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[Dantés]

Yes, Poppa, it WAS necessary to start a new thread just for this. The people want to know what I have to say!

Here's my final prediction and hope for next week, Thursday:

Round 1, Pick 14:

• My Pick: M. Fitzpatrick, DB, UA-- Fitzpatrick would offer immediately help in the slot and versatility to play safety and dime linebacker. He's a playmaker and tone-setter, playing with his hair on fire.
• Dream Option: D. Ward, CB, OSU-- Ward is a perfect fit for Pettine's defense, but I don't think he falls.
• Other Options: As I mocked out the first round, the other options I liked included--
  • J. Jackson, CB, IA
  • L. Vander Esch, LB, BSU
  • C. Ridley, WR, UA

Round 2, Pick 45:

• My Pick: J. Sweat, ED, FSU-- Sweat is a supremely talented edge rusher who was miscast as more of a 5T in college. If put in a better position, he should be a much better pro.
• Dream Option: D. Moore, WR, MAR-- Moore's YAC ability and explosive athleticism would be excellent additions to the offense, but I think he goes top 40.
• Other Options:
  • A. Corbett, OL, NEV
  • C. Kirk, WR, TAMU
  • D. Chark, WR, LSU

Round 3, Pick 76:

• My Pick: A. Miller, WR, Memphis-- Miller is a great athlete and really refine receiver. He can play inside and outside and is one of the better route runners in this class. He profiles as a Z or slot and could be a good #2 option.
• Other Options:
  • M. Gallup, WR, CSU
  • F. Warner, LB, BYU
  • I. Yiadom, CB, BC
  • K. Turay, ED, RUT

Round 4, Pick 101:

• My Pick: J. Noteboom, OL, TCU-- Noteboom checks the athletic boxes that the Packers look for. He has OT length while still being short enough to work inside to guard if need be.
• Other Options:
  • D. Pettis, WR, UW
  • M. Stewart, DB, UNC
  • D. Armstrong, ED, KAN
  • S. Griffin, LB, UCF

Round 4, Pick 133:

• My Pick: O. Burks, LB, VAN-- Burks switched positions yearly at Vandy which never allowed him to settle in to any given spot. But he's highly talented and seems like a natural WILB.
  • P. Nickerson, CB, TUL
  • J. Moore, WR, MIZZ
  • C. Herndon, TE, MIA

I’ll stop there. What I’d really like to see is some trade ups in the middle rounds so that we could secure multiples of the middle round clusters.

 

[Dantés]

5th Round Plus Targets:

• Running Back
  • John Kelly, Tennessee: Kelly is essentially a better version of Jamaal Williams, so he might be considered redundant, but if he slips late I think he'd be great depth. He won't break big plays, but he will gain tough yards and he's a quality receiver.
  • Darrel Williams, LSU: Williams is a tough interior runner with a short yardage and 3rd down skillset. His forty was horrible (4.72), but I don't really care about his long speed. If the forty drops him, I think he could make a good 4th back.

• Wide Receiver
  • Allen Lazard, Iowa State: I've seen some takes that Lazard needs to play TE, but I think he has more than enough speed at his size to stay on the boundary.
  • Daesean Hamilton, Penn State: Hamilton is limited, but he's an excellent route runner and the consistent chatter around him is that he'll go late but be great in the locker room.
  • Cedrick Wilson, Boise State: Wilson doesn't excel in any one particular area, but he has a well rounded skill set. After his solid workout, I'd be happy to take him in the later rounds.

• Tight End: All of the following are blocking specialist TE's.
  • Dalton Schultz, Stanford
  • Durham Smythe, Notre Dame
  • Will Dissly, Washington
  • Ryan Izzo

• Offensive Line:
  • True Tackles:
    • Greg Senat, Wagner
    • Brandon Parker, North Carolina A&T
    • Matt Gono, Wesleyan
  • College Tackles to Transition Inside:
    • Aaron Stinnie, James Madison
    • K.J. Malone, LSU
    • Nick Gates, Nebraska
    • Elijah Nkansah, Toledo
    • Aaron Evans, UCF
    • Dejon Allen, Hawaii
  • Interior OL:
    • Scott Quessenberry, UCLA: The Packers have generally preferred to transition college tackles to the interior, but they've made an exception at center. Quessenberry is a true center who meets their athletic thresholds.

