I agree with you Packnic on building through the draft. I disagree, though on ignoring Pack66. 66 makes us all better posters because we have to re-examine our posts and convictions on a topic and think harder about them.
What I don't like about some of these threads is that posters are flying off the handle too easily lately and attacking with personal insults. Forums like these should be built on respect for each other and arguments should always be done tactfully. We all need to remember that.
I agree, if Pack66 said "the grass is green" there would be 15 people on here disagreeing with him.
He questioned the Def. Coordinator and immediately got jumped on and had his words twisted around in every which way. It is a question that is valid. I am a Pack fan and always will be but it's OK to question your teams decision making process, even if it's not popular.
As far as TT goes, I am definitely not buying this rosy picture that some of you like to paint. Do I think TT is awful, no, but if you are judging him on his track record thus far it's definitely not great. Actually, if it was not for Collins it would be hard to find anything to say positive about him. Here are the reasons I think TT thus far has been less than stellar
1. Free Agency last year. TT wasted what little money we had on complete garbage last year. The argument here will be we didn't have any money to sign top-notch free agents, but that is bogus. If you are a crackhead and only have 10.00 to your name and you buy more crack with it, you still are not ATTEMPTING to fix your problem.
2. The 2005 draft. Other than Collins, who was not quite the secret that people think he was, the draft class was average at best. I am hoping Coston pans out and maybe Poppinga can recover but thats what you get for drafting an injury prone guy. Murphy had his career cut short, but, noone knows if the guy would have been any good had it not happened. Whittacker does not fit this sytem.A-Rod has yet to show anything. Hawkins, Campbell and Underwood were dissapointing. Montgomery is average and Bragg was cut. People will act likt TT is a genius for getting Collins, but c'mon he had a 1-7 chance of nailing someone decent. Some of these guys may have long, productive careers, but as of now, the draft was average.
3. The Walker situation. I know Javon wanted out and noone KNOWS the real reason. Was it strictly money? Did he want a more 'HIGH PROFILE' type of team? Probably a bit of both, BUT, TT could have held his ground with him. Instead he gave him his way for nothing more than a second round pick, which he turned into more picks. The problem I have with it is I would have rather had walker than Ingle Martin, Moll,Spitz,Blackmon,etc combined. If that was the most we could get out of him, I would have just let him sit.
4. A 4-12 season. No matter what excuses you want to make he ultimately has to be held accountable. The injuries were ungodly, MS was a disaster last year, and the games were close, but, in the end it was a painful season.
I understand that people want to be positive but thus far TT has been overall a failure. Every argument will be "but we had injuries" or "give the guys time" or "we had no money". They are all valid arguments but if he was a top-notch guy perhaps we would not have to make excuses.
I am not TT hating but I can't blame people for questioning him. I love what he did in Free Agency this year but outside of Hawk and Jennings and Rodgers think he missed the boat via the draft this year. The free agents could be awful and the draft could be great for all any of us know and being that we have not seen these guys play together as of yet, both sides have points. You can argue these guys can be great BUT someone else can argue they will not. It's not GB hating but stating your opinion. May it be biased, yes, but it's biased on both sides. Pack66 may be negative but Trom is never going to say anything more than "TT is God". It works both ways and piling on someone because he looks at things a different way than you AND you just don't like them is childish.
In the end judging by what TT has shown thus far he has failed. Will it change, I hope so but am not real confident.