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Mike Neal

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by D3uc3, Jan 17, 2014.

  1. D3uc3

    D3uc3 Cheesehead

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    Mike Neal is a guy I think could flourish in GB given another year or so to adjust, In his first year as a OLB he dropped 30lbs he's also strong enough to cause problems for OL and put up better numbers than expected 49 tackles and 5 1/2 sacks 1 int.
    Remember with Matthews out we were still able to generate a decent pass rush.
    My only concern is his ability to stay healthy but at the right cheap price I think he may be a solid OLB.
     

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  2. FrankRizzo

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    I cannot imagine any other team giving Mike Neal a big offer.

    However, we saw this [​IMG]

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    Yet Walden Got Paid by SOMEONE

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    Walden signed for 4 years / $16 million with the Indianapolis Colts. He made $3.25 million in 2013

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    According to Pro Football Focus, Walden was the NFL's worst 3-4 outside linebacker during 2011 and 2012. He wasn't one of the worst; he was the worst.

    In 2012, Walden's PFF season grade of minus-25.5 as a pass rusher ranked dead-last in the league, and in 2011, his minus-17.6 grade in run defense ranked 28th among 28 players at the position.

    Colts still gave him big money, same money as the Motor City Kitties gave Reggie Bush.

    So if Walden got paid, and so did Brad Jones (also seen trailing Kaepernick above), perhaps Neal will too.
     
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  3. rodell330

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    Nothing like re-signing another oft injured mediocre linebacker. TT should pay the man! after all Brad Jones got paid right?
     
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  4. D3uc3

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    Mike Neal isn't a guy who comes off as wanting a big payday, but I don't think he wants to feel under appreciated either, Neal deserves a reasonable offer from Green Bay.
     
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  5. rodell330

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    So what do you think he's worth? i'm curious.
     
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  6. Packerlifer

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    Neal (and Perry) are square pegs the Packers have been trying to fit into round holes. They are undersized defensive ends they're trying to make into 3-4 outside linebackers; because it worked with Clay Matthews and they haven't been able to come up with a true 3-4 olb since the shift to the defense in 2009.

    They once tried to convert a Pro Bowl 4-3 end Aaron Kampman into a 3-4 olb.

    If they have a future as 3-4 lb's it should be on the inside, where their size and power would be most effective and their liabilities in space wouldn't be as exposed. They could also be used as rush ends in subpackages.

    Of course, they are both injury prone.

    Time is running out on the experiment with both.
     
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  7. D3uc3

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    Mike Neal 3yrs at 2.5 -3 mil a year nothin more his production is evident when Matthews was down he and Mulumba.
     
  8. D3uc3

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    Perry sucks and is way over paid but for Neal you have to realize it was his first year as a starter and was pretty solid, does he have his faults yes what player doesn't Neal should be resigned he was way more effective than Jones who we damn sure over paid and Neal is better as a OLB any day than a DL, you can't expect a miracle when it's a first year convert but 49 tackles and 5 1/2 sacks and 1 int was way more production than we have seen from Perry and Walden.
     
  9. D3uc3

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    To an extent I do agree Perry is in my opinion nothin but depth, Neal on the other hand his presence while not up to Matthews abilities he can only go up his year, but to expect him to jus switch and dominate is just wrong and unfair to him and his hard work he put into switching I'm sure for him it wasn't ideal to become an OLB but it's what was asked of him and he didn't complain he went out and played ball, the only downside to his game is his coverage which was expected given he was a DL.
     
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    If they didnt give kampman time they shouuldnt with neal either. I mean Kampman was one of the best defensive players in football when they made the switch..not just some guy. The problem is drafting dends to be olb. Clay was an olb for goodness sakes.
     
  11. D3uc3

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    I know that but guess what the ones we had kept getting injured so something had to happen, and management made the decision he wanted more than we were willing to pay he was a high profile player, Neal isn't so he will be a lot cheaper!
     
