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State of the Line Offensive Line Coach/Scheme/Players

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by 12theTruth, Nov 25, 2012.

  1. TJV

    TJV Lifelong Packers Fanatic

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    I agree McCarthy was foolish for not protecting Rodgers more when it was obvious the OL was struggling mightily. He’s done it in the past too – even when it was just one player on the OL struggling. I get the idea of adhering to the “next man up” principle – that the Packers don’t change their game plan because of injury. That’s probably supposed to instill confidence in the replacement player. But the principle of protecting your franchise QB is more important to me.

    BTW, who is making the decision to stick with the status quo – Lang at RT - on the OL? McCarhty? Campen? That’s why IMO those advocating that the replacement of Campen will fix the problems on the OL don’t have enough information to make that call. I’d like to see Barclay replace Lang at RT so only one spot would be affected by Bulaga’s absence. If the rest of the OL is solid McCarthy would only have to help out the RT. (But the rest of the OL hasn’t been solid.) But I don’t have enough information to predict how well Barclay would do at that spot. Those advocating for Datko to start have no information to support their opinion. Datko resides on the PS along with Joe Gibbs, an OG (why not advocate for his promotion to the active roster?). Meanwhile G/T Barclay and OG Greg Van Roten are on the active roster. If the Packers believed Datko was the best backup at OT, why wouldn’t they have Barclay and Datko on the active roster? The answer IMO is easy: If they believed that, they would. Of course every decision any person or organization makes isn’t correct. My point here is just that the team has much more information about these players than we do. And regarding Datko, we have almost none.
     
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  2. melvin dangerr

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    Very..Thank You
     
  3. melvin dangerr

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    Have we ever had a Dominant O'lineman, since the 60's?
     
  4. Shawnsta3

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    Barclay did pretty well run blocking (against an admittedly not so stellar group) Which is pretty much the best you could say out of any of our linemen all year. Kudos to him.
     
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    Barclay looked solid, and I've got to give it to McGinn, TJV, and others who were calling for him to play. Hopefully, he's the real deal.
     
  6. TJV

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    I appreciate the mention, but I was advocating Barclay start at RT with Lang at LG; the coaching staff clearly didn't agree with that but only played Barclay at RT when they had no other choice. BTW, I really liked the first play call after Barclay entered the game: They ran the ball to his side giving him the opportunity to fire into his opponent rather than "catch" him in pass protection. I also appreciated McCarthy giving him help on passing plays instead of pretending there should be no change in the play calling.
     
  7. adambr2

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    So assuming Lang will be back next week, are we all in general agreement that moving Lang back to guard and putting Barclay in at RT gives us the best chance going forward?
     
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  8. 7thFloorRA

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    I am in complete agreement. The next 4 weeks are all teams that can be run on and he seemed just fine with his run blocking. I don't know if MM has it in him to play this kid over EDS. He never benches anyone. I am guessing that Lang won't play because no one has returned from injury quickly this season other than Finley. I can't believe they didn't either x-ray lang or tape him back up.
     
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  9. adambr2

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    I'll be really frustrated if they go back to the status quo, which was failing miserably, and won't cut it against teams like the Giants and 49ers in the playoffs.

    It's almost just simple math. Lang is a far better Guard than EDS, but he is not a good Tackle. So far, at least, Barclay seems to hold his own at Tackle. He's going to have some bumps along the way, but he's also going to gain experience and probably give us the best chance we can to protect Rodgers in the playoffs. Why not give it a shot?
     
  10. Grave

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    Case in point- Campen's been watching Barclay since Summer. It took an emergency for the guy to get into a game. He looked pretty good.

    I wonder how many guys remember Campen wanted to replace Wells? The Colledge experiment? The Barbre experiment? Hopefully now we can ignore Campen's incompetence, move Lang to LG and play Barclay as we go to 12-4. And all you Campen jocks can devote yourselves to you rpaper roputes.

    Kudos to the Packer Fans who called enough attention to the problem to finally get something done. Thank you!
     
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  11. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    Yeah, it would be nice to have an OL coach who can actually contribute a valid opinion on draft prospects.
     
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  12. Grave

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    Some of these guys are happy with Rodgers being beaten up every game. Go figure.
     
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  13. Grave

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  14. Grave

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    Ruettgers was pretty good. Timmerman, Wahle, Flanagan were good. In the fat guy era, athleticism in the O-line is just about gone.
     
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    I'm not convinced that's the way to go, but I wouldn't complain if that's the way it shakes out. If nothing else, they'll have to give Barkley regular help, which limits the number of 4 and 5 wide spread jail breaks which I'm beginning to find tiresome for their ineffectiveness under the pass rush duress. Time to adjust to current realities.
     
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    These guys may be fat, but they're plenty athletic...the good ones anyway.
     
  17. Packerfan1977

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    My opinion is that it's not as much Campen as it is the scheme. If you put a hat in an area the D schemes to not be in certain areas, and breaks through where there isn't a hat, or chases the play down from behind. If you ran a scheme where you put a hat on a hat you'd get things block better in my opinion
     
  18. Grave

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    I was very pleased this morning to read in jsonline that the Packers now agree (finally) that Rodgers must be kept upright by bailing out an incompetent O-line. My sincerest thanks to all you Packer fans who have raised bigtime hell over the punishment our QB has taken and demanded that he be protected. YOU have saved the season! Because of YOU, the sportswriters finally joined the clamor. Because of YOU, Rodgers might well heal up and play lights out again. Should he be so bruised and battered he will not fully heal up; he's still better bruised and battered than most QBs and can get us to 12-4. You guys are the greatest!

    Thank YOU! Thank YOU! Thank YOU!
     
  19. Grave

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    Example: Looking at the last great Packer O-line, Fuzzy Thurston went to Valparaiso on a BB scholarship, Jerry Kramer was a QB, Jim Ringo and Kenny Bowman probably could have played hockey. I don't see any of that going on with the fat guys.
     
  20. Grave

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    Yes. Common sense would lead us to think the line would get better every year. Bu tour lines under Campen have never developed into better. Every year we are near last in the NFL. I have nothing against Campen other than that he has been given the extra mile by the Packers and he has failed. When players fail, they are replaced. Why shouldn't Campen be replaced? He doesn't have to be fired. He just needs to be reassigned.
     
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    Yes, the NFL is about parity. That makes good coaching even more important.
     
  22. 13 Times Champs

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    I agree with the posters on moving Lang back to guard. We have weakened two positions by moving Lang to Tackle. Go with Barclay who is a road grader on running plays. That's what he did a WVA. Give the kid some help on pass protection where he isn't as good.

    As far as Campen I think he needs to go. Then get a ol coach that wants to knock someone on their *** and scrap the zone blocking scheme. I don't know whether Campen can't coach it or it's the scheme but a change is necessary in both directions. We've been screaming about the poor play of the Ol for some time now and I don't see it getting better with him.
     
  23. TJV

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    Does this board have a "Most Naïve Post of the Year" award? If so, I'd like to nominate this post - funny stuff! :roflmao:
     
  24. 7thFloorRA

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    Does anyone have a tally on how many penalties EDS has had the last 2 weeks. I think he has at least had 2 holding and 1 false start.
     
  25. Vladimirr

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    McCarthy via twitter today:
    "Don't have a feel for TJ Lang's return. Not progressing the way he'd like"
     

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