• Defensive Line: The key area to address along the line would be a run stuffing nose/shade to backup Clark.
  • Josh Frazier, Alabama
  • Kendrick Norton, Miami

• Off-Ball Linebacker: If the Packers make it into the later rounds without addressing the position, I'll be looking for WILB prospects with athleticism and coverage potential.
  • Joel Iyiegbuniwe, WKU
  • Skai Moore, South Carolina

• Edge: The following are prospects with the athletic traits to be plus pass rushers but who need development. Even if the Packers take one early, I wouldn't mind a flier on one of those players.
  • Kylie Fitts, Utah
  • Trevon Young, Louisville
  • Ade Aruna, Tulane
  • Joe Ostman, WMU

• Defensive Back:
  • Tony Brown, DB, Alabama
  • Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas
  • Brandon Facyson, Va. Tech
  • Deshon Elliott, S, Texas
  • Damon Webb, S, Ohio State

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A guy I would have my eye on late rounds is Tanner Carew, LS out of Oregon. He was the only LS invited to the combine and I have read that he may be the best LS coming out of college in 5 years. This is a position that some view as unimportant, but ask Mason Crosby and Justin Vogel how they feel about that. The Packers seem to always be in a state of flux with their LS, so lock one down.

To me this is like drafting a sure starter in the late rounds and not just a JAG you hope develops in 4 years.

 

[Dantés]

A guy I would have my eye on late rounds is Tanner Carew, LS out of Oregon. He was the only LS invited to the combine and I have read that he may be the best LS coming out of college in 5 years. This is a position that some view as unimportant, but ask Mason Crosby and Justin Vogel how they feel about that. The Packers seem to always be in a state of flux with their LS, so lock one down.

To me this is like drafting a sure starter in the late rounds and not just a JAG you hope develops in 4 years.

That’s a good call. No one was necessarily throwing the LS’s under the bus this last year, but reading between the lines, they were the issue with several of the mishaps.

 

[Dantés]

Carew actually not the worst athlete in the world.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That’s a good call. No one was necessarily throwing the LS’s under the bus this last year, but reading between the lines, they were the issue with several of the mishaps.

A position that is basically suppose to go unnoticed, but I think the guys noticing it more are the K and P. If they have someone in there that they have to worry about getting the ball snapped correctly, that is just one more thing added to what some say is a "mental game" for kickers/punters.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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Two teams that have done a lot of work on draft's top long snapper, Oregon's Tanner Carew: #Bears & #Packers

 

[Dantés]

I took Anthony Miller’s pro day workout and found comps for his tests that were on Mockdraftable so that I could contextualize the numbers.

He’s 5’11”, 201 and ran a 4.50. So pretty average in that department.

But his 39” vertical is 87th%, his 125” broad is 79th%, and his 6.65 three cone is 92nd%.

He worked out coming off a foot injury so I don’t know if that’s all accurate to what he could do at 100% but regardless is pretty impressive for a guy who is also a really strong route runner.

 

[GleefulGary]

I took Anthony Miller’s pro day workout and found comps for his tests that were on Mockdraftable so that I could contextualize the numbers.

He’s 5’11”, 201 and ran a 4.50. So pretty average in that department.

But his 39” vertical is 87th%, his 125” broad is 79th%, and his 6.65 three cone is 92nd%.

He worked out coming off a foot injury so I don’t know if that’s all accurate to what he could do at 100% but regardless is pretty impressive for a guy who is also a really strong route runner.

Give me.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

A guy I would have my eye on late rounds is Tanner Carew, LS out of Oregon. He was the only LS invited to the combine and I have read that he may be the best LS coming out of college in 5 years. This is a position that some view as unimportant, but ask Mason Crosby and Justin Vogel how they feel about that. The Packers seem to always be in a state of flux with their LS, so lock one down.

To me this is like drafting a sure starter in the late rounds and not just a JAG you hope develops in 4 years.

