Christian Watson signs a 4 year 110m extension

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Wow, I had no idea the cap hit for Clark was so big. I thought trading him would have lowered that, but it all depends on what was part of the trade deal, or not.
Gute was rolling the dice here. Getting Micah could have likely meant a SB appearance if everything else went as planned in 2026. But the best laid plans of mice and Gute do not always prevail.
 

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Absolutely disagree that his only advantage is his 3rd year. His main advantage is the fact not a single Packer on the team is a better blocker out of the backfield than him...if I was in charge of making his madden ratings the dude is borderline pedestrian in everything except blocking skills....dude is ELITE level there. That alone keeps him as a rosterable player in the NFL.
RBs who can truly block (not chip) are very valuable. Brooks also knows the playbook so I see no need to replace him. He'll still be a 3rd-down back, but he's worth a roster spot.

The bigger issue we've been chatting about more than a month is the question mark hanging over Jacobs, and whether Lloyd can overcome two non-years and be in the conversation as a #2, maybe a #1 RB.

There's been no movement with Jacobs' situation, he hasn't been charged. And the NFL can and probably will suspend him even if no charges are filed.

Messy situation and not much can be done, for now, to address it. But it will be addressed.
 

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Gute was rolling the dice here. Getting Micah could have likely meant a SB appearance if everything else went as planned in 2026. But the best laid plans of mice and Gute do not always prevail.
Hate using injuries as an excuse, but last season was a disaster for the Packers. And I do think Gluten pulled the trigger on Parsons to make a serious run in the playoffs, maybe the SB. Sometimes, maybe most times, a decent team can go far if they stay healthy.
 

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We both on the same page though if Gute signed a veteran runnig back or low draft pick traded for one sounds like we'd both embrace most likely.
Agreed. It's too bad that capital has to be used to fix this - but it has to be fixed. Even if Jacobs isn't charged, the league will almost certainly suspend him at some point. Gotta have a backup plan for that.
 
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We both on the same page though if Gute signed a veteran runnig back or low draft pick traded for one sounds like we'd both embrace most likely.
I would’ve never bet on GB not drafting at TE AND RB. Especially after Fitz going down with a serious injury and Wilson allowed to leave. I really thought that spelled us addressing both or maybe even an Hback type in the Draft that could play either position in a pinch.
We addressed TE by signing Lachey. Yet we’re currently banking on Lloyd and as talented as he is, it’s a risky proposition.
 

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I would’ve never bet on GB not drafting at TE AND RB. Especially after Fitz going down with a serious injury and Wilson allowed to leave. I really thought that spelled us addressing both or maybe even an Hback type in the Draft that could play either position in a pinch.
We addressed TE by signing Lachey. Yet we’re currently banking on Lloyd and as talented as he is, it’s a risky proposition.

Nah we hit TE way before Lachey with the priority UDFA signing of RJ Maryland which is much more in the Fitz vein than inline unathletic Lachey. Lachey is a disciplined player but highly limited and not a great blocker - one or both of those guys likely wind up on PS but I still think RJ has a serious shot at the 53.
 

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Agreed. It's too bad that capital has to be used to fix this - but it has to be fixed. Even if Jacobs isn't charged, the league will almost certainly suspend him at some point. Gotta have a backup plan for that.

To be fair until the team feels Lloyd and Brooks cannot carry the banner behind Jacobs the team is no worse than last year when they had Jacobs / Wilson / Brooks - which IMO each is fully capable. Now the compounding factor is Lloyd's health and Brooks limited rushing threat is likely what has us with Pierre Strong and Martinez brought it as more competition and depth....but the team to me is signalling atleast right now they are not in the despearate mode on Jacobs situation or believe Lloyd is just a chronic injury guy.
 

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Agreed. It's too bad that capital has to be used to fix this - but it has to be fixed. Even if Jacobs isn't charged, the league will almost certainly suspend him at some point. Gotta have a backup plan for that.

