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Ok, it seems that things are essentially settled for 2021-- the Packers are going to take one last run at the Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers and a loaded roster.

But now that the deal is signed, we can see that things are decidedly unsettled for 2022.

Rodgers negotiated himself into a restructure that will force the Packers to do one of two things next offseason: extend him, or trade him.

To keep him as is would mean that Green Bay would have a 46M$ cap hit to work around, which is virtually impossible given the rest of the players on the cap. An extension could lower that number. But if he won't sign an extension, they would have to trade him. The acquiring team would get him for 26.5M in 2022, and the Packers would eat 26.8M in dead money (or they could spread it out if it's post 6/1).

So it seems that a trade is the most likely outcome. So my questions are: to whom? and for how much?

Who Might Pursue Rodgers?

-Denver Broncos: Obvious candidate in that they are in the AFC, have a lot of talent on the roster, and no prospects at QB.

-Las Vegas Raiders: Gruden is always eager to upgrade at QB, and if 2021 doesn't go well, he's going to be desperate.

-Indianapolis Colts: If the Wentz reclamation project blows up, they are going to be in the market for an immediate solution.

-Miami Dolphins: Tua would have to really bomb, but if that does happen, they may try to pivot to someone who can help right now.

-Pittsburgh Steelers: This doesn't really feel like a Steelers move to me, but they could easily be in the market for a QB.

-New Orleans Saints: Being in the NFC makes this less likely, but they are an aggressive FO with a need at the position.

-Carolina Panthers: Also NFC, but they have an aggressive, motivated owner and probably don't have an in-house answer.

-Philadelphia Eagles: Another NFC team, but one that could likely use a QB upgrade sooner rather than later.

-Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Again-- NFC, but if Brady retires and Arians wants to keep going, they won't want to go the rookie route.

-New York Giants: If Jones stinks, but the FO survives, they may be ready to take a huge swing on a guy who can save their jobs.

-Bottom Line: It is highly unlikely that all of these teams will be in on the Rodgers sweepstakes, but there are enough potential suitors that even if a few of them don't materialize, there will be real competition (which suits Green Bay very well). I would expect that there will be about three serious contenders for his services from the AFC, and that those will be the teams with a real shot. I'm sure that the Packers will entertain offers from NFC teams, in order to drive competition, but without ever seriously being willing to deal him within the conference.

How Much Might Rodgers Return?

-Matthew Stafford:
The most recent touchstone we have for a franchise QB getting traded is Matthew Stafford. Stafford was traded in return for Jared Goff, a 2021 3rd round pick, a 2022 1st round pick, and a 2023 1st round pick. So how does Stafford's value as a trade chip compare to Rodgers'?

---Stafford: 33 years old, 96.3 Rating in 2020, 20M cap hit in 2021, 23M cap hit in 2022, FA in 2023
---Rodgers: 38 years old, 121.5 Rating in 2020, 26.5M cap hit in 2022, FA in 2023

So Stafford has the edge in value when it comes to age and control. He's 5 years younger, and the Rams acquired him with two seasons of affordable control, which allowed them to pick him up without immediately extending him. Rodgers will be significantly older and will have only one year of control for the acquiring team, which probably means that whoever trades for him will want to extend him immediately.

On the other hand, if Rodgers has a 2021 season similar to his 2020, he will be viewed as a much higher quality player. The gap might not be quite as massive as fans would think, because the league likes Stafford a lot more than the public, but it's still sizeable.

So given the balancing factors of Rodgers being older and less controllable, but still significantly better, I would guess that the Stafford haul is the floor of what the Packers could get for Rodgers-- two 1st round picks plus some extras. It could be higher than that, but I would be surprised if it turned out to be less than that.