I would be fine with the Packers spending a seventh round pick on Carew.

 

[AmishMafia]

All good and value picks. I'm not familiar with some of your late rounders. But all your early picks, even the options, I agree with.

Except Vander Esch. I think he will be available at 45, and the Packers will pass on him then as well. Lacks something, a Killer instinct? Thinks too much?

Sweat probably too soon, but he wont last till our 3rd.

 

[GleefulGary]

All good and value picks. I'm not familiar with some of your late rounders. But all your early picks, even the options, I agree with.

Except Vander Esch. I think he will be available at 45, and the Packers will pass on him then as well. Lacks something, a Killer instinct? Thinks too much?

Sweat probably too soon, but he wont last till our 3rd.

Vander Esch is for sure a first rounder. If he was there at 45 and we passed, that would incredibly stupid.

 

[Dantés]

All good and value picks. I'm not familiar with some of your late rounders. But all your early picks, even the options, I agree with.

Except Vander Esch. I think he will be available at 45, and the Packers will pass on him then as well. Lacks something, a Killer instinct? Thinks too much?

Sweat probably too soon, but he wont last till our 3rd.

Sweat is really hard to predict. He's maybe the most athletically talented edge in the class but was used in odd ways at FSU and he has a cloudy medical background. I wouldn't be surprised anywhere from the 1st to the 4th.

I disagree on Vander Esch on both counts. The Titans cancelled their meeting with him because they don't think he will make it to #25. I watched all of his games available and I didn't see any lack of killer instinct.

 

[Arthur Squires]

5th Round Plus Targets:

• Running Back
  • John Kelly, Tennessee: Kelly is essentially a better version of Jamaal Williams, so he might be considered redundant, but if he slips late I think he'd be great depth. He won't break big plays, but he will gain tough yards and he's a quality receiver.
  • Darrel Williams, LSU: Williams is a tough interior runner with a short yardage and 3rd down skillset. His forty was horrible (4.72), but I don't really care about his long speed. If the forty drops him, I think he could make a good 4th back.

• Wide Receiver
  • Allen Lazard, Iowa State: I've seen some takes that Lazard needs to play TE, but I think he has more than enough speed at his size to stay on the boundary.
  • Daesean Hamilton, Penn State: Hamilton is limited, but he's an excellent route runner and the consistent chatter around him is that he'll go late but be great in the locker room.
  • Cedrick Wilson, Boise State: Wilson doesn't excel in any one particular area, but he has a well rounded skill set. After his solid workout, I'd be happy to take him in the later rounds.

• Tight End: All of the following are blocking specialist TE's.
  • Dalton Schultz, Stanford
  • Durham Smythe, Notre Dame
  • Will Dissly, Washington
  • Ryan Izzo

• Offensive Line:
  • True Tackles:
    • Greg Senat, Wagner
    • Brandon Parker, North Carolina A&T
    • Matt Gono, Wesleyan
  • College Tackles to Transition Inside:
    • Aaron Stinnie, James Madison
    • K.J. Malone, LSU
    • Nick Gates, Nebraska
    • Elijah Nkansah, Toledo
    • Aaron Evans, UCF
    • Dejon Allen, Hawaii
  • Interior OL:
    • Scott Quessenberry, UCLA: The Packers have generally preferred to transition college tackles to the interior, but they've made an exception at center. Quessenberry is a true center who meets their athletic thresholds.

• Defensive Line: The key area to address along the line would be a run stuffing nose/shade to backup Clark.
  • Josh Frazier, Alabama
  • Kendrick Norton, Miami

• Off-Ball Linebacker: If the Packers make it into the later rounds without addressing the position, I'll be looking for WILB prospects with athleticism and coverage potential.
  • Joel Iyiegbuniwe, WKU
  • Skai Moore, South Carolina

• Edge: The following are prospects with the athletic traits to be plus pass rushers but who need development. Even if the Packers take one early, I wouldn't mind a flier on one of those players.
  • Kylie Fitts, Utah
  • Trevon Young, Louisville
  • Ade Aruna, Tulane
  • Joe Ostman, WMU

