Vltrophy
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No CJ. TT would not want his huge contract. His attitude is not much better if any from Finley
Somewhere out there, is a bull of a running back waiting for some green and maybe GOLD..and not in his mouth..hope we can find him..Seems like just about all of our RBs are over-rated.
Except for James Starks.
He is the only one that I know of who produced.
We gotta get him back out there ASAP.
Is this a deal you would do? Perhaps a middle-round draft pick would be necessary. Regardless, is this a deal you would be in favor of?
Yes or no.
That would be great.someone mentioned any other trade senarios, I know the Browns would never go for it even though they could use a decent TE, Finley and Newhouse for Joe Thomas.
I saw that, very impressive.To your other points, Newhouse has actually proven to be a good pass blocker. PFF has him as the 5th best pass blocking LT. Run blocking, not so much.
I would do my "three-for-one" as described above, but to add our first-rounder next year to the deal? I'm not sure about that, unless Cleveland would add their 2nd- or 3rd-rounder next year to the mix.... Now then, getting Joe Thomas. I would give them Jennings, Finley, Newhouse, and our 1st round pick. That still might not be enough for Cleveland to actually give him up.
That would be great.
I would even be willing to throw in Greg Jennings just to get Thomas...if he would agree to a long-term deal.
Crazy?
Maybe not:
- Has Marshall Newhouse proven he is capable in run-blocking and pass protection?
- Should we continue to tolerate Jermichael Finley being "Jermichael Finley"?
....and....
- Can't our offense excel without Greg Jennings (6 TDs vs. Houston!), especially in view of the fact that he's missing more games of late AND we might not be able to re-sign him in the off-$$eason?
I know this "three-for-one" suggestion might seem unreasonable on the surface, but I'd make this trade....providing Joe Thomas is 100% healthy and signs a long-term deal with us at the time of the transaction.
I believe Joe Thomas is a "stud" OL. His addition would better protect A-Rod, as well as improve our running game.
Am I crazy for making this trade proposal?
I would do my "three-for-one" as described above, but to add our first-rounder next year to the deal? I'm not sure about that, unless Cleveland would add their 2nd- or 3rd-rounder next year to the mix.
But that's the rub. Thomas is easily worth those 4 things I would be willing to offer and probably more. He's probably the best in the league at his position. At worst, he's 1B. Newhouse is overall around 15th best, Jennings around 10th but injured and aging. Finley, on paper, is about the 3rd best tight end, but he's under performed this year. That's a terrible trade for Thomas. We'd need the 1 just get them talking.
Now, having Cleveland throw in their 2nd? That makes the trade even worse than the 3 for 1 trade you mention. Projecting what I see happening, Packers will pick late in the round, Cleveland early. Our 1st won't be much more valuable than their 2nd, which makes sense, as they'll probably only be ~12 picks apart or less. (I'm presuming the Packers make the playoffs, with their pick no earlier than 26 and the Browns being terrible, with a pick around 4 again.)
I figure the best we could do would be to give them the three players, our 1st round pick, and swap 3rds. Your proposal has much more in common with, "I'll give you our backup punter that has a bad ACL for your all Pro Left Tackle" than a real trade.
WOW...that is some awfully friendly paper then..lol
Better than finley: Gronkowski, Hernandez, Gonzalez,Whiten, Vernon davis, Jimmy graham, owen danials, J gresham, Heath miller, Greg olson......
I'm more concerned with his "mouth" than his "drops." I'm also wondering if he is (or could become) a "cancer in the locker room."Also, Finley is still young at 24. You can fix a lot of "youthful stupidity" with that much time in front of you.
That's a GIGANTIC "if".• If Finley is the third best TE in the league why would the Packers be trading him?
OK. In your opinion, what would be the absolute MINIMUM (above scenario) Cleveland would demand for Joe Thomas?
(And be realistic, or we'll never get TT to do the deal; you know he reads these threads!)
Besides those 3 guys, Tony Gonzalez, the big monster Rudolph in Minny..... there are a few others playing better than
Minor nit. I did not call him the 3rd best this year. I said I would consider him the 3rd best in 2011. This year, not so much. Of course, maybe his drops are an easy fix.
As far as who I'd rather have or be willing to trade for as an upgrade, I'd need to spend a lot of time just thinking about it. Of course I'd take Gronk in a heartbeat, but you couldn't pay me to take Gonzalez. Too damn old.
Whether or not mradke66 ‘called him the 3rd best’ TE or ‘considers him the 3rd best in 2011’ I sure as hell didn’t. My point (which I think is clear) was for those arguing Finley is the 3rd best TE (or those considering him such), why would the Packers trade such a valuable player? IOW, to counter his point you should quote his post.That's a GIGANTIC "if".
"If I win the lottery tonight....."
Anybody notice that Johnson went for 200 yards today and 2 TD's?No.. not because I think Johnson is done physically.. because I think mentally he has crapped out.
1. 2000 yards went to his head.
2. He is running scared.. last Thursday night was the best he has ran this season, but even then he was shying away from contact. The Packers don't grade open lanes.. they flash and then close, you have to be decisive in your read. Johnson isn't that right now.. and to be honest, don't know that it is coming back.
3. He has already cashed in, since he held out and signed his payday.. he just has not been the same.
4. I really don't know how much upstairs he can handle, in a offense like ours, I lack the confidence that he can pick the offense up.
IMO, even with Finley struggling to produce, he still would offer more value to our passing game than Johnson would add to our offense.
So again.. Not for me.