Caveat: The one issue that I could see arising here for Green Bay has to do with Rodgers' willingness to sign an extension. If there are, say, five teams that are seriously competing to trade for Rodgers, that will drive the price up. But if teams will only trade for him with an extension in place, that could give him some leverage. If he says "I'm only signing an extension with Team X," it drives down the competition, and hence the price. Teams may still be willing to call his bluff, and he might have more multiple teams that he's willing to sign with, but that's one issue that I could see creating a problem.
 

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Good analysis.

Let's say Rodgers doesn't approve any trade partner next year, and decides not to sign an extension.
Then says he wants to play for the Packers in 2022, causing the 46 mil cap hit.

Does that force them to release him, giving him the freedom to go to whatever team he wants, and giving that team
more cap and draft picks to build around him since they didn't have to trade for him?
 

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Good analysis.

Let's say Rodgers doesn't approve any trade partner next year, and decides not to sign an extension.
Then says he wants to play for the Packers in 2022, causing the 46 mil cap hit.

Does that force them to release him, giving him the freedom to go to whatever team he wants, and giving that team
more cap and draft picks to build around him since they didn't have to trade for him?

Yeah I suppose that’s possible. But in that case, they could just lower their asking price and trade him to whoever. They would get less, but I’m sure that having him for one season at 26M plus the opportunity to convince him to extend would be worth quite a bit.

They could also threaten to gut the roster to get under the cap, keep him at 46M, and make him play with a skeleton crew.
 

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I think in the end both parties will see that it’s within their best interests to cooperate. If Rodgers will work an extension in theory with a handful of favored teams, he will have a measure of control over where he goes. And if the team takes his interests into account, they will raise his value by creating a scenario where an extension agreement can happen.
 

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I hope you're right.
But it seems since Rodgers and Favre have become closer friends, it feels like Rodgers has been acting more like Favre in his later years. Like Favre is whispering in Rodgers ear "they're not treating you right" or "yep, that's what they did to me".

No proof, just a suspicion.
 

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I think in the end both parties will see that it’s within their best interests to cooperate. If Rodgers will work an extension in theory with a handful of favored teams, he will have a measure of control over where he goes. And if the team takes his interests into account, they will raise his value by creating a scenario where an extension agreement can happen.
I know many fans will be untrusting at this point and I understand that but I tend to agree with you. I think both sides have seen how ugly this could get and will work very hard to come to a solution that will be agreeable to both sides.
 

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I hope you're right.
But it seems since Rodgers and Favre have become closer friends, it feels like Rodgers has been acting more like Favre in his later years. Like Favre is whispering in Rodgers ear "they're not treating you right" or "yep, that's what they did to me".

No proof, just a suspicion.

Who knows? I personally don’t think he needs any help to think that way.
 

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If GB wants to keep Rodgers, it sounds like their best bet is for the team to be successful and be a team that Rodgers would be excited playing with. As opposed to a trade partner that might not be quite so good. A lot of that cake is already baked though.
 

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If GB wants to keep Rodgers, it sounds like their best bet is for the team to be successful and be a team that Rodgers would be excited playing with. As opposed to a trade partner that might not be quite so good. A lot of that cake is already baked though.
And if we don't want to keep him it is better for the team to be successful.
 

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And if we don't want to keep him it is better for the team to be successful.
Very true. If he has a bangin’ year and still wants to leave the Packers could be looking at a nice pay day. Personally, I do have a hard time with the way both sides handled the situation but for the most part it’s over. If he wants out at the end of the season, let him go, it doesn‘t do either side any good to fight about it. I would anticipate Adams leaving as well and probably to the same team. I’ll always remain a Packer faithful either way. Remember when the fans started saying “Brent who…….?” I look forward to watching the first preseason game this coming Saturday!
Go Pack!

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Very true. If he has a bangin’ year and still wants to leave the Packers could be looking at a nice pay day. Personally, I do have a hard time with the way both sides handled the situation but for the most part it’s over. If he wants out at the end of the season, let him go, it doesn‘t do either side any good to fight about it. I would anticipate Adams leaving as well and probably to the same team. I’ll always remain a Packer faithful either way. Remember when the fans started saying “Brent who…….?” I look forward to watching the first preseason game this coming Saturday!
Go Pack!

