Josh Jacobs facing charges…

[OldSchool101]

I was doing curls in a hallway outside our weight room in HS. Just as I was doing a last rep this jerk guy grabbed me by throat tight and I literally passed out and woke up slouched against the wall like 10 seconds later. Looking back I could’ve pressed charges on Tom because what he thought was funny was very dangerous. This kinda stuff happens all the time and not all of it is life threatening. Looking back though by definition that’s Felony strangulation. If you did that to the wrong person it wouldn’t be games we’re talking jail time and a huge civil suit.

 

[mradtke66]

My brief understanding is that Wisconsin requires an arrest when a DV complaint is filed. They have done so. The DA then assess the case for merit. It's possible they have in sufficient evidence or a weak case for one reason or another. It's possible actual charges may be filed once an investigation happens.

I'll do my best to keep an open mind, but if this is true, a man strangling a romantic partner is terrifying. That is the point of an abusive partner waving the flag of "next time, I will kill you."

 

[AmishMafia]

I'll do my best to keep an open mind, but if this is true, a man strangling a romantic partner is terrifying.

Here's the thing. Some gals are into that. And maybe Jacobs has some texts discussing the rough stuff with her. This could be over something else and she is trying to extort him. But hey, if he has done this he should be gone. I just dont think he did it other than my gut and probably just wishful thinking.

 

[mradtke66]

Here's the thing. Some gals are into that. And maybe Jacobs has some texts discussing the rough stuff with her. This could be over something else and she is trying to extort him. But hey, if he has done this he should be gone. I just dont think he did it other than my gut and probably just wishful thinking.

Certainly she could be into that, which is why I'm willing to keep an open mind.

 

[weeds]

What you get for dating.....we will just say "low character" women....

Well that's what I'm thinking but if you say it, somebody is going to yell YOU'RE BLAMING THE VICTIM? To which I reply ... no, I'm talking about a person who CLAIMS to be a victim. This claim just feels out of character for this guy. Never met the man ... but you can get a feel for a guy with all the interviewing he gets stuck with locally.

 

[milani]

My brief understanding is that Wisconsin requires an arrest when a DV complaint is filed. They have done so. The DA then assess the case for merit. It's possible they have in sufficient evidence or a weak case for one reason or another. It's possible actual charges may be filed once an investigation happens.

I'll do my best to keep an open mind, but if this is true, a man strangling a romantic partner is terrifying. That is the point of an abusive partner waving the flag of "next time, I will kill you."

And by the same token, if this was a fabrication due to a spiteful partner, that can be deemed just as horrific. I wish it were neither, but it apparently is one or the other.

 

[weeds]

I read that he posted something to one of the social media sites in January of them walking on a beach together so ... she had been crummy with the Bears QB... you know 5 months in an i hope she didn't "move in" - then, she's a tenant...if she refuses to leave, she has to be evicted. UGH... I'm glad I'm old.

 

[Firethorn1001]

My guess is they were both going at it, tore up the house which led to the police being called and him being arrested because obviously something happened, but there isn't enough obvious evidence at this time for charges (or she is refusing) and now everyone waits.

Probably will get hit with the personal damages/disorderly conduct, fine/probation and maybe a game or two. Just seems like it is going that path.

Now new evidence could come up to totally change this, but at this time guessing they both got into it.

If truly is a nothing burger, next NFL player might want to steer clear of her. Plenty of simps on the net to pay her monthly bills $9.99 at a time.

 

[OldSchool101]

My guess is they were both going at it, tore up the house which led to the police being called and him being arrested because obviously something happened, but there isn't enough obvious evidence at this time for charges (or she is refusing) and now everyone waits.

Probably will get hit with the personal damages/disorderly conduct, fine/probation and maybe a game or two. Just seems like it is going that path.

Now new evidence could come up to totally change this, but at this time guessing they both got into it.

If truly is a nothing burger, next NFL player might want to steer clear of her. Plenty of simps on the net to pay her monthly bills $9.99 at a time.

Also it could be the truth of accuracy lies inbetween. She could be trying to extort him for $$ and he did cross the line, but not as bad as she’s having to portray it. In which case there could be a pleas bargain for misdemeanor and settlement without involving the court etc.

 

[mradtke66]

And by the same token, if this was a fabrication due to a spiteful partner, that can be deemed just as horrific. I wish it were neither, but it apparently is one or the other.

I don’t see them as equivalent. At all. Both are bad, yes. One ruins your reputation. The other puts you in the ground.

 

[milani]

I don’t see them as equivalent. At all. Both are bad, yes. One ruins your reputation. The other puts you in the ground.

