Packers Vikings Game Thread

[adambr2]

Tell that to Javon Walker. He played in 15 games as a Rookie.

23/50 319 (13.9) 1 TD

Or HOF Sterling Sharpe

51 catches 791 yards 1 TD. That’s one of the best WR’s to suit up in Green Bay and a Top #7 draft pick.

#17
38 catches 448 yards 3 TD’s
One of the best to play the game in Green and Gold.

None of these guys exploded imo.

I’d be pretty disappointed if Golden has the same career arc as Javon Walker.

 

[OldSchool101]

I’d be pretty disappointed if Golden has the same career arc as Javon Walker.

So would I. We’re in here comparing How many talented players start slow relative to their potential though. I’m not sure what relevance this has. Maybe you’re just trying to be nice and distract the topic because you realized what I’m trying to express is very regular with great players. Especially in Green Bay. I’m ok with that.

I also would’ve like Golden to just turn into Terry McClaurin. I wouldn’t want Reed or Watson or Doubs not on that field. Maybe a happy medium was Golden scraping a few more 3-4 targets from each WR. That gets him in that 500-600 yard area which I’d agree is more expected.

 

[milani]

I’d be pretty disappointed if Golden has the same career arc as Javon Walker.

Suffered that horrible injury in 2005 in Detroit. But Walker came to us without a slew of capable receivers at the time like Bill Schroeder. Golden is just one target of Love. And the Packer team that Walker played on was primarily a running team with Ahman Green, Najeh Davenport, William Henderson, and Tony Fisher despite having a HOF QB.

 

[OldSchool101]

Suffered that horrible injury in 2005 in Detroit. But Walker came to us without a slew of capable receivers at the time like Bill Schroeder. Golden is just one target of Love. And the Packer team that Walker played on was primarily a running team with Ahman Green, Najeh Davenport, William Henderson, and Tony Fisher despite having a HOF QB.

I once was at a 7-eleven in Virginia and a guy tapped me on the back and said “you actually like those guys” pointing to my Packer shirt. Now he was a Monster of a Man and probably could’ve ripped me in two. Although intimidated I told him since the 70’s yes. He pulled out his Drivers License. It was Robert Henderson, Williams Brother and if I recall this was just after the SB. He just smiled and sorta patted me on the back and bought my drink.

 

[milani]

I once was at a 7-eleven in Virginia and a guy tapped me on the back and said “you actually like those guys” pointing to my Packer shirt. Now he was a Monster of a Man and probably could’ve ripped me in two. Although intimidated I told him since the 70’s yes. He pulled out his Drivers License. It was Robert Henderson, Williams Brother and if I recall this was just after the SB. He just smiled and sorta patted me on the back and bought my drink.

Nice story! We could have used a William Henderson the last few years. All those 4th and 1 plays getting stuffed. What a blocker!

 

[Sanguine camper]

Any impact at all from Golden would be better than nothing. What did he have on the season 10 catches for maybe 100 yds??? Greg Jennings as a third Rd pick produced more as a rookie, same with Freeman. I get there's a lot of wre, but you don't spend a first Rd pick on a guy for him to have no impact.

While Golden did have a disappointing rookie season, I'd wait until after year 2 or even year 3 to pull the plug on the guy. Jordy Nelson had a ho hum rookie season and Driver was sitting on the bench as a rookie. They turned out pretty well!

With Doubs likely moving on in the off-season, Golden will probably get quite a few more targets next year as an outside WR. Golden did look good when he did have the ball in his hands so I would wait and see before labeling him as a bust.

 

[adambr2]

I am definitely not calling Golden a bust. I like him.

Philosophically, I wish that we would trust and lean on our rookies a little more.

There’s plenty of WRs who look really special as rookies when given the opportunity. We could use it in the offense.

I don’t buy the “we are so deep at WR, who is he going to play over” argument when I see Bo Melton getting snaps over Golden.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don’t buy the “we are so deep at WR, who is he going to play over” argument when I see Bo Melton getting snaps over Golden.

