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[Anubis]

We may have been #1 against the pass but that's artificial too given that teams did not have to throw against us because they always jumped out to big leads.

Which teams "jumped out to big leads"? We lost the majority of our games by 3 points or less, and our offense was in a downward spiral.

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

 

[Anubis]

The defense did improve, but they were still only about average, while the offense sucked and the team finished 4-12.

Can someone please explain to me how they figure a defense ranked #7 overall is considered "average"??? Last time I checked, there were 32 teams in the league, not 14. :roll:

The logic of some of the posters to this forum is completely beyond my comprehension.

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

 

[gopackgo4]

Well dont get me wrong the defense was much better last year, but we did lose a couple of games for us.

 

[Zero2Cool]

Who is saying TT is responsable for the improvement on defense? I missed that comment.

Last year everyone was calling TT a moron for not signing big name Free Agents on our defense.

How did our defense fair?

the most important hire he made was a coach, bates.

now we have bates jr, who worked with bates for more than 4 years(i wanna say 7, but im durnk, and dont wanna say something too silly)..

lets hope TTs coach hiring practices are still on the mark with MM and our old *** ST coach

Does any of this strike a BELL for you?

Ding ding... Ding ding... Ding ding... Ding ding... Ding ding...

 

[Anubis]

Ding ding... Ding ding... Ding ding... Ding ding... Ding ding...

Fries are done!

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

 

[longtimefan]

The defense did improve, but they were still only about average, while the offense sucked and the team finished 4-12.

Can someone please explain to me how they figure a defense ranked #7 overall is considered "average"??? Last time I checked, there were 32 teams in the league, not 14. :roll:

The logic of some of the posters to this forum is completely beyond my comprehension.

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

From Zeros post..

Defensive
7th Overall Above average

23rd Rushing Below Average

1st Passing ===They gave up 22 tds in the air and ranked 22nd in that stat, so that is below average..Worse for that was 33 and best was 10..Pure yards from passing #1, so that is above average..But New Orleans was #3 there, so what does that tell you??

19th Points..Since 16 would be average 19th is below average

tied for 29th by four teams in Turnovers..Below average

8th in rushing tds allowed, above average

15th is average rushing yards per carry...Above average only by 1

We have 4 below average, and 4 above average..( IMO the passing yards shouldnt be used,cuz of the opps rushing more to hold the lead)

They did a ton better then I had hoped, but that #7 ranking is slightly off...

Time of position was not bad under 30 mins, 3rd down % was around 36%

 

[Anubis]

They did a ton better then I had hoped, but that #7 ranking is slightly off...

The #7 stat comes stright from the NFL, so I am confused on how it could be off. Granted, I get the picture from the stats you posted (in relation to rankings), but that would seem to place us somewhere around #14 in Defense and not #7.

Can anyone explain further??? I am still confused... :shrug:

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

 

[retiredgrampa]

I am going to risk being called a one note singer, but I feel TT is going to rely on three of the guys on the team now to fill the three weak spots in the inner OL. We all HOPE they can do it BUT (and this is my one note tune) those three positions are extremely important to a good running game and frankly I don't trust guys like Coston, White, Whittaker (who had big troubles last year), Klemm, who was close to a disaster last year, and Wells, who couldn't handle the big DTs last year,....to suddenly bloom into great players because of a different (?) blocking scheme. If that "zone" scheme was so great, ALL teams would use it. The zone blocking scheme only works well when you have exactly the right type of athlete to master it. Are we to "assume" that, miraculously, we have those guys? What a stroke of luck! All I'm saying (with too many words) is that...we need to sign/ draft solid guards to shore up this joke of a line. If we don't, we're trusting to luck, a losing proposition.

 

[Anubis]

:agree:

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

 

[4thand26]

I believe that the NFL Defense ranking is based upon Yards given up. A very strange way to rank things since yards does not equal points. There are several good system for ranking defenses out there. They take into account different things like third down conversions and other key stats. If you look at just QB ratings that the Packers (and my Bears) had to face, you would see that they did not play much competition, which should also factor into it.

 

[longtimefan]

They did a ton better then I had hoped, but that #7 ranking is slightly off...

The #7 stat comes stright from the NFL, so I am confused on how it could be off. Granted, I get the picture from the stats you posted (in relation to rankings), but that would seem to place us somewhere around #14 in Defense and not #7.

Can anyone explain further??? I am still confused... :shrug:

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

Yes the # 7 ranking is from the NFL, I meant it is slightly off, because it is ONLY BASED ON YARDS GIVEN UP...