If zero charges are filed, and zero creditable evidence exists the league will get easily counter sued and should by Jacobs and his camp if they hand out anything on him.
 

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If zero charges are filed, and zero creditable evidence exists the league will get easily counter sued and should by Jacobs and his camp if they hand out anything on him.
The league can and will suspend players without charges under personal conduct policy (and has plenty of times before). In fact the policy specifies that it doesn't require charges or a conviction to result in a suspension. Just in recent memory, Zeke Elliott got 6 games (never charged, appealed suspension and upheld multiple times)... former Packer Jarran Reed got 6 games (DV allegations, never charged nor arrested), Big Ben got 6 games (reduced to 4, no charges), etc...

Probably more worrisome however is the possibility of landing on the Commissioner's Exempt List. It's basically paid suspension; Jacobs would still get paid but would be ineligible to play or practice while the league investigates. And that can more or less be indefinite.

The league CBA also stipulates that players agree that the commissioner has the authority to impose discipline for any "conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football". In other words, the players' union agrees that the commissioner can punish you if you make the league look bad, and that's pretty much it. Doesn't need charges...so "credible evidence" is the operative bit there, but for the league that's a pretty low bar to clear. Even if the local DA decides there's not enough evidence to bring charges, if the league feels there's evidence that you did anything that reflects poorly on the league (as above), that's clearing their (and the NFLPA's) standard. It's not innocent until proven guilty or beyond a reasonable doubt or anything like that.

The key distinction though is that IF a player were to try and sue the league, the courts DO NOT care if the player was actually guilty or not of what he was originally accused of. All the courts will rule on is whether or not the league followed its own arbitration and appeal process as the CBA outlines it. If the league follows the CBA discipline process it doesn't matter if Jacobs did it or not. Take the examples of Ezekiel Elliott (as mentioned) or even Tom Brady in Deflategate. Both of them tried to file suits against the league...they felt their cases were not handled properly and the result suspensions were unfair, not following the proper processes/channels/etc.... and they both lost. The precedent set by the courts basically says they are just there to ensure the CBA is adhered to.

Anyways the long and short of it is that yes, Jacobs and his camp certainly could file suit, and they would perhaps be able to delay a suspension while the matter was being adjudicated, but at the end of the day they would almost certainly lose and his suspension would stand. On the plus side though the league has been pretty much silent on the matter so I dunno, maybe that's a good sign
 

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RBs who can truly block (not chip) are very valuable. Brooks also knows the playbook so I see no need to replace him. He'll still be a 3rd-down back, but he's worth a roster spot.

The bigger issue we've been chatting about more than a month is the question mark hanging over Jacobs, and whether Lloyd can overcome two non-years and be in the conversation as a #2, maybe a #1 RB.

There's been no movement with Jacobs' situation, he hasn't been charged. And the NFL can and probably will suspend him even if no charges are filed.

Messy situation and not much can be done, for now, to address it. But it will be addressed.
Even if Lloyd miraculously can become an every down back he has SO much to learn. He is basically a rookie again. So he will make mistakes. He cannot possibly be as versatile or skillful as Jacobs in just his first season.
 

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To be fair until the team feels Lloyd and Brooks cannot carry the banner behind Jacobs the team is no worse than last year when they had Jacobs / Wilson / Brooks - which IMO each is fully capable. Now the compounding factor is Lloyd's health and Brooks limited rushing threat is likely what has us with Pierre Strong and Martinez brought it as more competition and depth....but the team to me is signalling atleast right now they are not in the despearate mode on Jacobs situation or believe Lloyd is just a chronic injury guy.
Agree with you that the team doesn't seen concerned about the RB situation. They know more than we do, and even if they have to add a RB, that can be addressed during cutdowns.
 

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Even if Lloyd miraculously can become an every down back he has SO much to learn. He is basically a rookie again. So he will make mistakes. He cannot possibly be as versatile or skillful as Jacobs in just his first season.
Agreed on Lloyd - even at 100%, he's a rookie. There's a chance he comes in, stays healthy, and shines at RB. I just wouldn't bet on it.
 

