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The REAL story on Coach Bates

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by all about da packers, Oct 20, 2006.

  1. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Mar 6, 2005
    I do not think I said Sanders is as good as or better then Bates, all I was doing was pointing out that Bates got the D last year to be just AVERAGE or slightly below average..

    I think one of the biggest things from this year compared to last year is the D's ability to seem to stop a team when it gets in the red zone.

    This year the D is ranked #7 in that stat..15 poss~~6 tds, 6 fg...
    red zone stats

    Last years stats 15 poss ~~9 tds, 4 fgs after 5 games ranked 27th
    2005 , 5 games red zone

    They have more sacks after 5 games then what the d had last year after 5 games and rank #10

    But this years D is giving up the bigger plays that are TDS than what last years D did...I think that is what people are noticing, and rightly so...Stop giving up those types of TDs on the big pass plays and the D would be just about AVERAGE..

    They have given up 28 20+ yard pass plays..and rank last..Indy has only given up 6...

    they have given up 6 40+ yard pass plays, and rank near bottom, Indy has given up NONE..

    Those big plays are a result of what I think DB being out of postion for what ever reason, which never seemed to happen with last years D..
  2. Anubis

    Anubis Cheesehead

    Jun 12, 2005
    Let's see if we get this correct. According to NFL.com:

    Under Slowit, we had the 25th overall ranked defense.
    Under Bates we had the 7th overall ranked defense.
    Under Sanders, we are proudly the 31st overall ranked defense.

    All three of these DCs utilized mostly the same personnel, with minor upgrades between each year. Of course, these stats mean nothing because apparently the 7th overall is actually the 18th, which means our 31st must be closer to 42nd. :roll:

    Regardless, it is obvious that Bates is the best DC we have had in 3 years. When Wannstedt left Miami, the Fish were at an abysmal 1-8 record. After Bates assumed HC duties they beat 3 of their next 7 opponents, including the Superbowl Champion New England Patriots.

    As DC in Miami from 2000-2004, Jim Bates fielded a top 10 defense (if NFL.com stats are to be believed - see above) and produced 18 Pro Bowl selections.

    OF course, feel free to continue to wallow in your ignorance of both Bates coaching record, and the improvements he made to the Packers defense. It is probably a lot easier than coming to the realization that if we still had Bates at the helm, our defense would actually be able to stop a 5 year old, and quite possibly win some games for us.

    IMO, letting Bates walk was the single biggest mistake TT has made since he began his tenure in Green Bay, but I am sure some here will continue to twist the facts in a lame attempt to prove otherwise.

    GO PACK!!!

    Robert C. Hedley

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