GB @ DALLAS Sunday Night Showdown

[DoURant]

Belton and Tom will not play on Sunday, too many OL injuries. I hope what we have left can play wrll enough, and help the offense score enough points to help the Defense out.

 

[milani]

Belton and Tom will not play on Sunday, too many OL injuries. I hope what we have left can play wrll enough, and help the offense score enough points to help the Defense out.

The Defense has to do it for us. When in the last 15 years would I be saying that? We have to win a low scoring battle.

 

[Zartan]

Belton and Tom will not play on Sunday, too many OL injuries. I hope what we have left can play wrll enough, and help the offense score enough points to help the Defense out.

The Oline is a mess. I hope Jordan Morgan bounces back and doesn't become an liability.

 

[OldSchool101]

The Oline is a mess. I hope Jordan Morgan bounces back and doesn't become a liability.

I really believe a part of our dysfunctional play at Cleveland was attributed to bouncing guys around. In addition last week we had Tom and Banks eating all the 1st team reps and neither were around by Halftime. It’s a big disadvantage switching multiple OL in the beginning of a game.
I see Kinnard as a slightly above average Run Blocker and a slightly below average Pass protector. My gut says he’s going to be ok.

The issue with Morgan (and MLF alluded to this) is he’s being yanked around positionally. They’ve given him too many hats imo. If they keep him at LG I really think he’ll play around average. Last week was somewhat of an anomoly imo. Playing a Top 3-5 area overall Defense which has their strength in the front 7. Dallas isn’t a Top 5 defense. They might simulate that for a series or even a Qtr, but you don’t fix bad overnight.

Also where we lost our best WR (Reed) Dallas lost theirs also (CeeDee).
Plus RG, Tyler Booker is out and him gone is like us losing Zach Tom. It’s really evened the score imo. Very, very rare you hold Josh to 2 yard per carry, that won’t happen again at Dallas.

 

[rmontro]

I was hoping to destroy Dallas this week, but it doesn't sound like it's in the cards. Maybe Micah has some insight into them that we can use. It would be tremendously disappointing to go into the bye at 2-2 after the start we had.

 

[weeds]

Great, insightful breakdown. I'm bookmarking it. Not at all because I want to throw i back in your face if it goes otherwise, but to go back and reference it afterward if you're right.

...sure...sure.... heard it all before. Talk to the hand, brother.

 

[weeds]

The Cowbags are going to be a handful. The Pack's OL issues are going to be a problem even with Elberfluss (or however it's spelled) as D.C. Unless the 'bags LB's and DB's are completely incompetent, allowing the Pack to win over the top, I see our offensive woes continuing this week. The 'bags saw what Cleveland did and they're coming after #10 full bore and he'll continue over-throwing and/or burying short passes. I don't see Matt holding in TE's to help that OL neither.

Then, there's the intangibles. Schottenheimer hammering the 'bags with the Pack's recent domination in Dallas, those guys are going to be ready to play particularly with the whole media world telling them that they're two levels below dogsh*t without Parsons... all things being equal, my expectations are tempered.

 

[rmontro]

The Cowbags are going to be a handful. The Pack's OL issues are going to be a problem even with Elberfluss (or however it's spelled) as D.C. Unless the 'bags LB's and DB's are completely incompetent, allowing the Pack to win over the top, I see our offensive woes continuing this week. The 'bags saw what Cleveland did and they're coming after #10 full bore and he'll continue over-throwing and/or burying short passes. I don't see Matt holding in TE's to help that OL neither.

Then, there's the intangibles. Schottenheimer hammering the 'bags with the Pack's recent domination in Dallas, those guys are going to be ready to play particularly with the whole media world telling them that they're two levels below dogsh*t without Parsons... all things being equal, my expectations are tempered.

I'm getting more concerned about this game as the week goes on. Especially with our OL issues.