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Yeah? Which team that Rodgers would agree to play for could afford both him and Adams?
 

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I agree that it would be pretty tough for any team to be able to afford both of them next year and going forward.
 

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I agree that it would be pretty tough for any team to be able to afford both of them next year and going forward.
Trade for Rodgers next offseason and get him for one year at about $27m. Not bank breaking in the least. He'd want a longer contract before showing up though. So that would be a max for that one season as any GM can structure the extension to push the cap hits out.
 

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Ok, it seems that things are essentially settled for 2021-- the Packers are going to take one last run at the Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers and a loaded roster.

But now that the deal is signed, we can see that things are decidedly unsettled for 2022.

Rodgers negotiated himself into a restructure that will force the Packers to do one of two things next offseason: extend him, or trade him.

To keep him as is would mean that Green Bay would have a 46M$ cap hit to work around, which is virtually impossible given the rest of the players on the cap. An extension could lower that number. But if he won't sign an extension, they would have to trade him. The acquiring team would get him for 26.5M in 2022, and the Packers would eat 26.8M in dead money (or they could spread it out if it's post 6/1).

So it seems that a trade is the most likely outcome. So my questions are: to whom? and for how much?

Who Might Pursue Rodgers?

-Denver Broncos: Obvious candidate in that they are in the AFC, have a lot of talent on the roster, and no prospects at QB.

-Las Vegas Raiders: Gruden is always eager to upgrade at QB, and if 2021 doesn't go well, he's going to be desperate.

-Indianapolis Colts: If the Wentz reclamation project blows up, they are going to be in the market for an immediate solution.

-Miami Dolphins: Tua would have to really bomb, but if that does happen, they may try to pivot to someone who can help right now.

-Pittsburgh Steelers: This doesn't really feel like a Steelers move to me, but they could easily be in the market for a QB.

-New Orleans Saints: Being in the NFC makes this less likely, but they are an aggressive FO with a need at the position.

-Carolina Panthers: Also NFC, but they have an aggressive, motivated owner and probably don't have an in-house answer.

-Philadelphia Eagles: Another NFC team, but one that could likely use a QB upgrade sooner rather than later.

-Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Again-- NFC, but if Brady retires and Arians wants to keep going, they won't want to go the rookie route.

-New York Giants: If Jones stinks, but the FO survives, they may be ready to take a huge swing on a guy who can save their jobs.

-Bottom Line: It is highly unlikely that all of these teams will be in on the Rodgers sweepstakes, but there are enough potential suitors that even if a few of them don't materialize, there will be real competition (which suits Green Bay very well). I would expect that there will be about three serious contenders for his services from the AFC, and that those will be the teams with a real shot. I'm sure that the Packers will entertain offers from NFC teams, in order to drive competition, but without ever seriously being willing to deal him within the conference.

How Much Might Rodgers Return?

-Matthew Stafford:
The most recent touchstone we have for a franchise QB getting traded is Matthew Stafford. Stafford was traded in return for Jared Goff, a 2021 3rd round pick, a 2022 1st round pick, and a 2023 1st round pick. So how does Stafford's value as a trade chip compare to Rodgers'?

---Stafford: 33 years old, 96.3 Rating in 2020, 20M cap hit in 2021, 23M cap hit in 2022, FA in 2023
---Rodgers: 38 years old, 121.5 Rating in 2020, 26.5M cap hit in 2022, FA in 2023

So Stafford has the edge in value when it comes to age and control. He's 5 years younger, and the Rams acquired him with two seasons of affordable control, which allowed them to pick him up without immediately extending him. Rodgers will be significantly older and will have only one year of control for the acquiring team, which probably means that whoever trades for him will want to extend him immediately.