Destroying someone's reputation can be just as bad. Dying as an innocent victim or trying to live a life in which you are ostracized, tormented, and forced into oblivion and made an outcast because of an alleged accusation which society believes will send you to an early grave. And in many a time it results in suicide from having to live with it. So you have an instant death or a prolonged suffering death. Which is worse? Depends on how much and how long you suffer. In addition your friends and families live with the stigma of trying to defend you when the kangaroo court has condemned you even though you are innocent but society thinks otherwise.

 

[El Guapo]

I don't understand these athletes. Millions of dollars, world by the balls and they do everything they can to lose it.

Nolan Smith and a ton of other guys driving over 100 MPH
Athletes driving drunk
Getting involved with obvious low character women.

I will never understand lol.

We're still talking about 20-30yr old men. I still did a lot of stupid things in my 20s and never had the money or enablers around me to amplify my immaturity. These guys may have a tiger by the tail, the world on a string, but they're still young and not always wise yet.

 

[milani]

We're still talking about 20-30yr old men. I still did a lot of stupid things in my 20s and never had the money or enablers around me to amplify my immaturity. These guys may have a tiger by the tail, the world on a string, but they're still young and not always wise yet.

So true. Youth, energy, and life never looked so good. We all succumb to some degree.

 

[CarryTheG14]

We're still talking about 20-30yr old men. I still did a lot of stupid things in my 20s and never had the money or enablers around me to amplify my immaturity. These guys may have a tiger by the tail, the world on a string, but they're still young and not always wise yet.

They help these guys so much now. Whatever supports they need, money, guidance; from college throughout their pro career.

 

[mradtke66]

Destroying someone's reputation can be just as bad.

Hard disagree. Strangulation is slow and painful. In what world is death through torture in any way even in the same ballpark as a false accusation? I agree that a false accusation is bad and should not be done, but the two are not even on the same scale.

I also find it telling many are speculating how likely this is to be false when the alleged victim didn't make the call to the police, the neighbors did.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Hard disagree. Strangulation is slow and painful. In what world is death through torture in any way even in the same ballpark as a false accusation? I agree that a false accusation is bad and should not be done, but the two are not even on the same scale.

I also find it telling many are speculating how likely this is to be false when the alleged victim didn't make the call to the police, the neighbors did.

I really don't see many speculating these accusations to be FALSE. I'm seeing more of the "let's let the facts play out." We've seen all too many times where bad conclusions are jumped to early in the process.

 

[Schultz]

Hard disagree. Strangulation is slow and painful. In what world is death through torture in any way even in the same ballpark as a false accusation? I agree that a false accusation is bad and should not be done, but the two are not even on the same scale.

I also find it telling many are speculating how likely this is to be false when the alleged victim didn't make the call to the police, the neighbors did.

Actually, that makes me feel a little better. Makes me think the neighbors heard something, but did not see anything. Oh, crap there I go speculating, and on the internet! By golly what has gotten into me?

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Maybe she deserved everything he did to her.

Struts around the house half naked all day, looking to be layed, decides
it's not what she's looking for, then runs outside and hollers ****.

Don't ask me how I know.

 

[milani]

Hard disagree. Strangulation is slow and painful. In what world is death through torture in any way even in the same ballpark as a false accusation? I agree that a false accusation is bad and should not be done, but the two are not even on the same scale.

I also find it telling many are speculating how likely this is to be false when the alleged victim didn't make the call to the police, the neighbors did.

So you are telling us that being Richard Kimball is better than being Richard Kimball's murdered wife. So it is not so bad to be sent to the death house for a crime he never committed only to be framed. So it is not so bad to be forced to run and hide for four years from the law obsessed with your capture. And your only hope is to find the one armed man.
Well, this is not Hollywood. If the man is guilty he should be held accountable. But if he is not then the accuser should be held accountable to the same standard. But the result NEVER restores someone's life. It NEVER restores someone's reputation. The damage is done. Try and live with the unbearable stigma or die.
A great example was Dr. Sam Shepherd whose wife was murdered in his own home. Tried and convicted. Finally, released years later, but because his life was destroyed he died not long after his release. And years later we learn evidence was withheld at the trial, DNA evidence that pointed to a different perpetrator.
As a teenager I knew someone who was tried and convicted for the murder of a 13 year old girl. An overzealous County Sheriff pursued a rush to judgment investigation while evidence showed the timeline was incompatible and the motive made no sense. Finally, after 20 years the governor reviewed the evidence and commuted him after private investigation presented scientific evidence that pointed to a known serial killer who commit suicide for fear of prosecution. Justice is one necessity. But blind justice is egregious. And we all should no what it is. A guy many of us are familiar with got hung up on a cross for something He never did.