 

[DoURant]

Going into a game with tempered expectations, is better for your sanity. As the saying goes in the NFL, any given Sunday. All teams are professionals and can beat any other team, given the right circumstances, and having injuries at crucial spots are a huge determing factor in a games outcome. All you try to do is stack wins, because you will undoubtedly have a bad loss somewhere, (Cleveland) along with a win when you thought maybe you wouldn't (Detroit). We are 2-1, if those two games had opposite outcomes. Our fan base would be felling completely different. What is past, is past, move on to the next game and go 1-0 this week, it doesn't matter how you get one, or by how much, a win counts the same whether it's by 1pt or 35pts. Go Pack Go!

 

[OldSchool101]

Sometimes a good humbling is just what we need. Imo it’s harder when you’re undefeated because you get a target on your back. Cleveland celebrated like it was a Playoff Win. That’s because it’s no secret how good GB is. They just beat us last second because we beat ourselves with flags. Reduce that # flags to 1/2 (7 area). That’s a GB win

 

[rmontro]

Sometimes a good humbling is just what we need. Imo it’s harder when you’re undefeated because you get a target on your back. Cleveland celebrated like it was a Playoff Win. That’s because it’s no secret how good GB is. They just beat us last second because we beat ourselves with flags. Reduce that # flags to 1/2 (7 area). That’s a GB win

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. I get your point though.

 

[Voyageur]

believe it or not, I feel a lot more comfortable about winning this one than I did about going into Cleveland. the vibes being sent by the Packers going into the Browns game was bordering on a bit cocky and full of themselves. Like Old School said, sometimes we all need to be humbled. It can pay dividends down the road.

 

[milani]

I was hoping to destroy Dallas this week, but it doesn't sound like it's in the cards. Maybe Micah has some insight into them that we can use. It would be tremendously disappointing to go into the bye at 2-2 after the start we had.

Yes. I would have bet on the 2 losses being in WKS 1-2 instead of 3-4.

 

[OldSchool101]

believe it or not, I feel a lot more comfortable about winning this one than I did about going into Cleveland. the vibes being sent by the Packers going into the Browns game was bordering on a bit cocky and full of themselves. Like Old School said, sometimes we all need to be humbled. It can pay dividends down the road.

Yeah. I just think sometimes we’re going in to a contest while living in a glass house. It just takes a drop and things get messy. Get it behind you.

I’d be more concerned had we lost by 2-scores. Great Football Teams get beat in OT or a walk off type situations all the time. That’s why you gotta play to win for 60 minutes.

That said, When I look at that last INT that Love threw, Wicks tangled with a Defender at about the 4+ yard mark and that contact appeared to take him like 2-3 yards deeper than the ball was thrown. In doing so he lost his inside position. That was an anticipated throw. Now Love will take the blame there and that’s admirable. QB’s (other than Aaron Rodgers) mostly take the blame.
Love takes all the heat, but Wicks has to understand where the marker is and the angle to get to the marker as quickly as possible. I don’t need 7 yards I don’t need 17 yards and I don’t need 37 yards. I need 3.5 yards here. No play design against that team would’ve been a 7 yard throw and I’m near positive on that.

That’s Love INT is the 1 scenario where a 1st down is Equivalent of several points and there’s really no reason to risk throwing a 7 yard mark, 11 yard or 14 yard throw. In that situation 3 yards has the exact same impact.

Moving the Clock is equivalent of
points and the shorter the route the higher the conversion rate. Conversely, The longer the play develops the greater chance for error and particularly for any HC that watched 4 Qtrs of Love being assaulted. You needed a bang bang quick 3.5 yards and not an inch more. I have no idea why Wicks is just getting his head around at 6+ looking for a 7+ play. Totally unnecessary.

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[weeds]

I hope the Pack make me stay up to watch the entire game. So I'm predicting a Packer 1 point win in the waning seconds.

 

[weeds]

Now Love will take the blame there and that’s admirable. QB’s (other than Aaron Rodgers) mostly take the blame.
Love takes all the heat, but Wicks has to understand where the marker is and the angle to get to the marker as quickly as possible.

LaFleur said it was a "bad call so that's on me". Yeah ... you know, if enough people take the blame who do you "coach up"? Wicks not making a clean break? Love's tendency toward inaccuracy? LaFleur's situational play call?

