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Packers must start at step one

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Cliff, Jan 28, 2007.

  1. cheesey

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    Just because UP TO NOW it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it CAN'T! Maybe the teams that have been in that situation previously didn't HAVE a Ted Thompson to pull them out of a tailspin. Maybe thats why those teams were where they were in the first place.
    Lucky for us Cliff wasn't born at an earlier time.........Cliff, talking to Wilber and Orville Wright........
    Cliff:" You're gonna WHAT!?!? Get into a contraption with wings, and FLY like a BIRD!?!? LOLOLOL!!! It CAN'T be DONE i'm telling you!!! Why??? Well.......it hasn't been done YET, has it? COME ON Wilber! Name me ONE TIME that it's been done! Can't even come up with ONE time, can ya!!!Orville......how about you! Bet you can't come up with ONE time, even in the last 40 years! You guys are crazy!" :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
     
  2. bozz_2006

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    sorry to interupt the pissing match, ladies, but i don't see how it could be unclear to anybody that our team made great strides this year. So no GM has turned a mediocre start into a great team, ok. Has Thompson made a lot of improvements with the mess of a team that he started here with? yes. and is anybody surprised that our team being mediocre and underachieving caused the hiring of a new GM? it seems to me that a great team doesn't make a whole lot of changes, if they can help it. Thompson inherited a ****** team, and that team is getting better. where's the problem?
     
  3. Cliff

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    Got to give you credit cheesey. You got a simple mind. :thumbsup:
     
  4. cheesey

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    Awww.....Bozz! You went and RUINED it!!! How DARE you come in here and mess things up with such a great honest true statement!!! :thumbsup:
     
  5. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    During Ron Wolfs first 32 games as Packers GM, the Packers went 16 - 16.


    What moves could have been made by Ted to make us a better team the last two years with a better record?
     
  6. cheesey

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    Why....THANK YOU! Yes, i DO! Thats what makes it so EASY to reply in threads like this!
    I just noticed i passed the 4000 post total, and now am "GM!"
    Does that mean you are gonna go after ME now too???LOLOLOL!!! :thumbsup:
     
  7. porky88

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    Bill Walsh was 8-24 in his 1st two seasons as the 49ers Head Coach. I can't remember if their was a GM or not but it's still a pretty telling statistic.

    Bill Walsh

    None the less the 49ers were not that good until he got there.

    Chuck Noll was 6-21. Steelers weren’t that “special” before he got there.

    Chuck Noll

    Jimmy Johnson was 8-23 though Jerry Jones was in control of the team. 3-13 the year before with Tom Landry as well. Dallas was clearly on decline.

    Jimmy Johnson

    Speaking of Tom Landry..

    Tom Landry

    He didn’t win a game his 1st year in Dallas.

    3 of them are Dynasty's by the way.
     
  8. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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  9. WinnipegPackFan

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  10. Buckeyepackfan

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    Here are the records of the Teams in the NFC with winning records against teams with overall winning records in 2006.

    Chicago....2-1
    N.O..........2-1
    Philly........2-2
    Dallas.......1-3
    Seattle.....1-3

    The Packers went 1-5 against teams with winning records in 2006, which means yes they need to start beating teams with winning records, but it also means that The Packers played a tougher schedule than any of the teams that had a winning record.

    The Pack had a good chance to beat N.O and Seattle, if either or both would have happened The Packers would have had just as many or more wins over teams with winning records than anyone else in the NFC.

    The point here is that beating a team with an overall winning record is not an accurate stat, a lot come down to when you play a particular team in the year.

    Good examples are Minnesota and Carolina, with 4 weeks left in the season, both teams were being touted by the "so-called experts" as the teams most likely to win out and get to the play-offs, well we all know what happened.

    As I look at it, The Packers ended up being the 7th best team in The NFC, they were the last team eliminated for the play-offs,compared to 2005 a vast improvement.

    In fact and reality, most of the improvement came in the last 4 games of the season where a young team finally realized and learned how to win close games, not having to rely on Brett to carry them on his back.

    Whether anyone likes it or not, TT is putting together a team HIS WAY. If you ever read any of my posts from early last year you know that I did not agree with The firing of MS, or a lot of the early moves TT made, but unlike some of you I don't dwell on the past.

    TT was given a job to do, and is doing it his way, whether or not these moves take us to another Superbowl while Brett is still around, only time will tell, but to say The Packers have shown no improvement in 2006 is a bogus statement.

    I see this as being the critical year in TT's tenure, he has put together a good young team with enough veteran leaders left to take this team into the play-offs in 2007, with a couple of good FA pickups and another solid draft, I can see this happening.

