Watson - 1 year extension

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To pretend that spending money from a pot isn’t an influence of things just as much as the players age and performance which you presented as reasons seems a little short sighted no?
Nevertheless, I'm very glad to have Parsons. I hope they can work something out so as not to destroy the team in the future. I think I'll just enjoy thus year right now though.
 

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I think Doubs plays himself right out of GB. He’s going to be a Top 3 fed Receiver earlier which will boost his production and future stock. Let’s just say conservatively Doubs logged 650 yards and 5 TD’s. He’ll probably get a $13/yr offer outside of GB and we can’t keep matching or beating those. It’ll likely be a higher contract offer though imo.
At the risk of sounding like a broken or scratched record... :laugh:

I've mentioned a number of times since 2023 that this was going to be an inevitable step in the progression of our receiver corps over the 3-5 years after that 2023 "gold strike", when we were suddenly drowning in good-very good passcatchers - A), we weren't going to be able to keep them all more than a couple-few years, B) within as few as 2 years we were going to have to start making decisions on who to pay down the road and who to let move on over the following year or two, and C) how to manage those transitions. If I saw that coming in October/November of 23, I'd be horrified to learn that Gutekunst and company have not thought of it too.

We've talked a lot here about who would be the first ones to move on, and Romeo's name has come up a lot. I've really thought that 2025 would be the first year we'd be likely to move someone in a trade, and I still think this is the year we are most likely to do that. And it seems that Doubs is the most likely to be on the market. As Golden develops, and Watson recovers and gets back into the groove, the smart move for Gutekunst might be to get a 3rd rounder for him in the stretch run from a team who feels they have a shot.

Or even Doubs plus swapping a 4th for a 6th and a Day Two pick. Gutekunst feasts on those mid-round picks. His greatest success has come from shrewd 2nd round choices and finding maximum value in Day Three picks. Picks from those rounds have (overall) contributed more to this roster than his Day One picks. If he can flip Doubs for a 3rd and a Day 3 swap, I'd be happy. I'm sure others will think this is crazy, and I won't take it personally, because they may be right.... just casting about here
 

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This is not Musgrave lol

Only knock on Watson is health, he is one of the most productive young receivers in the league when out there and field shifter.
But there is the rub. The kid is great but can't stay healthy. I hope this contract has incentive and production clauses in it.
 
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Nevertheless, I'm very glad to have Parsons. I hope they can work something out so as not to destroy the team in the future. I think I'll just enjoy thus year right now though.
Oh nothing I’m saying is to say I am not glad either, nor does it mean I wouldn’t have pulled the trigger if I was Gute either.
 
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But there is the rub. The kid is great but can't stay healthy. I hope this contract has incentive and production clauses in it.
I assume you think the Lions were crazy for signing Jameson Williams but x10 then?
 
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Ken Ingalls is now saying he’s been told six million applied to this year and five next year or so….cannot wait to see the actuals. If that is true that would be an even better deal and low risk.

This team could literally offensive tag Doubs, maybe pull a quay deal and run it back with essentially same core again outside of Sheed. IF they wanted to.
 
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Micah Parsons ensured that players like Elgton Jenkins, Romeo Doubs, Quay Walker, and others will not be able to stay because the Packers won't have enough cap space. It means even more that this is a do-it-now year with these players. Hopefully it motivates these guys to play their best for a FA contract, and it manifests into a championship trophy for Green Bay.
I’m not sure what you mean by this. When Kenny Clark was traded his cost was 50% of the Micah deal. We’re really talking about $21Mil area net difference.
Saying we can’t afford to sign those 3 players AND others? So that’s essentially saying those 3 players + others collectively will play for $21Mil? We both know that’s not happening.
 
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Ken Ingalls is now saying he’s been told six million applied to this year and five next year or so….cannot wait to see the actuals. If that is true that would be an even better deal and low risk.

This team could literally offensive tag Doubs, maybe pull a quay deal and run it back with essentially same core again outside of Sheed. IF they wanted to.
There’s some risk involved getting out in front of these contracts earlier, but if the players remain somewhat healthy this is a good way to give the players security and trim off a good amount of yearly $$ that we’d be paying in the near future.
 

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Although I thought it would never happen, I was told from a source that there is a chance Doubs will be traded about the time that Watson comes back from his injury. The Packers have been contacted about him, but the offers have not been to their liking. Essentially 4th round picks on down. If they can get a pick that would be in the top 10 of the 3rd round, they'd start to listen, but they're hoping his body of work between now and Watson's return will elevate that pick to an early 3rd, or possibly even a late 2nd round pick.