I tend to put the blame on the Browns' defense making a play. They did so all afternoon but all three of the above plus the Browns' mucking up the gearworks - I'm maintaining that the Pack got "Schwartz'd" last Sunday.

 

[OldSchool101]

LaFleur said it was a "bad call so that's on me". Yeah ... you know, if enough people take the blame who do you "coach up"? Wicks not making a clean break? Love's tendency toward inaccuracy? LaFleur's situational play call?

I tend to put the blame on the Browns' defense making a play. They did so all afternoon but all three of the above plus the Browns' mucking up the gearworks - I'm maintaining that the Pack got "Schwartz'd" last Sunday.

Yes. I’d offer to just keep in mind forming a solution to correct a mishap is not condemnation of the Browns. Yiu didn’t say that but I’ve noticed posters who spin it. If anything? My merely speaking of formulating s correction is a compliment because it’s an 200% admonition that Cleveland won on that play. However correct me but we can’t change what the Browns do next time. We can change what GB does. Run a tighter 4 yard route inside and don’t give up inside leverage or put our QB in a compromising position, which is exactly what Dontavion did there. I’m a fan from days at UVA, but his route was soft.

I’ll say this much. Our WR were largely running around all day like they were in their sleep. I saw film review that showed this and it wasn’t by a Packers fan and my eyes don’t lie. Have a sense of urgency when your QB is getting mauled. There’s this thing called separation through improvisation. Great WR have that gear. Help your QB out once in awhile. This isn’t route tree robot. Matt and Jordan get a minus also. Our WR’s could’ve also played much better, it looked stale and rehearsed.

 

[Voyageur]

When you put it all together, it makes me wonder how much predictability came into play on that INT. To end up with triple coverage in that particular zone seems really remote under normal circumstances. Why would there be three defenders and only one receiver, when there are receivers spread all over the field.

It makes me think that maybe there's a "tell" in LeFleur's play selections that indicated that there was a high probability that was where the pass was going to be thrown based on the specific receiver. These things happen. For as long as I can remember, LeFleur is a repeater. Not necessarily the specific play but getting the ball in the hands of the same person in repeated plays until they get stopped. If you watch, this happens in both running and passing plays. Obviously opposing coaches see this too, and gauge their coverages to match his predictability factors.

Just a thought based on all the critiques of the play everyone is offering. It gives me food for thought.

 

[Zartan]

Hopefully The Pack come out swinging. The Lions beating The Browns not making me feel all that great right now TBH.

 

[Cornelius Weems]

Hopefully The Pack come out swinging. The Lions beating The Browns not making me feel all that great right now TBH.

It may have been at home, but Detroit was never in trouble of losing that game and easily looked like the better team. I will look at last week as a bad road game. I don't see the defense playing bad today (especially with no Ceedee) so the offense needs to get right. The offense is not playing like they were last year and there was some hiccups then. I hope Jacobs goes off and I hope we put a 30 spot on them.

On another note, mods are posting here, so is this going to be merged with the official game thread?

 

[milani]

Hopefully The Pack come out swinging. The Lions beating The Browns not making me feel all that great right now TBH.

Browns are a bad team. And they were a bad team last week that we let off the hook. Lions were not about to get pushed around by them especially after seeing what we did.

 

[El Guapo]

Oooph…a tie

 

[Heyjoe4]

The Oline is a mess. I hope Jordan Morgan bounces back and doesn't become an liability.

He is still getting too many penalties imo. Of course, that's true of the team.

 

[milani]

He is still getting too many penalties imo. Of course, that's true of the team.

Although we cut it down from 12 to 7 in 5 quarters last night. Dallas had even more.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Although we cut it down from 12 to 7 in 5 quarters last night. Dallas had even more.

Thanks - well that's an improvement. It's still very early in his career, but Morgan hasn't done anything to impress me. Then again, you mostly hear about the OL guys when they mess up. Belton seems to show more promise.

I'm still pulling for Morgan. It probably hasn't helped that the Packers never assigned him to just one or two positions. He is atypical of the Packer OL in the low number of positions he plays. Nothing wrong with that. I think he would play better if he was consistently used at LT or LG.