1st downs per game, plays per game, 3rd down %, time of pos the , rushing tds, yards per rush and yards per catch...Pack are up there in the the top ten, or top 15..

But when you start to look at points allowed, turnovers, passing tds allowed, you see they are in bottom half, and I consider those being more important when trying to figure out how good the D was...

I.E TDs allowed per game, the top 5 all had given up less than 26 all season ( if you take out the tds that came from a int return or fumble return, cuz that is not the D fault) GB gave up 32 tds all season. That was with GB D on the field LESS then the leaders in that stat..

 

[Obi1]

They did a ton better then I had hoped, but that #7 ranking is slightly off...

The #7 stat comes stright from the NFL, so I am confused on how it could be off. Granted, I get the picture from the stats you posted (in relation to rankings), but that would seem to place us somewhere around #14 in Defense and not #7.

Can anyone explain further??? I am still confused... :shrug:

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

Yes the # 7 ranking is from the NFL, I meant it is slightly off, because it is ONLY BASED ON YARDS GIVEN UP...

1st downs per game, plays per game, 3rd down %, time of pos the , rushing tds, yards per rush and yards per catch...Pack are up there in the the top ten, or top 15..

But when you start to look at points allowed, turnovers, passing tds allowed, you see they are in bottom half, and I consider those being more important when trying to figure out how good the D was...

I.E TDs allowed per game, the top 5 all had given up less than 26 all season ( if you take out the tds that came from a int return or fumble return, cuz that is not the D fault) GB gave up 32 tds all season. That was with GB D on the field LESS then the leaders in that stat..

Longtimefan,

I think your interpretation of the stats is also a bit off.

The NFL doesn't adjust their statistics annually so the stats are what they are... They tell the story of how the team fared.

How it is interpreted is what determines whether the team was successful or not.

For example, many of the TD passes came right after a Brett Favre Interception in Packer territory. A pass that would have otherwise may be gotten the opposing team a firstdown is now a TD because they are deep in Packer territory to begin with...

Packer defense was a WHOLE lot better than that of 2 or 3 years ago. Had the 2003 or 2004 Packers had the 2005 defense, they would have been scary!

 

[Buckeyepackfan]

frankly I don't trust guys like Coston, White, Whittaker (who had big troubles last year), Klemm, who was close to a disaster last year, and Wells, who couldn't handle the big DTs last year,....to suddenly bloom into great players because of a different (?) blocking scheme. If that "zone" scheme was so great, ALL teams would use it. The zone blocking scheme only works well when you have exactly the right type of athlete to master it. Are we to "assume" that, miraculously, we have those guys?



:agree:

I would hope to see improvement from these players because they do have another year under their belt, but with a new coach and a new system how much can you expect, I am still hoping for at least one FA OG to be signed that has the experience and can bring some leadership.

 

[longtimefan]

They did a ton better then I had hoped, but that #7 ranking is slightly off...

The #7 stat comes stright from the NFL, so I am confused on how it could be off. Granted, I get the picture from the stats you posted (in relation to rankings), but that would seem to place us somewhere around #14 in Defense and not #7.

Can anyone explain further??? I am still confused... :shrug:

GO PACK!!!

Robert C. Hedley

Yes the # 7 ranking is from the NFL, I meant it is slightly off, because it is ONLY BASED ON YARDS GIVEN UP...

1st downs per game, plays per game, 3rd down %, time of pos the , rushing tds, yards per rush and yards per catch...Pack are up there in the the top ten, or top 15..

But when you start to look at points allowed, turnovers, passing tds allowed, you see they are in bottom half, and I consider those being more important when trying to figure out how good the D was...

I.E TDs allowed per game, the top 5 all had given up less than 26 all season ( if you take out the tds that came from a int return or fumble return, cuz that is not the D fault) GB gave up 32 tds all season. That was with GB D on the field LESS then the leaders in that stat..

Longtimefan,

I think your interpretation of the stats is also a bit off.

The NFL doesn't adjust their statistics annually so the stats are what they are... They tell the story of how the team fared.

How it is interpreted is what determines whether the team was successful or not.

For example, many of the TD passes came right after a Brett Favre Interception in Packer territory. A pass that would have otherwise may be gotten the opposing team a firstdown is now a TD because they are deep in Packer territory to begin with...

Packer defense was a WHOLE lot better than that of 2 or 3 years ago. Had the 2003 or 2004 Packers had the 2005 defense, they would have been scary!

I never said they didnt improve, in fact one of my posts I said they did TONS better then I expected..I am just pointing out that the #7 stat is scewed somewhat...