Their other concerns is the possibility of Wicks not being able to get back on the field effectively from his injury so that also plays into the equation. But there was an additional consideration. It's possible that Doubs will play himself into a position where he's the obvious #2 receiver and if that happens, trading Watson would also be an option. It all depends on Doubs stats from now until Watson returns and how well Watson looks as far as what he can handle on the field. Lots of variables still in play.

As for Doubs, I'm going to guess here, but he's an LA boy and I'd imagine he'd prefer playing somewhere closer to home. He grew up in a rough area of the city where gangs and gang violence is far above the national average. I think that tough area kind of rides with him in his quest to become the best he can be. I think he wants to make so much money that he can leave that entire area behind him and bring his entire family out of there with him.

He's probably the most driven player on the team. It isn't just a game to him; it's a vehicle to making a life that he only dreamed possible as a kid.
 

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I just can't see trading valuable members of the team this year for draft picks.
 

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I’m not sure what you mean by this. When Kenny Clark was traded his cost was 50% of the Micah deal. We’re really talking about $21Mil area net difference.
Saying we can’t afford to sign those 3 players AND others? So that’s essentially saying those 3 players + others collectively will play for $21Mil? We both know that’s not happening.
People have vastly been overstaying the effect Parsons is going to have on the cap the next few years.

Unless your looking at handing out 4 year deals (when the big cap hits come for Parsons) its not really prohibitive to anything we would be done otherwise. Hell our cap hit is like 10 million less next season with Parsons then if we hadn't traded for him and still had Clark
 
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I just can't see trading valuable members of the team this year for draft picks.

It's a double edged sword - the other side easily can argue I cannot see us losing a valuable player for nothing after this year.

Fact is the WR room is growing into a room that I think would be grossly mismanaged as a GM in roster building if you do not trade someone this year before the deadline or perhaps even next year depending on a lot of other variables (resignings, FA, draft...).
 

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I’m not sure what you mean by this. When Kenny Clark was traded his cost was 50% of the Micah deal. We’re really talking about $21Mil area net difference.
Saying we can’t afford to sign those 3 players AND others? So that’s essentially saying those 3 players + others collectively will play for $21Mil? We both know that’s not happening.
My point is that we might have been able to keep one, maybe two of those guys before. I don't think that we will have the cap to keep any of them now.
 

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Glad they signed Watson for another year. Not sure i understand the furor over Doubs. His best season was 96 targets and 674 yards. He’s kind of the text book example of an average WR. I think Packers fans overrate him because he’s really steady relative to the WR corp on the team. I don’t see another team giving up a 4th round pick for a mediocre receiver coming off a rookie deal and therefore won’t be cheap anymore.
 
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Glad they signed Watson for another year. Not sure i understand the furor over Doubs. His best season was 96 targets and 674 yards. He’s kind of the text book example of an average WR. I think Packers fans overrate him because he’s really steady relative to the WR corp on the team. I don’t see another team giving up a 4th round pick for a mediocre receiver coming off a rookie deal and therefore won’t be cheap anymore.

I don't know how folks cannot see the consistency Doubs has been despite being in an offense that doesn't force feed high volume targets. Let's just compare him to his own draft class and those who have got contracts...to see how the league sees similar age and production guys value wise.

In Doubs' class of WRs drafted current production -

Garrett Wilson got $130M/4yrs
Garrett Wilson - 286 Receptions | 3344 Yards | 15 TDs | 11.69 YPC
Romeo Doubs - 149 Receptions | 1768 Yards | 15 TDs | 11.86 YPC

Drake London got fifth year club option est. to be $16.8 Million
Drake London - 249 Receptions | 3097 Yards | 15 TDs | 12.44 YPC
Romeo Doubs - 149 Receptions | 1768 Yards | 15 TDs | 11.86 YPC

George Pickens - estimated to get similar deal to Wilson by many...
George Pickens - 177 Receptions | 2871 Yards | 12 TDs | 16.22 YPC
Romeo Doubs - 149 Receptions | 1768 Yards | 15 TDs | 11.86 YPC

Khalil Shakir got a $53M/4yr deal
Khalil Shakir - 131 Receptions | 1657 Yards | 7 TDs | 12.64 YPC
Romeo Doubs - 149 Receptions | 1768 Yards | 15 TDs | 11.86 YPC

Jameson Williams got $83M/4rs
Jameson Williams - 87 Receptions | 1419 Yards | 10 TDs | 16.31 YPC
Romeo Doubs - 149 Receptions | 1768 Yards | 15 TDs | 11.86 YPC

Now I'm not saying some aren't overvaluing Doubs, but to imagine a team parting with say a 3rd for Doubs and a 7th back isn't crazy for a guy that is seen as a $20M/yr+ type guy.
 