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The league can and will suspend players without charges under personal conduct policy (and has plenty of times before). In fact the policy specifies that it doesn't require charges or a conviction to result in a suspension. Just in recent memory, Zeke Elliott got 6 games (never charged, appealed suspension and upheld multiple times)... former Packer Jarran Reed got 6 games (DV allegations, never charged nor arrested), Big Ben got 6 games (reduced to 4, no charges), etc...

Probably more worrisome however is the possibility of landing on the Commissioner's Exempt List. It's basically paid suspension; Jacobs would still get paid but would be ineligible to play or practice while the league investigates. And that can more or less be indefinite.

The league CBA also stipulates that players agree that the commissioner has the authority to impose discipline for any "conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football". In other words, the players' union agrees that the commissioner can punish you if you make the league look bad, and that's pretty much it. Doesn't need charges...so "credible evidence" is the operative bit there, but for the league that's a pretty low bar to clear. Even if the local DA decides there's not enough evidence to bring charges, if the league feels there's evidence that you did anything that reflects poorly on the league (as above), that's clearing their (and the NFLPA's) standard. It's not innocent until proven guilty or beyond a reasonable doubt or anything like that.

The key distinction though is that IF a player were to try and sue the league, the courts DO NOT care if the player was actually guilty or not of what he was originally accused of. All the courts will rule on is whether or not the league followed its own arbitration and appeal process as the CBA outlines it. If the league follows the CBA discipline process it doesn't matter if Jacobs did it or not. Take the examples of Ezekiel Elliott (as mentioned) or even Tom Brady in Deflategate. Both of them tried to file suits against the league...they felt their cases were not handled properly and the result suspensions were unfair, not following the proper processes/channels/etc.... and they both lost. The precedent set by the courts basically says they are just there to ensure the CBA is adhered to.

Anyways the long and short of it is that yes, Jacobs and his camp certainly could file suit, and they would perhaps be able to delay a suspension while the matter was being adjudicated, but at the end of the day they would almost certainly lose and his suspension would stand. On the plus side though the league has been pretty much silent on the matter so I dunno, maybe that's a good sign
Well said. The CBA gives the league almost unlimited power in penalizing a player. Suing the league for a suspension over domestic violence charges isn't going to go far. The league has to protect its image, and DV allegations are the most damaging of all, and rightfully so - well short of murder. As you note, it's right there in the CBA.
 

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Even if Lloyd miraculously can become an every down back he has SO much to learn. He is basically a rookie again. So he will make mistakes. He cannot possibly be as versatile or skillful as Jacobs in just his first season.

I would push a touch back, but only from the sense of Lloyd is not a pure raw rookie in the normal sense. He’s been around the Packers now two years, practicing, film studying all of that…so while NOTHING replaces the baptism by live fire moments he hasn’t had, there is a ton he has experienced and learned that a normal raw rookie doesn’t know.
 
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Agreed on Lloyd - even at 100%, he's a rookie. There's a chance he comes in, stays healthy, and shines at RB. I just wouldn't bet on it.
I’m convinced his entire story hinges on health. If he’s on that field he’s an immediate 2nd best behind Josh imo. When I review his film, he’s a big play ready to happen. In limited time at USC, he tore up Defenses catching the ball. His 13.3 yards career per reception for a RB in college is almost unheard of. Jeremiah Love posted a very good 9.4 yards per reception that’s just an example. Alvin Kamara had a strong 9.2 out of Tennessee. We got a glimmer of how he does that in his big time catch last year. He’s just dynamic. Very few RB’s post those receiving numbers in a Power 4 program.

Again, as you said, none of it matters if he can’t stay on the field. If he’s on that field him and Josh are instantly in conversation for the better list of 1-2 punches. Lloyd would be an ideal RB2 behind Jacobs. Let’s just hope that dream doesn’t fizzle before it ever comes to fruition
 
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