    BRETT FAVRE WILL BE BACK IN 2007!!!!!
     
  11. cheesey

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    Good post Buckeye!!! :thumbsup:
     
  12. Zero2Cool

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    I didn't realize that the Bears played less teams with winning records than the Packers, thats interesting, thanks!



    And yes, Brett is playing in 2007 (I'm sticking to my guns on this!!)
     
  13. Packnic

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    Cliff do you not watch television.

    Sportscenter is filled every year with stories of teams who were mediocre-to-terrible the season before, but are now in championship races. Whats the point of comin in here, and spouting off crap you cant prove, and that doesnt even make logical sense. just to be pissy? i could see your point if we didnt improve last year but we did, and against a tough schedule... including 3 of the 4 teams that played in conference championships this year.

    its just rubbish.
     
  14. Cliff

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    The Packers went 9-7 for the 1st two seasons under Ron Wolf.

    18-14...
     
  15. Cliff

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    The Packers were 1-6 vs playoff teams in 2006.
     
  16. Zero2Cool

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    I said first 32 games. Those were not the first 32 games that Ron Wolf was GM of the Packers.
     
  17. digsthepack

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    Um....New Orleans has ALWAYS had talent...I mean, they have been picking very high with regularity for years....but they lacked a consistent presence at QB and a coach with some stones. Now they have both.

    Really poor analogy there as the Pack has, until only very recently, been picking quite late....and wasting many of those picks along the way. Do we REALLY need the players listed whom MS pissed away picks on, or simply made poor choices? It is a long one! That anyone would dispute that MS left the cupboards bare, and much of his team's core players were aging and succumbing to injuries, is beyond me.

    I like what TT has done so far...but he has not done enought to be fully judged. Oh...by the way....it was Favre's comments that drove Walker beyond the point of no return...and I stand behind what he said as Walker was/is a punk *** turd. A talented one yes, but the stink is still there.

    Very revisionist history.
     
  18. P@ck66

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    There were several things that could have been done in '05 to make the Packers a better team (that have been gone over here ad nauseum), Zero...

    Personally, I think TT messed with the O-line in '05 so Sherman would tank, and he would have a good reason to get rid of him....things could have been done in '05 to make the team better that weren't...

    I think people are getting a little ahead of themselves with the team on the rise stuff...

    I say wait til' the end of this year to see whether this team can beat any teams with winning records, or can win at all if Favre retires....
     
  19. bozz_2006

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    i'm having a hard time fleshing out your point 66. Did Evil Professor Ted sabotage the team in 05' or not?
     
  20. longtimefan

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    Ron joined the Pack in Green Bay Nov. 27, 1991 he didnt start in 92..

    1991 after Ron
    1-3


    1992
    9-7 20 total games 10-10

    1993 12 more games
    6-6

    for a total of 16-16 as Zero stated..



    But Zero come on now...LOL

    Ron took over a team with 4 games left in 91, how could he REALLY do anything in those 4 games to make a noticeable impact?
     
  21. Zero2Cool

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    hah ... hey i thought it was clever :p

    I kind feel the same way about Ted trying to build a team for Sherman to coach. I commend him for trying, but I jus don't see how you can come in, take a roll from a guy an expect it to work as his boss. I think Ted screwed up by not firing Sherman right away. But with that said, I think Harlan wanted Sherman to have a chance under Ted an urged Ted to see how it went for a year. Seems off the wall an stupid, I know, but there were somet hings Harlan said that put that theory in to my noggin.
     
  22. warhawk

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    Pack, you want to put the "0" line situation on TT when it was Sherman that left the house dirty. He had way more time to do something about the "0" line situation BEFORE Thompson ever got there and what did Sherman do? Virtually nothing.
    He didn't get the money right or address the contracts ahead of time or draft some guys to at least step in. NOTHING.

    "Here Ted, we got two great offensive guards whose contracts have to be worked out and two million bucks. I had a plan for this but for some reason forgot what it was."

    Gee thanks. That and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee.

    I don't feel sorry for Sherman here. He made his own bed. If he had a clue how to handle the cap it would not have come down that way.
     
  23. Zero2Cool

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    What the hell are you talking about? I would never say a GM would tank a position to fire a coach without making a joke. People are kidding themselves thinking the team is improving? :nono: I've been saying the Packers are going in the right direction, 4 - 12 to 8 - 8 is IMPROVEMENT!



    What moves could have been made by Ted to make us a better team the last two years with a better record?
     
  24. warhawk

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  25. Zero2Cool

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    Helluva post warhawk.
     

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