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    IMO it was Kampman who didn't give the position switch time. At the time I was disappointed in Kampman’s attitude regarding the switch to the 3-4 D when Capers arrived. I didn’t think he gave the change his best effort. Andrew Brandt, who spent 10 years working in the Packers front office, wrote this for the National Football Post, “Kampman never took to the new 3-4 defense of Packers coordinator Dom Capers, and his relationship with a team and a defense where he had been a leader on and off the field took a downward turn. Previously an eternally positive force in the locker room, Kampman’s position switch robbed him of enthusiasm as he took an indifferent approach to the position change that did not sit well with the Packer coaches. Simply, after eight years with the Packers, it’s time for Kampman to make a change.” http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Aaron-Kampman-is-a-wanted-man.html

    Until 2009 I had nothing but respect for Kampman, both on and off the field, and if the switch to OLB hadn’t worked out after he gave it 100% effort and he then went to another team, my respect for him would have been intact. But IMO that’s not what happened. This is a different issue than drafting DEs and turning them into 3-4 OLBs as Kampman was already on the team. I think Kampman is a bad example - just a historical footnote worth noting IMO.
     
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  13. NOMOFO

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    Could not agree more. ...and regarding our LB situation... in all fairness to TT and the Packers... being honest about it...hasn't "getting bigger and more physical" been a battle cry from the Packer nation for a few years now?
     
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    I think that niner fan is right. If Erik Walden got big money in free agency it stands to reason Neal would get just as much if not more. Don't pull a brad jones/ morgan Burnett and back up the Brinks Truck to his house. He hasn't proven anything.
     
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    I'm not saying go break the bank with this guy we all know that's way to much to expect and he hasn't proven he deserves big time money, but if we can get him for a decent price he just may have a lot of upside to him but if and only if the contract benefits the team.
     
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    he needs to show more than what he has shown. Just a guy. Next.
     
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    Grass is not always greener on the other side. As the OP opined, this is all about getting a guy back at the right price. Neal - though not great - was far from terrible. And another year (or more) of making the conversion could result in him being more comfortable and therefore more productive. I'd like to bring Neal back. But again, and most importantly, the price has to be right considering what contracts we have coming down the pipeline.
     
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    WHO GENERATED PRESSURE WHEN MATTHEWS WAS OUT? IF HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING IN UR OPINION.
     
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    I would like to bring Neal back for a reasonable deal. While he´s far from perfect, right now he´s our best option at left OLB.
     
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  20. dchen46

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    So you guys think Neal is better than Perry?
     
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    Neal has to be considered better than perry. Neal is not the same situation as perry like people are saying. Neal was close to 300 pounds as a DE. He had to make THAT switch. Perry started out under 270. You'd think that would make him more of a natural. Perry has had longer to make the switch, yet in Neal's first year, he has more production than perry has in the last 2. Neal deserves a paycheck. Not big money, but enough to show him we aren't ignoring his production.


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    He´s better suited to play on the left side than Perry.
     
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    - Perry has been decent rushing from the right side, but somehow he is ineffective from the left side:
    Right side: 55 pr snaps, 4 sacks, 11 "pressures" ; Left side: 139 pr snaps, 0 sacks, 14 "pressures" (stats are from PFF, they don't use half sacks)
    - Neal on the other hand has been kind of "effective" rushing from both sides:
    Right side: 89 pr snaps, 2 sacks, 9 "pressures" ; Left side: 290 pr snaps, 3 sacks, 37 "pressures"

    Actually Perry's pass rush stats aren't that bad, his cover stats are very ugly though. He is probably the worst cover linebacker in the league (he gave up 2,43 yards per cover snap, by far the most among linebackers. Neal gave up "only" 1,12 yards per cover snap, which also ranks near the bottom). So the problem with Perry is that he is a one-trick-pony. He does have value as a pass-rushing specialist, but not as 3-down linebacker. Neal is definitely not an complete linebacker, but he is better in coverage and a better tackler than Perry.

    I short, think keeping Neal would be a smart move if the price is right. I would however not be surprised if a 4-3 team picks him up.
     

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