NFC North Predictions

Heyjoe4

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We did draft Punter Ray Stachowicz in the 3rd Rd, back in the early 80's
"Shankowicz" was picked in the third round?!?! Wow I did not know that. I just remember that he was one of the many failed punters the Packers went through. Bucky Scribner ("Squibner") was another name that comes to mind.

A great punter can have a huge outcome on a game, sometimes flipping field position with a big leg, other times pinning an opponent inside the 10 with precision.

I'm pretty happy with Whelan. He's got a big leg and seems he can kick with precision when needed. Was he drafted or was he an UDFA?
 

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no one is asking you to I’ll do it for us :laugh:

No but seriously. I forgot about Conway and looked him up.
First of all I value a good Placekicker over a good Punter if given the choice. So we can’t fault Ron Wolf. While Conway struggled in Preseason, he had actually succumbed to Quad injury before the regular season started. Longwell was brought in ti compete and immediately was a dominant Kicker at # 3 in points in 1997.
So that kinda shows more to my point that we have done a better job of acquiring talent (and developing) than the Bears and we’ve done it with less draft capital. In a redo I’d gladly hand a #90 selection for Longwell. For a GM the End justified the means. I don’t care how you get there just get there.

Reminds me of what the Packers do time and time again. We find players on the cheaper end of resources who come in and perform admirably. Meanwhile Chicago often gives away the farm to acquire players and we’re supposed to act impressed. I’m just being honest I’m not impressed I’m sorry if that’s hurtful to a Chicago fan I’m just being genuine. Sm opposing NFC North fan might not like my opinion but I’m not pretending.. you’ll know where I stand.

I just think the Bears have been speculative at best across the last 30 years of draft. Chicago has had MUCH better draft Capital and Cap space to work with due to constant changes at QB and cheap contract $$. It’s hard for me to listen to a Bears fan tell me how great a player or Coach is because too often they don’t work out. The media seems to do this also it’s like a fascination with trying to diminish GB and exhorting Chicago.ok I feel sorry for the Bears but do I have to pretend to be excited for Chicago? I’m not jumping aboard the Chicago train just yet. It’s the same song and dance every year and nobody apologizes when they are completely wrong. IMO Bears fans just need to own it and remain humble, then it will come. The constant haughty expression they assume is just a little too much.

Even Detroit fans at least mostly kept quiet when they were awful. We don’t need to be told when a team is good I think we’re all smart enough to see it.
Conway's failure in his first preseason game certainly paved the way for Longwell. Look at it that way. Another name to remember in Packer ST lore is one B.J. Sander.
 

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Conway's failure in his first preseason game certainly paved the way for Longwell. Look at it that way. Another name to remember in Packer ST lore is one B.J. Sander.
I remember that guy - They spent a third round pick on him.

After Green Bay released him (in favor of Jon Ryan), Sander spent a season with the Hamburg Sea Devils.

Quite a legacy. :laugh:
 

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Jon Ryan was a head-scratcher. I never heard what he did to make the head honchos mad, but it wasn't performance. He went to Seattle and stuck it to us for years.
 

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Hey, I get it man hopefully springs eternal, and yada yada yada and trust me. I've been been let down so many times by the Bears that this year could be no different but this year it really seems different and consistency can come now that we have a competent head coach I think like come on Eberflus couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. It was ridiculous.
 

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Jon Ryan was a head-scratcher. I never heard what he did to make the head honchos mad, but it wasn't performance. He went to Seattle and stuck it to us for years.
Packers released Ryan 9/01/08, for Derrick Frost. Seahawks scooped Ryan up & he punted for them for 10 or 11 years.
 

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Hey, I get it man hopefully springs eternal, and yada yada yada and trust me. I've been been let down so many times by the Bears that this year could be no different but this year it really seems different and consistency can come now that we have a competent head coach I think like come on Eberflus couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. It was ridiculous.
Hey man, you do you. I can respect the optimism. Personally I'm inclined to be a bit more pessimistic in these things, or at least a bit more....tempered expectations, but nothing wrong with being hopeful. Not much fun or point in being a fan IMO if you're only going to project doom and gloom all the time, lol.

In general I think Johnson is a big exciting hire. He was the "big fish" this cycle, so you gotta get him, and props for getting it done. My only trepidation there is that there are a LOT of instances of coaches doing great as coordinators and struggling in a head coach capacity. I mean, lest we forget...nobody was saying "Eberflus couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag" before he took the job. Look just in recent history...Nagy was seen as a really promising up-and-coming coordinator with head coach potential. Andy Reid at the time said "he's the best head coach candidate I've ever had". Eberflus himself was a great DC who had been eyeballed as a head coach candidate for a while before Chicago hired him. Maybe neither had Ben Johnson-level hype, but they were both guys who folks thought had a lot of promise and potential as head coaches too. They weren't incompetent or unqualified or out of their depth until things really got going. So like I said, I like Johnson, and would hope and think that things would be different, but there is also reason to at least be a little wary...
 