On the other hand, if Rodgers has a 2021 season similar to his 2020, he will be viewed as a much higher quality player. The gap might not be quite as massive as fans would think, because the league likes Stafford a lot more than the public, but it's still sizeable.

So given the balancing factors of Rodgers being older and less controllable, but still significantly better, I would guess that the Stafford haul is the floor of what the Packers could get for Rodgers-- two 1st round picks plus some extras. It could be higher than that, but I would be surprised if it turned out to be less than that.

Caveat: The one issue that I could see arising here for Green Bay has to do with Rodgers' willingness to sign an extension. If there are, say, five teams that are seriously competing to trade for Rodgers, that will drive the price up. But if teams will only trade for him with an extension in place, that could give him some leverage. If he says "I'm only signing an extension with Team X," it drives down the competition, and hence the price. Teams may still be willing to call his bluff, and he might have more multiple teams that he's willing to sign with, but that's one issue that I could see creating a problem.
Good analysis.
 

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-Matthew Stafford: The most recent touchstone we have for a franchise QB getting traded is Matthew Stafford. Stafford was traded in return for Jared Goff, a 2021 3rd round pick, a 2022 1st round pick, and a 2023 1st round pick. So how does Stafford's value as a trade chip compare to Rodgers'?

---Stafford: 33 years old, 96.3 Rating in 2020, 20M cap hit in 2021, 23M cap hit in 2022, FA in 2023
---Rodgers: 38 years old, 121.5 Rating in 2020, 26.5M cap hit in 2022, FA in 2023

So Stafford has the edge in value when it comes to age and control. He's 5 years younger, and the Rams acquired him with two seasons of affordable control, which allowed them to pick him up without immediately extending him. Rodgers will be significantly older and will have only one year of control for the acquiring team, which probably means that whoever trades for him will want to extend him immediately.

On the other hand, if Rodgers has a 2021 season similar to his 2020, he will be viewed as a much higher quality player. The gap might not be quite as massive as fans would think, because the league likes Stafford a lot more than the public, but it's still sizeable.

So given the balancing factors of Rodgers being older and less controllable, but still significantly better, I would guess that the Stafford haul is the floor of what the Packers could get for Rodgers-- two 1st round picks plus some extras. It could be higher than that, but I would be surprised if it turned out to be less than that.
the one thing that you are overlooking is how badly the rams wanted to get rid of goff's contract. they threw in an extra 1st round pick to get the lions to take goff off their hands.
 

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I hope the Packers and Rodgers work things out. I have come to realize this could be the last year Rodgers will be wearing a Packer uniform. With that being said what type of compensation would Rodgers bring to the Packers.

Rodgers is picking up where he left off from an MVP season. Rodgers looks great and has never had a major injury.

I would look for 2 first round picks, 2 third round picks and an established starter to open talks.
 

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I agree that it would be pretty tough for any team to be able to afford both of them next year and going forward.
Denver will need a QB, UFA WR's Sutton & Patrick need replacing or re-signing AND they have $77+Mil cap space. They're also on AR's rumored "preferred team" list. Not that they/she can't afford to sell & buy somewhere else but Shailene Woodley has a home in Boulder, CO. ;)
 

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Denver makes all the sense in the world and IF we lose Davante Adams as well, could easily see this trade include Jeudy or perhaps Fant/Okwuegbunam (especially if Tonyan leaves) in return as well.

If as I suspect both Smiths may be gone, I'm not relying solely on the draft to fix the void and I would love to see if Denver trade happens Malik Reed come to us. He is a RFA so that would need sorted and then done. Malik is an undrafted OLB that in 2020 really turned on as a contributor and starter playing over 70% of their snaps and getting 8 sacks. this year he is playing as much and has delivered a sack.
 

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Rodgers seems to be doing just fine. How long ago were those broken collar bones? Also, didn’t he come back with a touchdown pass to Cobb against the Bears in the final game of the season after sitting out with a broken collar bone.
 
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