It’s possible you don’t have to. I looked into that because you saw live game thread I was complaining about that also. Yet later I looked and I felt a little embarrassed.

Golden had 76 snaps over the last 2 weeks to Melton’s 30 snaps on Offense only. Bo played in 2 other contests with meaningful snaps (26,11). In both contests Mathew Golden was not active so take that out of the equation for argument (If memory serves me Golden had a minor injury in Nov that held him back 11/10 and 11/27). So it would be an unfounded argument to say he replaced Matthew due to performance issues.

Now of the 30 snaps Melton got when Golden was on the active 47? 13 came in a game where we featured almost exclusively depth players at Minnesota. I’m pretty sure both players had snaps at MN that overlapped with both on the field.

That leaves 1 game (Ravens) with Bo getting 17 snaps and Golden had 25 snaps (53% of the total snaps). Yet let’s look closer. here because this was the game I similarly complained in the live thread that Bo was out there. GB ran a season low 44 plays total! We literally had the ball for 19:00 to Baltimore 41:00. I don’t pretend to know for certain, but I’m guessing naturally several plays both were on the field together. So we are talking about ~15 snaps or less snaps this season where Bo was featured over Golden. Even on that tiny sample we have no idea the reason. Could’ve been Golden got nicked up I don’t recall, but it’s still a frivolous number to complain about.

So I was wrong. I made a comment that was largely unfounded last week. This week, I was frustrated after hearing our OC say Golden role would be somehow minimal in Postseason. The more I thought about that the more I still find that statement to reporters odd though, don’t you??
Why would our Sten give away battle plans to Chicago? Or Philly?

I rewatched that interview. Sten has a brilliant poker face but he changed subjects to quickly for me to buy the smoke n mirrors. Sten appears to lie almost as good as me but I can hold a lie longer! Love that guy

 

[milani]

While Golden did have a disappointing rookie season, I'd wait until after year 2 or even year 3 to pull the plug on the guy. Jordy Nelson had a ho hum rookie season and Driver was sitting on the bench as a rookie. They turned out pretty well!

With Doubs likely moving on in the off-season, Golden will probably get quite a few more targets next year as an outside WR. Golden did look good when he did have the ball in his hands so I would wait and see before labeling him as a bust.

Right. Golden joined an armada of very similar type receivers. What the Packers sought in Golden is hard to determine. He is more of a Randall Cobb, not a Jordy Nelson, a Jennings, or a Watson. He is a speedster. He is not big enough to leap tall buildings or strong enough to wrestle for the ball like a TE. His strength is to get him in space so he can get behind defenses or make RACs. He also needs to bulk up a little. If he gets popped I guarantee that he will be on the weekly injury report about 7-10 times a season.

 

[milani]

It’s possible you don’t have to. I looked into that because you saw live game thread I was complaining about that also. Yet later I looked and I felt a little embarrassed.

Golden had 76 snaps over the last 2 weeks to Melton’s 30 snaps on Offense only. Bo played in 2 other contests with meaningful snaps (26,11). In both contests Mathew Golden was not active so take that out of the equation for argument (If memory serves me Golden had a minor injury in Nov that held him back 11/10 and 11/27). So it would be an unfounded argument to say he replaced Matthew due to performance issues.

Now of the 30 snaps Melton got when Golden was on the active 47? 13 came in a game where we featured almost exclusively depth players at Minnesota. I’m pretty sure both players had snaps at MN that overlapped with both on the field.

That leaves 1 game (Ravens) with Bo getting 17 snaps and Golden had 25 snaps (53% of the total snaps). Yet let’s look closer. here because this was the game I similarly complained in the live thread that Bo was out there. GB ran a season low 44 plays total! We literally had the ball for 19:00 to Baltimore 41:00. I don’t pretend to know for certain, but I’m guessing naturally several plays both were on the field together. So we are talking about ~15 snaps or less snaps this season where Bo was featured over Golden. Even on that tiny sample we have no idea the reason. Could’ve been Golden got nicked up I don’t recall, but it’s still a frivolous number to complain about.

