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Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Yared-Yam, Aug 26, 2006.

  1. Yared-Yam

    Yared-Yam Cheesehead

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    So the Packers coaching staff ranks dead last apparently. At least in the eyes of Fox.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5896698

    32. Green Bay

    Mike McCarthy, previously the offensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers, replaces fired coach Mike Sherman. He's a curious choice, to say the least, given that our Football Outsiders stats show that the 49ers had not just the worst offense in the league last year but one of the worst offenses the league has ever seen.

    The biggest misconception about McCarthy is that his background is in the same West Coast Offense that the Packers have run throughout the career of quarterback Brett Favre. In reality, McCarthy got his start in the NFL as an assistant to Marty Schottenheimer in Kansas City, where he coached a conservative, run-first offense. Before that, McCarthy was an assistant to Paul Hackett (the former Jets offensive coordinator who was often criticized for conservative play-calling) at the University of Pittsburgh. McCarthy did spend one year as Favre's quarterbacks coach. That isn't necessarily a good thing for Packers fans, though. The year McCarthy spent in Green Bay was 1999, when the talented Packers finished a disappointing 8-8 and Favre had one of his worst seasons with 23 interceptions and a career-low 57.3 completion percentage.

    The NFC North's defensive linemen won't like new offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski. Jagodzinski was the offensive line coach in Atlanta last season, working alongside offensive line consultant Alex Gibbs, the man who developed the zone-blocking schemes that the Denver Broncos used to win two Super Bowls.

    Many defensive linemen have said Gibbs teaches dirty play, but the Gibbs system is spreading across the league because it works. Quarterbacks coach Tom Clements spent 12 seasons as a quarterback in the Canadian Football League, and he still favors that type of wide-open style. That might not make him a great fit for Brett Favre, who needs someone to rein him in. Instead of completely overhauling the coaching staff, McCarthy decided to keep Bob Sanders and promote him from defensive ends coach to defensive coordinator.

    Sanders, a Steve Spurrier confidant who served as a defensive coordinator for Spurrier both at Duke and at Florida, believes in a defense that gets most of its pass rush from the line instead of from blitzing linebackers. That makes him a good fit for a team that has Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila and Aaron Kampman in place.
     
  2. Canadian packer

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    I almost have to agree with the comments... It was odd TT picked Mike McCarthy to be the head coach. Thats why he makes the big bucks and big choices
     
  3. Popcynical

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    He's never won a game as a head coach.. so it's not like you can rank him higher.
     
  4. porky88

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    Rankings will change daily. These mean about as much as the current NFL Power rankings do.
     
  5. Lare

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    Every HC is a first-year HC at some point in their career, so it remains to be seen if MM is truly head coaching material. Unfortunately for him, he's been saddled with an extremely young, inexperienced team that has marginal talent at several positions. Not usually a recipe for success.

    MM will be doing well to keep all his players and assistant coaches on an even keel as they experience the inevitable ups and downs of this season. If there ends up being more ups than downs, IMO McCarthy will deserve much of the credit.
     
  6. billv

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    They don't mention how good the Saints and Aaron Brooks played when he was the offensive coordinator in New Orleans.
     
  7. vikesrule

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    Obviously, I am not a packer fan. But you can't place too much credence in polls or analysis by F.O. After all they have climbed into bed with FOX.
    And we all know that the credibility of the FOX Network is suspect to say the least.
    Remember, these are the same group of people that still think that Dubya is a genius.
    :doh:
     
  8. thetombradyhater

    thetombradyhater Cheesehead

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    Wooooooohoooooooooo last! :beersign: :beersign: :gobble: :gobble: :moo: :moo: :tables: :tables:
     
  9. kmac

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    It actually does make sense. I mean, come on, did any of you guys watch the 49ers last year? When the hiring was first announced I was pretty pissed.
     
  10. PackFanInSC

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    At least, when you are picked to be last, the only thing you can do is exceed expectations!!
     
  11. Anubis

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    Tell me about it. TT let Bates walk (who seemed to have a handle on coaching Miami in the interim before the Nicktator was hired), and brings in the guy who was OC of the 32nd worst offense in the league in 2005. You could say I was pretty pissed at the time. I guess we'll find out soon enough if this was the right decision.

    GO PACK!!!

    Robert C. Hedley
     
  12. thetombradyhater

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    True, I hated the move of signing McCarth but I promised myself I'd give him a chance before bashing him, but somebodys bond to have a worse staff then us. Maybe 49ers? maybe the raiders who have coaches that haven't coached in 10+ years
     
  13. BoydAvery

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    The only consolation is that MM has to be better than Mike Sherman. After Sherman as HC the only way to go is up.
     
  14. thetombradyhater

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    I don't understand why people think MS was such a bad HC. He wasn't. He should have never been the GM but how can you say an ex OC that coached a team was last in total offense last year is better than a head coach with 57 wins as a head coach and led us to 3 divison titles and 4 playoff appearance?
     
  15. BoydAvery

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    MM is just starting out, let's give him 6 years as HC then we can copmpare.
     
  16. thetombradyhater

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    exactly so how can you say he is better than MS? MS right now is a better coach then MM, maybe not in 6 years but right now MM has nothing on MS except his old job
     
  17. BoydAvery

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    MS had his shot and F-A-I-L-E-D! By Mike!
     
  18. thetombradyhater

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    personally I don't consider MS a failure, I am satisfied with 4 playoff appearances in 6 years especiall living in Western New York where the Bills haven't made the playoffs since they were beastly in the early 90's
     
  19. porky88

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    I agree with this. Sherman was a solid Head Coach but when it came to being a GM, I don't think he could handle it. Maybe it was doing the 2 at the sametime and it was just too much for him.

    McCarthy had nothing to work with in SF last year. Everyone looks at that but they fail to mention he was the coordinator for the Saints for 4 years and had them in the top 10 in total yards for all 4.

    I rather of had Bates anyday but McCarthy got hired and now you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
     
  20. pyledriver80

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    MM will never get more wins than MS did in those 6 years!
     
  21. BoydAvery

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    It won't matter if MM gets the Packers to the Super Bowl.
     
  22. thetombradyhater

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    who says he's going to?
     
  23. Cdnfavrefan

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    I was hoping Bates would get the job but who knows maybe he's best just coaching defence which I think he's one of the best at. I also think it's not as much how good the coach is but how good the coach is for the team. MM might be a failure on a team like SF but if he can work with a MVP like Favre and have the gift of getting the best out of him then he's a good fit. Just like some coaches are great at turning young lousy teams into contenders but when they get a contender they can't improve them anymore. I think all that matters is how well he fits so rankings don't bother me much
     
  24. PackwillBEback

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    Wait this makes no sense there hasn't been one ******* game played and they are making predictions. I hope FoxSports gets blown up...with their people inside for making coach rankings before the season even starts.
     
  25. Cdnfavrefan

    Cdnfavrefan Cheesehead

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    They got to have something to write. At least before the season starts they can't be turned into fools cause they can't be proved wrong
     

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