GB @ DALLAS Sunday Night Showdown

[Voyageur]

Thanks - well that's an improvement. It's still very early in his career, but Morgan hasn't done anything to impress me. Then again, you mostly hear about the OL guys when they mess up. Belton seems to show more promise.

I'm still pulling for Morgan. It probably hasn't helped that the Packers never assigned him to just one or two positions. He is atypical of the Packer OL in the low number of positions he plays. Nothing wrong with that. I think he would play better if he was consistently used at LT or LG.

He's pressing too hard to make his blocks. It often happens to players early on when they think the guy across from them is better than they are. As they improve their footwork and get a lower center of balance in their sets their confidence goes up, and they don't overreact. It takes time. At this point I'm not panicky. I've seen it with the best the Packers have had over the years.

 

[milani]

Thanks - well that's an improvement. It's still very early in his career, but Morgan hasn't done anything to impress me. Then again, you mostly hear about the OL guys when they mess up. Belton seems to show more promise.

I'm still pulling for Morgan. It probably hasn't helped that the Packers never assigned him to just one or two positions. He is atypical of the Packer OL in the low number of positions he plays. Nothing wrong with that. I think he would play better if he was consistently used at LT or LG.

And the team we play next, Cincy, had 10 penalties last night in the 2nd quarter alone. It is a season for the zebras.

 

[OldSchool101]

GB is ranked #32 in False Starts (10)
and #29 in Holding penalties. After 4 games GB is in a 4-way tie at #30 for most penalties (35). Only Jacksonville (38), Minnesota (37) have committed more.
Playing at home GB is a more pedestrian 14 flags. On the Road GB has 21 flags across the last 2 weeks. Only Cincinatti commits more penalties on the Road (22).

*GB is the worst team in the league across the last 3 games, averaging 10.33 penalties per contest. Vikes and Giants both averaged 9.7.

In 2024, GB ranked #23 (Tied w/Giants) for most penalties.


Imo we have 3 areas of concern
1. Penalties
2. Using the Clock properly (especially inside of last 5 minutes of each Half)
3. Blocking on FG/XPA Teams.

*The Pittsburgh Steelers are the least penalized team so far in 2025.

 

[milani]

GB is ranked #32 in False Starts (10)
and #29 in Holding penalties. After 4 games GB is in a 4-way tie at #30 for most penalties (35). Only Jacksonville (38), Minnesota (37) have committed more.
Playing at home GB is a more pedestrian 14 flags. On the Road GB has 21 flags across the last 2 weeks. Only Cincinatti commits more penalties on the Road (22).

*GB is the worst team in the league across the last 3 games, averaging 10.33 penalties per contest. Vikes and Giants both averaged 9.7.

In 2024, GB ranked #23 (Tied w/Giants) for most penalties.


Imo we have 3 areas of concern
1. Penalties
2. Using the Clock properly (especially inside of last 5 minutes of each Half)
3. Blocking on FG/XPA Teams.

*The Pittsburgh Steelers are the least penalized team so far in 2025.

Noooo! The Bears surpassed us?

 

[tynimiller]

GB is ranked #32 in False Starts (10)
and #29 in Holding penalties. After 4 games GB is in a 4-way tie at #30 for most penalties (35). Only Jacksonville (38), Minnesota (37) have committed more.
Playing at home GB is a more pedestrian 14 flags. On the Road GB has 21 flags across the last 2 weeks. Only Cincinatti commits more penalties on the Road (22).

*GB is the worst team in the league across the last 3 games, averaging 10.33 penalties per contest. Vikes and Giants both averaged 9.7.

In 2024, GB ranked #23 (Tied w/Giants) for most penalties.


Imo we have 3 areas of concern
1. Penalties
2. Using the Clock properly (especially inside of last 5 minutes of each Half)
3. Blocking on FG/XPA Teams.

*The Pittsburgh Steelers are the least penalized team so far in 2025.

For sure.

Just think, we actually block on two field goals and we are likely 4-0

 

[OldSchool101]

For sure.

Just think, we actually block on two field goals and we are likely 4-0

Yep. Now To be sure for some in here, I’m not complaining. I’m stating obvious areas of concern or weakness to shore up. If we can lose on a walk off FG or on a Tie? That infers that 1 significant play cost us a W in the column.

 

[OldSchool101]

Chris Collinsworth is a piece of work. Complimenting how good Dallas was blocking all night. Courtesy of:
“Packers Total Access”. Great group over there!

