1. Welcome to Green Bay Packers NFL Football Forum & Community!
    Packer Forum is one of the largest online communities for the Green Bay Packers.

    You are currently viewing our community forums as a guest user.

    Sign Up or

    Having an account grants you additional privileges, such as creating and participating in discussions. Furthermore, we hide most of the ads once you register as a member!
  2. Big Announcement Coming for 2015 Football Season!!

    Be on the look out for a big Packer Forum announcement when the schedule is released. Full details coming soon...

Must read..TD's vs. Int's.

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by net, May 18, 2006.

  1. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1

    KUMBAYA, my Lord, KUMBAYA


    Everybody hold hands now!

    bozz...you just took a shot at me. I never dissed you to my knowledge. People are going to disagree. Some love Favre. Some hate him. Some love TT. Some hate him. That is what 90% of the arguments are about. Deal with it!

    See....now you're included with those 4 villians you mentioned above!
     
  2. bozz_2006

    bozz_2006 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    Messages:
    4,568
    Ratings:
    +650
    no you didn't diss me, and i wasn't dissing you. i'm just getting sick of all arguments that i have to sift through in order to follow a thread. i don't have a problem with anyone on this site, and that's an honest statement. even though i included four names, i am not saying i am against their stances on Ted, Brett, Bart, AJ, whatever. i can see where everyone is coming from. no you have never dissed me. and i don't feel like a hypocrite for calling some guys out, i feel like a hypocrite because i finally got irritated enough to start my own tyrade. i am here to discuss football, not be be in a soap opera.
     
  3. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1
    I agree bozz it does get old. But when you start a thread (not you...net) that you intend to use to rip Favre with, you are going to get guys shooting back at you. At the same time, if you start a thread ripping TT others will come at you hard. You know my stand....Favre is untouchable and I will always defend him. TT is doing fine so far, but he has yet to reach the untouchable status that Favre has. People don't like it, but I'm consistent.

    Do you agree with my premise that 90% of the arguments are about Favre or TT?
     
  4. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2005
    Messages:
    16,659
    Ratings:
    +2,966
    I think that 90% could be more like 95%
     
  5. bozz_2006

    bozz_2006 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    Messages:
    4,568
    Ratings:
    +650
    yeah i agree. and that's fine. i'm not bothered by arguments. arguments are what message boards are about. what gets me is when someone starts a thread with a provocative theme with the direct intent of roping certain individuals into criticizing the originator of the thread, and then the originator letting loose. i know that happens. when we argue about brett or Ted (which by the way, i agree with your assessment 100%) that's fine. but when one person posts something with the intent of making another forum member look like an *******, that's what pisses me off.
     
  6. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1
    cool
     
  7. wpr

    wpr Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,517
    Ratings:
    +0
    First of all I haven't read the whole article nor everyone's posts yet.

    And I will say that I have on many occassions yelled at the TV when Brett threw a dumb int. But it seems to me that the novella that Rick Cina wrote leaves out 2 important facts.
    1. sometimes the interceptions are the receivers fault and not the qb.
    2. if a team is losing the game, qb is going to press a lot more to try and get back into the game and more ints are a part of it. when the qb finally gets the ball back he has to press even harder which will result in even more ints. so of course the winning % is going to be lower in games with mutiple ints. looking at the winning % based soley on ints is not an accurate measurement. the team was more than likely were going to lose the game anyway and the qb was just tring to get his team back into the game.
    what Rick Cina needs to do (since he has way too much time on his hands) is to then break down games based on other factors as well. if GB has out rushed and basicly out preformed the other team except for the ints it is safe to say that the ints were a factor in the loss. but if Gb was man handled in every phase of the game then it wasn't due to the ints (as much).
     
  8. tromadz

    tromadz Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2005
    Messages:
    1,000
    Ratings:
    +3
    Good job missing the point.


    [​IMG]
     
  9. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1

    AHH yes... midafternoon......school let out!
     
  10. 4packgirl

    4packgirl Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2005
    Messages:
    2,415
    Ratings:
    +0
    the only comment i have to this thread is DUH, FREAKIN, DUH!!!!!!! my 70 year old mom even knows that interceptions aren't a good thing!! :roll:
     
  11. tromadz

    tromadz Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2005
    Messages:
    1,000
    Ratings:
    +3
    HAHAHAHA....cuz Im a kid, right? And thats when kids get out of school!! You're SO funny! No. I actually get to sleep till 2 cuz im a slacker gen-x hippy..or something. Go put your feet in some epsom salt you old man.
     
  12. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1

    Good one :lol:



    Almost as funny as your "sportsblog" :roll:
     
  13. pyledriver80

    pyledriver80 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    May 30, 2005
    Messages:
    2,391
    Ratings:
    +0

    Now that was FUNNY!
     
  14. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    11,903
    Ratings:
    +8
    Would the people of PackerForum.com please get back on topic! ;)
    Yeah, that's right, I quoted the novel.
     
  15. net

    net Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2005
    Messages:
    944
    Ratings:
    +62
    As usual, improper analysis. Since Brett Favre was the QB, it HAD to rate him, since....ka-ching! he was the QB.

