have to be forced into a lot of snaps but I wouldn't be shocked if last half of the season he is the TE with the second most snaps only behind Kraft.
5.160 Kaelon Black RB Indiana
I'm a fan of Black, but some might see this as a luxury pick....and it kind of is. IF Lloyd finally has gotten his body right, and is the runner/threat we all saw in college Black is immediately your 4th back this rookie year because Brooks cannot be outdone by anyone for 3rd down roles....BUT if Black showcases everything translates and the game isn't too fast, and Lloyd is healthy....this pick saves the Packers $13M in 2027 because Jacobs will be released. Kaelon is only 5'9' but with 211lbs he is built like a mini tank...and that mini tank still runs at 4.45 with an explosive first couple steps. 27 reps on bench showcases why a DB better have good form or else Black will be the one doing the punishment and likely end up yards down the field still. RAS of 9.14
6.201 Jordan van den Berg DT Georgia Tech
I'll be honest, it wasn't until his Top30 visit that I found film on him. Crazy athletic, underutilized at GT and a kid that I really think still has some steps to take....but folks there is no toolsy-er, athletically gifted DT in the draft than him....he's just very raw and needs better technique and less dependent on raw skill to win reps. At 6'3' and 310lbs and NT experience...perhaps he is actually the NT of the future, but unlike Brevard (next pick) - Jordan is so supremely athletic he could slide anywhere we need. We are talking about a guy at 310lbs out running some TEs in the forty....his ten yard split is better than some WRs many TEs and RBs in the draft. His 4.19 shuttle is low end LB level...jumping 36 inches shouldn't be possible....I'm telling you, no other Day3 prospect has a higher ceiling.
7.227 Cole Brevard DT Texas
Brevard is a BIGGUN at 343lbs on a 6'2' frame. Has lots of strength, slightly shorter arms than you'd imagine but 70th plus % against the run...for sure will give Stackhouse serious threat to his roster spot and I think could spin into being a TJ Slaton type nose for us. RAS is 5.97 but that makes sense due to being so big...
7.236 Enrique Cruz Jr. OT Kansas
Swing tackle with both LT and RT starting years in college, very athletic...body type GB loves to draft regardless of if Tackle is the plan or guard. RAS of 9.99
7.255 Anthony Smith WR East Carolina
1800 yards and 13 TDs over the last two years, smooth mover who has some juice. Can he translate from the small time to the big time....2027 will be his growth year hopefully so long as WR stays healthy...but if he is needed, there is a lot to like there. RAS 9.20....his forty time 4.4 with a SUB 1.50 ten yard split <-- ELITE
At an attempt to not write a novel...this is the trade down scenario with no breakdowns as many have been broken down above, in past threads or such...ask if you want though:
3.70 Ted Hurst WR Georgia State
We trade 2.52 for CLE 3.70 | 4.107 | 2027 R5
Hurst is a coinflip guy this year. If you said a team picks him in the top 50 or he nearly makes it out of the third I'm not going to be shocked. Very small school prospect, chose to stay there instead of transferring and for sure upping his stock if he succeeded...but so many traits, so much athleticism...so much savviness to his movement skills....and GB loves him - this is known. Gute misses out on the CBs and DTs that he wanted at 52...picks up serious equity with a trade with Cleveland and sees Hurst still there.
3.84 Will Lee III CB Texas A&M
4.107 Kaleb Proctor DT Southeastern Louisiana
4.126 Brian Parker OL Duke
5.153 Ephesians Prysock CB Washington
5.160 Eli Raridon TE Notre Dame
6.201 Jordan van den Berg DT Georgia Tech
7.236 Enrique Cruz Jr OT Kansas
7.255 Chip Trayanum RB Toledo
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