Btw. These were all either 3rd down completions or scoring plays. They weren’t insignificant uncalled Holding.
Any 1 of these being called and it’s a W.
One one frame LVN gets tackled onto the ground at Daks feet. In another 2 Frames you’ll see the “1” on Micah Jersey is actually being pulled so much that the only way that possible is with a handful. The OL can get away with minor holding BUT! They MUST keep the opponent in the square, front framework of their shoulders. Any grabbing outside that (getting beat) is a foul. Here are several examples of obvious ones.
It’s not a condemnation on the League because several officiating crews are guilty. However afterwards those crews must be held accountable when multiple Holds (some on the same play!) are not flagged. There’s always going to be 1 or 2 getting missed.
What this speaks to is GB didn’t “slack off”. They actually played 2 opponents. Dallas and the NFL Refs

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[tynimiller]

Chris Collinsworth is a piece of work. Complimenting how good Dallas was blocking all night. Courtesy of:
“Packers Total Access”. Great group over there!

Btw. These were all either 3rd down completions or scoring plays. They weren’t insignificant uncalled Holding.
Any 1 of these being called and it’s a W.
One one frame LVN gets tackled onto the ground at Daks feet. In another 2 Frames you’ll see the “1” on Micah Jersey is actually being pulled so much that the only way that possible is with a handful. The OL can get away with minor holding BUT! They MUST keep the opponent in the square, front framework of their shoulders. Any grabbing outside that (getting beat) is a foul. Here are several examples of obvious ones.
It’s not a condemnation on the League because several officiating crews are guilty. However afterwards those crews must be held accountable when multiple Holds (some on the same play!) are not flagged. There’s always going to be 1 or 2 getting missed.
What this speaks to is GB didn’t “slack off”. They actually played 2 opponents. Dallas and the NFL Refs

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Oh for sure, I was commenting live on the game thread a few times - I was SO MAD.

I have rewatched the All22...now when looking for something you see it more, but I counted three egregiously bad blown calls on Parsons alone, and a handful of others that honestly are by definition but rarely get called - if arm is up around neck when beat, it doesn't stay longer than a second for example.

It was BAD though. BUT Chris isn't wrong the OL protected the crap out of us within the restrictions of that game...and those refs didn't apply any restrictions.

 

[Voyageur]

Oh for sure, I was commenting live on the game thread a few times - I was SO MAD.

I have rewatched the All22...now when looking for something you see it more, but I counted three egregiously bad blown calls on Parsons alone, and a handful of others that honestly are by definition but rarely get called - if arm is up around neck when beat, it doesn't stay longer than a second for example.

It was BAD though. BUT Chris isn't wrong the OL protected the crap out of us within the restrictions of that game...and those refs didn't apply any restrictions.

When I watch replays to evaluate play, I turn the volume off. I don't need the outside noise trying to influence what I'm seeing.

 

[tynimiller]

When I watch replays to evaluate play, I turn the volume off. I don't need the outside noise trying to influence what I'm seeing.

All22 I don't think even has audio....if it does I've never noticed it does and must always have it pulled up on mute.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I just thought this was funny. I can't think of the best place to post it, so I figured I'd drop it here.

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[tynimiller]

I just thought this was funny. I can't think of the best place to post it, so I figured I'd drop it here.

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There are some smaller framed dudes that have them I just laugh...the smaller the dude the more hilarious they look.

 

[Magooch]

I think I said it a week ago, I used to think it was just my Dallas-fan relatives crying about Parsons being held and no-call all the time....but yeah, they were right lol. That dude gets mugged every down and can rarely buy a flag.

 

[OldSchool101]

If we get everyone to wear that Helmet? We can safely go back to the days of Helmet to Helmet legal spearing again! Without incident!

 

[Thirteen Below]

If we get everyone to wear that Helmet? We can safely go back to the days of Helmet to Helmet legal spearing again! Without incident!

I think they ought make a special "cheesehead" concussion helmet just for Packer players.

Here are several examples of obvious ones.
It’s not a condemnation on the League because several officiating crews are guilty. However afterwards those crews must be held accountable when multiple Holds (some on the same play!) are not flagged. There’s always going to be 1 or 2 getting missed.

There was some other weird officiating going on that not many people are talking about. According to Micah Parsons, he was ordered into the blue tent for concussion protocol late in the 3rd quarter, for no reason at all, and was kept there long enough that he missed the Dallas 3rd quarter touchdown.

But it was Parsons who grabbed at his back on the sideline after going down ******* a play late in the third quarter.

“I came out for a play, and next thing you know they took me in a tent. I thought that was very weird, because I didn’t even grab my head when I came up. I grabbed my back,” he said. “That was just so weird. I don’t know what the NFL saw or why they tried to put me in concussion protocol.”

Once out of that tent, Parsons got his helmet and turned toward the field just as the Cowboys scored. He raised his arms in apparent frustration and almost threw his helmet.

Micah Parsons gets OT sack but nobody wins in Packers' visit to Dallas a month after trade

Micah Parsons finally got a sack for the Green Bay Packers against his former mentor in overtime

abcnews.go.com

What this speaks to is GB didn’t “slack off”. They actually played 2 opponents. Dallas and the NFL Refs

I'm more and more looking at that whole game differently. It wasn't just the holding; let's not forget that blatant intentional grounding that the officials totally ignored. I've never said this before in my life, but for the first time, I honestly think the officials deliberately threw that game.