    Just as a refresher, it talks about interceptions(and fumbles) as negatives. Many think that scoring TD's is more important, but this author says that isn't the case, from his view.

    Sorry you don't like reading enlightening material.

    Please keep personalities out if it, if it is possible?
     
  16. bozz_2006

    bozz_2006 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    Messages:
    4,568
    Ratings:
    +650
    no doubt, all the interceptions last year hurt the team... duh! what the writer says is that, essentially, protecting the ball is more important that TD passes. forgive me, but Favre does NOT have that mentality, and I sure as hell hope he doesn't change his mindset (not that I'm worried that he will change). he won a Super Bowl and only a record 3 MVP's, so whatever he does seems to work. last year sucked but Favre is not to blame for the suckiness. Everyone is to blame. once again, accountability. Favre is a winner so sit back and let him do what he knows how to do. He is a rare breed who is actually able to do things his way, to hell with convention! Obviously, teams have a propensity to lose with high INT numbers, but Favre played last year like he played any other year... it just didn't quite pan out for various reasons.
     
  17. 4packgirl

    4packgirl Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2005
    Messages:
    2,415
    Ratings:
    +0
    amen, bozz - amen!! what makes him great are some of those insanely crazy passes he throws - the same things that drive US crazy when they're intercepted!! can't have one without the other - that's favre.
     
  18. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1
    Shouldn't be a problem where you are concerned.
     
  19. gopackgo4

    gopackgo4 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    1,080
    Ratings:
    +0
    That bears game was bull and you know it. It was such a block in the back.
     
  20. Philtration

    Philtration Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    2,247
    Ratings:
    +9
    Oh look! Robin chimes in to defend Batman. How cute.
     
  21. 4thand26

    4thand26 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2006
    Messages:
    1,555
    Ratings:
    +0
    Not a block in the back. Favre turned his back to the oncoming 54 train and then went to the fetal position.
     
  22. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2005
    Messages:
    16,659
    Ratings:
    +2,966
    From jsonweb log

    http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/insider ... &year=2003


    Mike Sherman thought Brian Urlacher should have been penalized for pushing Favre in the back on Mike Brown’s 95-yard fumble return and sent tape of the play to the league office, but Favre was running backwards and admitted that he wasn’t attempting to make a tackle. It would seem that just like in basketball, sometimes a no-call is the best call


    ~~~~~



    To Leroy Butler...

    http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2004/09/21/2/

    Leroy, Am I the only person who saw Urlacher's illegal block in the back on Favre during the fumble return? I know it means nothing today, but I'm just curious! Was I seeing things, or did Urlacher really throw an illegal block that could have changed the result of the play? - Kimberli (South Elgin, IL)

    Thank you for mentioning that. I didn't want to sound like a crybaby and bring it up myself.

    He definitely clipped Brett, hitting him right in the #4 on the back of his jersey. There was another case where Robert Ferguson was facemasked late in the game, and the officials missed that call too. Those are two calls that you would think the Packers would get at Lambeau Field.

    The block in the back was blatant, though, and it would have changed the game completely. Chicago would have had the ball at their own 10 with the score 7-3, instead of a TD to make it 14-3, and I don't think they could have moved down the field and scored before halftime.

    ~~~ Homer articles??

    Here is a Chi town link ( sun times )

    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... _n12561473

    KEYY PLAY: The Packers had a first-and-goal at the Bears 2 when Brian Urlacher stripped Ahman Green and Brown recovered at the 5. Sprung by Urlacher's block-in-the-back on Favre and escorted by Bobby Gray, Joe Odom, Michael Haynes and Israel Odonije, Brown returned the ball for a touchdown.
     
  23. DeusNova

    DeusNova Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2005
    Messages:
    127
    Ratings:
    +0
    Very good piece.

    Thanks.
     
  24. Raider Pride

    Raider Pride Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Messages:
    1,868
    Ratings:
    +2
    It amazes me that anyone would look at this enlightning read (Regardless of it is Right or Wrong.) as a novel and not even digest it, becuase it is longer than a simple statement.

    However these same people will read 500 simple posts which takes a great deal longer than Net's forwarded article.

    Is your attention span that of a retarded field mouse?

    I agree with the author with some points and disagree with other points. It is still a a good read, and something this forum needs during a dry off season.

    Go ahead... Read the first two pharagrahs, then jump on Net who is not only NOT the author but has been a member of our family for many years and is a Packer Fan.

    Oh Baby! That makes a great deal of sense. Some of you dismissed it in the third paragraph becuase this scribe (Not Net) used Brett as an example for his example. If you were running numbers (And I know that stats can be altered.) what other QB would you use as an example of INT vs. TD's other than the Gunslinger?

    Lighten up.

    Remember there is nothing wrong with reading... and more importantly... The enemy of learning is knowing.

    Some of you just kill me.

    But that is OK... It is your life. Live it. All the more power to you.

    Thanks NET. It was a good read, even though I do not agree with all of it.

    RP
     
  25. tromadz

    tromadz Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2005
    Messages:
    1,000
    Ratings:
    +3
    I love you, RP.
     

Share This Page