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Packers released Ryan 9/01/08, for Derrick Frost. Seahawks scooped Ryan up & he punted for them for 10 or 11 years.
That's what I remember. What I never heard the real truth on is why we released him right at the start of the season. Frost was terrible. There was another reason. He must have slept with somebody's wife.
 

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Hey man, you do you. I can respect the optimism. Personally I'm inclined to be a bit more pessimistic in these things, or at least a bit more....tempered expectations, but nothing wrong with being hopeful. Not much fun or point in being a fan IMO if you're only going to project doom and gloom all the time, lol.

In general I think Johnson is a big exciting hire. He was the "big fish" this cycle, so you gotta get him, and props for getting it done. My only trepidation there is that there are a LOT of instances of coaches doing great as coordinators and struggling in a head coach capacity. I mean, lest we forget...nobody was saying "Eberflus couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag" before he took the job. Look just in recent history...Nagy was seen as a really promising up-and-coming coordinator with head coach potential. Andy Reid at the time said "he's the best head coach candidate I've ever had". Eberflus himself was a great DC who had been eyeballed as a head coach candidate for a while before Chicago hired him. Maybe neither had Ben Johnson-level hype, but they were both guys who folks thought had a lot of promise and potential as head coaches too. They weren't incompetent or unqualified or out of their depth until things really got going. So like I said, I like Johnson, and would hope and think that things would be different, but there is also reason to at least be a little wary...
Yeah man, everything you said is true There have been times, like after we drafted Trubisky, we knew the next year or two we were going to be awful....
And to no one's surprise we were....
I was always nervous about Matt Nagy because he wasn't a play caller......
His shortcomings became obvious to everyone....if I had to listen to him say"what are the why's???? We gotta figure out the why's"......I might have had to pay coach a "visit"!!!
"Hey coach....I know the why's.....it's because you got your head up your rear!!!!!"

I do agree that lots of coordinators go on to flame out in the Big Chair.....
But..... with a lot of those coordinators, I think everyone can, for the most part, agreed that their HC mentors were leaps and bounds ahead of their pupils like BB and like Andy Reid.
All of Bill Belichick's assistants pretty much stank...... and really Bill Belichick was not that great of a head coach until Tom Brady came into the picture.... he failed miserably in Cleveland.... but then again who doesn't fail in Cleveland, right?!?!??

I just think everyone who looks at Detroit team the last three or four years has to ask themselves.."was it Ben Johnson or was it the maniacal craziness of the head coach Dan Campbell?!??!?!?!?!?!
I would say more people than not think that Ben Johnson was the main factor for not only Jared Goff's resurgence, but Detroit success as a whole..,.
And if you could take Detroit not only out of the basement of the NFC North, but the basement of the NFL itself...... I think we're cooking with gasoline now boys!!!!
And my major point is look at what Caleb was able to do with no help from a coordinator or a head coach!!!!!
Yes, we had the hiccup in Washington thanks to Tyrique Stevenson..... the blocked FG y'all had to win the game in CHI.... and I know everyone wants to say well we weren't really trying against y'all the last game of the season..... but it sure looked like you were trying during the first game in Chicago and we were in the exact same position as we were in week 18 to win!!!!!
But this is all conjecture that's why they play the games and I can't wait to get this season started!!!!
And I can't wait to do the league again because that was a lot of fun last year kept me busy because I didn't have any fantasy football teams!!!!!!
 
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.. Frost was terrible. There was another reason. He must have slept with somebody's wife.
Ryan had touchback percentages of 14.3% & 18.3%, whereas Frost's were 8.6% & 9.3% those same years. GB wanted better accuracy, Ryan had a bigger leg, percieved lack of accuracy. Pretty sure GB regretted that decision quickly. :(
 

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Ryan had touchback percentages of 14.3% & 18.3%, whereas Frost's were 8.6% & 9.3% those same years. GB wanted better accuracy, Ryan had a bigger leg, percieved lack of accuracy. Pretty sure GB regretted that decision quickly. :(
Is frost your punter or your field goal kicker because I'll be honest whoever you guys got later in the year seems to be a very decent kicker..... which sucks hahahaha
 

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Is frost your punter or your field goal kicker because I'll be honest whoever you guys got later in the year seems to be a very decent kicker..... which sucks hahahaha
Frost was from 10-12 years ago. As for right now, McManus is the Kicker we signed after week 6, he missed 2 kicks, both FG's, the rest of the season through the playoff game.... Not to mention, our Punter, Whelan, was a stud too, plus he is the holder.
 

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There are fewer and fewer threads I care to look at. Is it possible to stick to the topic a little. And if we run out of things to say; start a new topic. Like "mediocre punters from awhile back" or something.
 

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Hey, I get it man hopefully springs eternal, and yada yada yada and trust me. I've been been let down so many times by the Bears that this year could be no different but this year it really seems different and consistency can come now that we have a competent head coach I think like come on Eberflus couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. It was ridiculous.
A fan has to stick with his or her team and hope even when things are dreary. I go through that with teams I support in other sports.
 
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