I don't think it was on the defense at all anymore. But special teams and Lafleur still have to take responsibility for the loss; as bad as the officiating was, we still should have won that game comfortably, but teams and MLF pissed it away.

This is a very good video on this topic...

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[DoURant]

With all the legal betting allowed in sports, it will bring about the question/doubt of whether there is outside influence deciding games.

 

[Thirteen Below]

With all the legal betting allowed in sports, it will bring about the question/doubt of whether there is outside influence deciding games.

And this would have been a textbook example of the perfect game to do it - a lot of people lost a lot of money Sunday night, which means that people who bet againstthe odds won a lot of money. A hell of a lot of money.

Again, I feel weird just suggesting it, because I soud like some sort of conspiracy wacko. But, as they say.... follow the money.

 

[DoURant]

And this would have been a textbook example of the perfect game to do it - a lot of people lost a lot of money Sunday night, which means that people who bet againstthe odds won a lot of money. A hell of a lot of money.

Again, I feel weird just suggesting it, because I soud like some sort of conspiracy wacko. But, as they say.... follow the money.

There have been plenty of players suspended from pro sports already, not to mention an NBA referee a couple years back. If money is involved, people will always find a way... so no, you do not sound like a conspiracy wacko! LOL

 

[Voyageur]

What I find ironic is that they are using professional athletes to advertise betting services even though these guys can't place bets or they get booted from the sport. Allowing gambling into our sports venues was pure stupidity.

 

[milani]

What I find ironic is that they are using professional athletes to advertise betting services even though these guys can't place bets or they get booted from the sport. Allowing gambling into our sports venues was pure stupidity.

Could you picture Paul Hornung advertising for that back in the day?

 

[Voyageur]

Could you picture Paul Hornung advertising for that back in the day?

Him and Karras sitting on a sofa exchanging notes. Karras saying, "I'm Alex Karras. My friend Paul and I are supplementing our lousy salaries in the NFL by scoring on some really amazing parlays. At Bent Nose Bennie's betting consortium, they have a heart. They give all their bettors an extra week to pay up before breaking their legs because they know it's pretty difficult playing on Sunday with broken legs. That's why everyone around the league is enrolled in their online betting parlor."

Paul gives the thumbs up with one hand, and says, "Only at Bennie's, where NFL defensive linemen have found a great opportunity to make a few extra dollars by being collectors for Bennie. Bennies.... there for everyone in our line of work. That's Bennie's at 555-YOUBET. Give us a call. Bennie will be glad to take your money."

 

[Heyjoe4]

He's pressing too hard to make his blocks. It often happens to players early on when they think the guy across from them is better than they are. As they improve their footwork and get a lower center of balance in their sets their confidence goes up, and they don't overreact. It takes time. At this point I'm not panicky. I've seen it with the best the Packers have had over the years.

Well said, and you avoided using the phrase "pad level"! Well done V!

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think they ought make a special "cheesehead" concussion helmet just for Packer players.



There was some other weird officiating going on that not many people are talking about. According to Micah Parsons, he was ordered into the blue tent for concussion protocol late in the 3rd quarter, for no reason at all, and was kept there long enough that he missed the Dallas 3rd quarter touchdown.

Micah Parsons gets OT sack but nobody wins in Packers' visit to Dallas a month after trade

Micah Parsons finally got a sack for the Green Bay Packers against his former mentor in overtime

abcnews.go.com

I'm more and more looking at that whole game differently. It wasn't just the holding; let's not forget that blatant intentional grounding that the officials totally ignored. I've never said this before in my life, but for the first time, I honestly think the officials deliberately threw that game.

I don't think it was on the defense at all anymore. But special teams and Lafleur still have to take responsibility for the loss; as bad as the officiating was, we still should have won that game comfortably, but teams and MLF pissed it away.

This is a very good video on this topic...

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I'm with you 13 on the missed grounding call, but won't go so far as to say it was an intentional act by the official(s). They have nothing to gain by doing that. I just don't believe pro sports are fixed by officials/refs, at any level and to any degree, in pro sports. For that to be truly effective, more than one official would need to be in on it, meaning it's a conspiracy. And I don't buy any conspiracy theory.

Even so, it was an egregious miss.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Could you picture Paul Hornung advertising for that back in the day?

That's hilarious. I'm a little surprised the NFL allows players to sponsor gambling sites. I'm sure it's not in the CBA, other than a prohibition against gambling on any NFL game or stat. I don't really think it's a big deal. It is very bad optics though for the players and the league.

 

[Magooch]

I'm with you 13 on the missed grounding call, but won't go so far as to say it was an intentional act by the official(s). They have nothing to gain by doing that. I just don't believe pro sports are fixed by officials/refs, at any level and to any degree, in pro sports. For that to be truly effective, more than one official would need to be in on it, meaning it's a conspiracy. And I don't buy any conspiracy theory.

Even so, it was an egregious miss.

Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."