 

[gopkrs]

So you are telling us that being Richard Kimball is better than being Richard Kimball's murdered wife. So it is not so bad to be sent to the death house for a crime he never committed only to be framed. So it is not so bad to be forced to run and hide for four years from the law obsessed with your capture. And your only hope is to find the one armed man.
Well, this is not Hollywood. If the man is guilty he should be held accountable. But if he is not then the accuser should be held accountable to the same standard. But the result NEVER restores someone's life. It NEVER restores someone's reputation. The damage is done. Try and live with the unbearable stigma or die.
A great example was Dr. Sam Shepherd whose wife was murdered in his own home. Tried and convicted. Finally, released years later, but because his life was destroyed he died not long after his release. And years later we learn evidence was withheld at the trial, DNA evidence that pointed to a different perpetrator.
As a teenager I knew someone who was tried and convicted for the murder of a 13 year old girl. An overzealous County Sheriff pursued a rush to judgment investigation while evidence showed the timeline was incompatible and the motive made no sense. Finally, after 20 years the governor reviewed the evidence and commuted him after private investigation presented scientific evidence that pointed to a known serial killer who commit suicide for fear of prosecution. Justice is one necessity. But blind justice is egregious. And we all should no what it is. A guy many of us are familiar with got hung up on a cross for something He never did.

I really hate that the "good" guys totally simply try for convictions. That's how they decide if they are doing a good job. Truth, a lot of times, just isn't important to them.

 

[mradtke66]

So you are telling us that being Richard Kimball is better than being Richard Kimball's murdered wife. So it is not so bad to be sent to the death house for a crime he never committed only to be framed. So it is not so bad to be forced to run and hide for four years from the law obsessed with your capture. And your only hope is to find the one armed man.
Well, this is not Hollywood. If the man is guilty he should be held accountable. But if he is not then the accuser should be held accountable to the same standard. But the result NEVER restores someone's life. It NEVER restores someone's reputation. The damage is done. Try and live with the unbearable stigma or die.
A great example was Dr. Sam Shepherd whose wife was murdered in his own home. Tried and convicted. Finally, released years later, but because his life was destroyed he died not long after his release. And years later we learn evidence was withheld at the trial, DNA evidence that pointed to a different perpetrator.
As a teenager I knew someone who was tried and convicted for the murder of a 13 year old girl. An overzealous County Sheriff pursued a rush to judgment investigation while evidence showed the timeline was incompatible and the motive made no sense. Finally, after 20 years the governor reviewed the evidence and commuted him after private investigation presented scientific evidence that pointed to a known serial killer who commit suicide for fear of prosecution. Justice is one necessity. But blind justice is egregious. And we all should no what it is. A guy many of us are familiar with got hung up on a cross for something He never did.

Richard Kimble is fiction, but sure. Dead is worse. If you’re alive, you can fight to clear you name. Can’t be made un-dead no matter what.

Withheld evidence isn’t a false accusation, that’s prosecutorial misconduct.

I’m withholding my judgement with Jacobs. What we know right now is little. 2 sets of neighbors heard something. Police were called. An arrest was made per Wisconsin laws. The alleged victim has not made a statement. So far, the only accusation is made by the police who arrested him. The DA has not yet filed charges. Charges filed or not does not mean he did or did not do it. They boils down to if the DA thinks a crime has been committed AND how likely he is to get a conviction.

The booking charges make me raise my eyebrows. Gives me pause, however you want to say it. But that’s as far I’ll speculate.

 

[milani]

Richard Kimble is fiction, but sure. Dead is worse. If you’re alive, you can fight to clear you name. Can’t be made un-dead no matter what.

Withheld evidence isn’t a false accusation, that’s prosecutorial misconduct.

I’m withholding my judgement with Jacobs. What we know right now is little. 2 sets of neighbors heard something. Police were called. An arrest was made per Wisconsin laws. The alleged victim has not made a statement. So far, the only accusation is made by the police who arrested him. The DA has not yet filed charges. Charges filed or not does not mean he did or did not do it. They boils down to if the DA thinks a crime has been committed AND how likely he is to get a conviction.

The booking charges make me raise my eyebrows. Gives me pause, however you want to say it. But that’s as far I’ll speculate.

He may be guilty as charged and should be held accountable. But she is NOT dead. And if her accusations happen to be false claims, she should have the book thrown at her.
Someone once gave a man named Moses a tablet of Ten Commandments. One of those says Thou shalt not kill. But another says Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. We can take that for what it is worth but there is nothing that says one is not so bad or one is at the bottom of the list. If that were the case Neither would have been commanded.
Talk about trying to clear one's name. What about Fatty Arbuckle who did nothing wrong but was charged for the murder of Virginia Rappe. He eventually won his case in court but it cost him everything, he was blacklisted, it caused his health to quickly deteriorate, and he died shortly there after, a broken, penniless, misjudged man.
The same can be said of Errol Flynn and many others through the years. Not everyone is Bill Cosby.
People in high profile, acting, music, sports, and government, can and still are the target of predators. The alleged victims are not always the real victims. Once the book is thrown at a false accuser, instead of a slap of the wrist, such behavior will dry up.
And the most important reason why this IS equivocal is guess what.
False accusations by just ONE person destroy the credibility of thousands who actually ARE the soon to be victims. They become the boy who cried wolf. It makes it that much harder. They fail to report the problem and actually do suffer death eventually. I know this from experience. In the back of the mind of a jury, a judge, a district attorney, and a prosecutor, doubt and uncertainty lie there even when the evidence may appear valid. And all because of false witness.