So I was wrong. I made a comment that was largely unfounded last week. This week, I was frustrated after hearing our OC say Golden role would be somehow minimal in Postseason. The more I thought about that the more I still find that statement to reporters odd though, don’t you??
Why would our Sten give away battle plans to Chicago? Or Philly?

With the injuries and illnesses MLF had to use what he could scrape up and squeeze out. It was not so much a question of healthy scratching, picking, or choosing. MLF has had to find a way just to field a team. 15 roster moves in one day in WK 18 tells you all you need to know. This reminds me of the Ravens back in WK 4. Harbaugh brought his team all the way back when they got healthy and they should have won that division.

 

[OldSchool101]

With the injuries and illnesses MLF had to use what he could scrape up and squeeze out. It was not so much a question of healthy scratching, picking, or choosing. MLF has had to find a way just to field a team. 15 roster moves in one day in WK 18 tells you all you need to know. This reminds me of the Ravens back in WK 4. Harbaugh brought his team all the way back when they got healthy and they should have won that division.

Amen. As I rewatched a portion of that scrimmage (I like to single my favorite players out and rewatch their plays a few times) I counted at one point 10 players on defense that were not starters. Evan Williams was the lone starter. It literally wasn’t even our Defense we fielded our depth .+ practice squad inserts.

 

[gopkrs]

I am definitely not calling Golden a bust. I like him.

Philosophically, I wish that we would trust and lean on our rookies a little more.

There’s plenty of WRs who look really special as rookies when given the opportunity. We could use it in the offense.

I don’t buy the “we are so deep at WR, who is he going to play over” argument when I see Bo Melton getting snaps over Golden.

Absolutely

 

[OldSchool101]

I was most impressed with

Stackhouse
He seemed to hustle and the DL looked better with him out there.

Oliver
I’m partial but he didn’t disappoint. Even on plays he seemingly didn’t factor, he was seen looking like mini LVN pushing his 300lb+ guy around. He looks strong and fast, just not refined yet getting off a couple blocks..but that will come

Cox Jr.
the guy picked up EXACTLY where he left off late last year. Between the Sack, FF, 1 TFL, 3 QB hurries he just regularly Won his 1 on 1. I’m super stoked because I believe he’s firmly surpassed Enagbare on depth. He’s not Gary in totality (run stop) but he inches from Gary in Pass Rush imo.

Sorrell
He looked like he was fighting for a job. Even on 1 tackle it wasn’t TFL but his hustle made a Stop for 0.5 yard gain

Olodapo
Has a nice aggressive (Derwin James) type aggression. Not as talented but just as feisty and he’s not afraid to play downhill one bit. 6’2” 216lb Safety who plays like a LB. (Meant as compliment)

Diggs
The guy is just around plays. Even when he wasn’t directly involved he was seen approaching and waiting nearby in support as a safety valve to stop the play if needed.

 

[OldSchool101]

Right. Golden joined an armada of very similar type receivers. What the Packers sought in Golden is hard to determine. He is more of a Randall Cobb, not a Jordy Nelson, a Jennings, or a Watson. He is a speedster. He is not big enough to leap tall buildings or strong enough to wrestle for the ball like a TE. His strength is to get him in space so he can get behind defenses or make RACs. He also needs to bulk up a little. If he gets popped I guarantee that he will be on the weekly injury report about 7-10 times a season.

I agree he needs to put a little weight on. I will say though that the few times he’s taken a hit? He’s not only caught the ball he just kinda jumps right back on his feet like nothing happened. It’s my opinion but some guys just can take a hit better for whatever reason. Like I said though I don’t disagree at all as he’s better suited adding 5-10lb.

 

[milani]

Amen. As I rewatched a portion of that scrimmage (I like to single my favorite players out and rewatch their plays a few times) I counted at one point 10 players on defense that were not starters. Evan Williams was the lone starter. It literally wasn’t even our Defense we fielded our depth .+ practice squad inserts.

And if Zayne Williams was healthy I doubt Evan would be out there.