• Defensive Back:
  • Tony Brown, DB, Alabama
  • Tremon Smith, CB, Central Arkansas
  • Brandon Facyson, Va. Tech
  • Deshon Elliott, S, Texas
  • Damon Webb, S, Ohio State

Good read. We have interest in alot of same prospects. I had a forum that was locked or blocked or whatever with these same prospects.
1.Lazard- big wideout and a big sleeper. If we draft him in the 4th it would be an absolute steal for us. He would be a redzone target that Rodgers would love no doubt.
2.Skai Moore- Injury issue is a concern. But the insticts and athleticism I've seen him use on the field multiple games vs top tier talent makes me feel he will be a future late round diamond I hope we pull the trigger on
3.Brandon Facyson- talented corner who was thrown at quite often and held up pretty well. I don't really see him being a star but solid pro and we could grab him late 4th early 5th in my opinion.

 

[Jerellh528]

A guy I would have my eye on late rounds is Tanner Carew, LS out of Oregon. He was the only LS invited to the combine and I have read that he may be the best LS coming out of college in 5 years. This is a position that some view as unimportant, but ask Mason Crosby and Justin Vogel how they feel about that. The Packers seem to always be in a state of flux with their LS, so lock one down.

To me this is like drafting a sure starter in the late rounds and not just a JAG you hope develops in 4 years.

That dude is smart, he knew his path to the nfl and perfected it. He spends his offseasons training at top special teams camps likely perfecting the art of ling snapping. He’s all in on the position, it’s going to pay off for him.

 

[Dantés]

Rather than start a thread, I'm just going to put this here.

I watched Josh Allen (TAMU, Vandy, MSU, and FLA) and have some thoughts.

Pros:

• His first step is a blue chip trait. Combined with his length, he can eat up a lot of field in a hurry.
• He has a lot of experience dropping, is comfortable moving away from the LOS, and is capable of making plays in coverage.
• He's capable of doing his job in the run game-- locking out his arms and setting the edge.
• He's a high motor player, pursuing from the back side and getting involved in the majority of plays.
• He's a secure tackler.

Cons:

• He lacks identity as a pass rusher-- he's not a plus edge bender, he isn't a power rusher, and he doesn't have advanced technique as a hand fighter.
• He typically has no apparent plan if his initial rush fails-- no effective counter move. At times you see him attempt to cut back inside or even execute a spin, but I haven't really seen it work.

Bottom Line: I see enough traits that I understand the first round grades, but he seems pretty scheme dependent to me. I worry that a team that puts him at DE or in a traditional edge rushing role will be disappointed. I don't see the pure pass rush skill or ability to be great in that role. However, in a Mike Pettine defense I can totally envision him being an impact player in the role of a blitz/drop linebacker. Pettine's defense thrives on creating confusion for the QB and scheming free rushers without actually sending extra blitzers (extra, meaning more than 4). Allen's ability to drop comfortably into coverage combined with his explosive first step and length would make him a great fit for that type of role. I would endorse him as a pick for the Packers in round one for the time being, but if Pettine is replaced I'm not so sure.

 

[AmishMafia]

Thanks. I enjoy your posts and insights. I think you should start a new thread though. Easier to find info.

As far as Josh Allen goes, I think he will translate well to the next level. I would fully endorse spending our 1st pick on him.

 

[Mondio]

I liked the hit on Oren Burks and a Tony brown mention too. I had to go back and see how smart this guy really was Smarter than me, but don’t get cocky kid, I don’t set a very high bar

 

[Poppa San]

Rather than start a thread, I'm just going to put this here.

AM said it:

I think you should start a new thread though. Easier to find info.

Try to keep the years separated.

 

[Dantés]

AM said it:
Try to keep the years separated.

Ok... I literally only reused an old thread to avoid merge/reprimand over a thread that was perceived to be redundant.

 

[Poppa San]

Ok... I literally only reused an old thread to avoid merge/reprimand over a thread that was perceived to be redundant.

Title it with the year? It"s not like we are discussing the same players.
Here, I'll make it easier for you.