 

[OldSchool101]

He may be guilty as charged and should be held accountable. But she is NOT dead. And if her accusations happen to be false claims, she should have the book thrown at her.
Someone once gave a man named Moses a tablet of Ten Commandments. One of those says Thou shalt not kill. But another says Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. We can take that for what it is worth but there is nothing that says one is not so bad or one is at the bottom of the list. If that were the case Neither would have been commanded.
Talk about trying to clear one's name. What about Fatty Arbuckle who did nothing wrong but was charged for the murder of Virginia Rappe. He eventually won his case in court but it cost him everything, he was blacklisted, it caused his health to quickly deteriorate, and he died shortly there after, a broken, penniless, misjudged man.
The same can be said of Errol Flynn and many others through the years. Not everyone is Bill Cosby.
People in high profile, acting, music, sports, and government, can and still are the target of predators. The alleged victims are not always the real victims. Once the book is thrown at a false accuser, instead of a slap of the wrist, such behavior will dry up.
And the most important reason why this IS equivocal is guess what.
False accusations by just ONE person destroy the credibility of thousands who actually ARE the soon to be victims. They become the boy who cried wolf. It makes it that much harder. They fail to report the problem and actually do suffer death eventually. I know this from experience. In the back of the mind of a jury, a judge, a district attorney, and a prosecutor, doubt and uncertainty lie there even when the evidence may appear valid. And all because of false witness.

I’ve always thought that if you get caught for any reason deceiving the court as a plaintiff? You should be awarded 50% of the sentencing of a Defendants potential or actual sentencing phase.
If the accusations are leading towards a 10 year sentence and $20,000 fine. If you get caught submitting any claims that are proven false you also pay $10,000 restitution and 5 years in prison.
You’d better be certain your testimony or evidence is Rock solid truth

 

[milani]

I’ve always thought that if you get caught for any reason deceiving the court as a plaintiff? You should be awarded 50% of the sentencing of a Defendants potential or actual sentencing phase.
If the accusations are leading towards a 10 year sentence and $20,000 fine. If you get caught submitting any claims that are proven false you also pay $10,000 restitution and 5 years in prison.
You’d better be certain your testimony or evidence is Rock solid truth

Restitution is all that is left. But there is no true Restitution. A person's reputation can never be restored to its previous level. You cannot give back the years lost whether they be 2 or 20. And you cannot erase the personal and emotional suffering experienced by the person or the family. It is an indelible mark.

 

[mradtke66]

He may be guilty as charged and should be held accountable. But she is NOT dead. And if her accusations happen to be false claims, she should have the book thrown at her.
Someone once gave a man named Moses a tablet of Ten Commandments. One of those says Thou shalt not kill. But another says Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. We can take that for what it is worth but there is nothing that says one is not so bad or one is at the bottom of the list. If that were the case Neither would have been commanded.
Talk about trying to clear one's name. What about Fatty Arbuckle who did nothing wrong but was charged for the murder of Virginia Rappe. He eventually won his case in court but it cost him everything, he was blacklisted, it caused his health to quickly deteriorate, and he died shortly there after, a broken, penniless, misjudged man.
The same can be said of Errol Flynn and many others through the years. Not everyone is Bill Cosby.
People in high profile, acting, music, sports, and government, can and still are the target of predators. The alleged victims are not always the real victims. Once the book is thrown at a false accuser, instead of a slap of the wrist, such behavior will dry up.
And the most important reason why this IS equivocal is guess what.
False accusations by just ONE person destroy the credibility of thousands who actually ARE the soon to be victims. They become the boy who cried wolf. It makes it that much harder. They fail to report the problem and actually do suffer death eventually. I know this from experience. In the back of the mind of a jury, a judge, a district attorney, and a prosecutor, doubt and uncertainty lie there even when the evidence may appear valid. And all because of false witness.

The problem here is this person did not (as far as we know) these allegations. Whatever happened was bad enough that neighbors call the police. The allegations are thus from the police, not from the alleged victim.

In Jacobs favor, Wisconsin statues require some get arrested. Against him is the strangulation arresting charges. I don’t know what constitutes getting that on the sheet. Statement? Visible bruising? If it’s the former, that’s a little wishy washy. If is the later, there aren’t many good excuses. Not zero, but it’s small.