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Another interesting thing...heading into their fourth season these lines were some NOTABLE GB legends:

178 Recs | 2844 Yards | 24 TDS Greg Jennings
163 Recs | 1926 Yards | 17 TDS Davante Adams
100 Recs | 1268 Yards | 6 TDS Jordy Nelson
136 Recs | 1762 Yards | 13 TDS Randall Cobb
37 Recs | 530 Yards | 3 TDS Donald Driver
 

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I think Doubs is a good player, and I expect he will have some market but I don't anticipate teams exactly knocking down our doors with offers for him, either. On one hand, I would like to see him stay with us. On the other, I think he probably falls into that crop of guys that we probably tend to slightly overrate because he is already one of "our guys". If Doubs had been drafted to San Diego and had been putting up similar numbers I doubt any of us would be saying "We should trade an early day two pick for this Doubs guy!"

I think it is fair to say too that no team is viewing Doubs right now as a #1 WR and I'm not sure anyone really looks at him as having "#1 Potential". And I don't mean that as a dig, but just to question like...what's the trade market look like for a mid-range to possibly high-end #2? We heard it discussed ad nauseam with regards to Parsons how the cost was so steep not just because of the draft capital or salary commitments but the combination of both. So it's not just about contracts, but how much a team is willing to give up for the player AND give a market rate contract. Probably the first pertinent example I can think of is Pickens - Pickens and a 2027 6th for 2026 3rd and 2027 5th - and IMO that is probably the ceiling, best-case scenario for a Doubs trade. Like I said I do like him but if you asked neutral observers I suspect 9/10 would say Pickens is the better/more valuable player there
 

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Imo Doubs comes up big for us sometimes and for that reason is valuable to us during a Superbowl run.
 
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I think Doubs is a good player, and I expect he will have some market but I don't anticipate teams exactly knocking down our doors with offers for him, either. On one hand, I would like to see him stay with us. On the other, I think he probably falls into that crop of guys that we probably tend to slightly overrate because he is already one of "our guys". If Doubs had been drafted to San Diego and had been putting up similar numbers I doubt any of us would be saying "We should trade an early day two pick for this Doubs guy!"

I think it is fair to say too that no team is viewing Doubs right now as a #1 WR and I'm not sure anyone really looks at him as having "#1 Potential". And I don't mean that as a dig, but just to question like...what's the trade market look like for a mid-range to possibly high-end #2? We heard it discussed ad nauseam with regards to Parsons how the cost was so steep not just because of the draft capital or salary commitments but the combination of both. So it's not just about contracts, but how much a team is willing to give up for the player AND give a market rate contract. Probably the first pertinent example I can think of is Pickens - Pickens and a 2027 6th for 2026 3rd and 2027 5th - and IMO that is probably the ceiling, best-case scenario for a Doubs trade. Like I said I do like him but if you asked neutral observers I suspect 9/10 would say Pickens is the better/more valuable player there

Couple thoughts - why would GB given what we have need to trade for him? So of course the "we should trade an early day two pick for this Doubs guy" would only be reserved for fools.

Also, I don't believe the one take that has mentioned Green Bay is clamoring for a second rounder. I think getting a 3rd likely only happens if you give a 7th like pick back with him. His groove is likely a 2026 4th and maybe a late day 3 in 2027 also.

IF he was depicted as a #1 by the NFL/Market he would be a second rounder or first rounder target for trade....which no one, including the market rate for such a receiver of his age and production has proven to be worth.

I concur the most recent traded value to compare him to is the Pickens one, and I would say most fans would likely answer that Pickens is the better player, but I honestly don't know if I asked my NFL knowledgeable folks and scout friends would be more than 60/40 in favor of Pickens and likely suspect it would be very split down the middle.

I think anyone trying to unbiasedly review the situation or landscape has to acknowledge the biggest key is a team that sees a need evolve for a Wide alignment receiver that is still likely playing for a push to see the playoffs comes a calling. That team would have IMMENSE call for a Doubs type trade....and I would be shocked if a GM out there with that need wouldn't give up say a 2026 4th and a 2027 5th for Doubs and a 2026 6th type package
 
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Imo Doubs comes up big for us sometimes and for that reason is valuable to us during a Superbowl run.

I still don't necessarily think it is a lock this spells his time is done...with the connection he and Love seem to have for big plays, I wouldn't be shocked one bit if say a deal is announced that GB has extended Doubs with a $55M/4 year deal like Shakir type if they could get him too....and the shift is actually that Reed or Wicks or both will be playing their last games in 2026 and zero future money will be allocated their way.

To go down that road, fiscally we could do it, especially if we load up the time before Parsons bigger hits start.....doing this however might not just restrain us on Reed and Wicks but also Kraft...and that could be a no go for many and with reason. However, a world really could come to be where say we get to a SB but just miss....Gute and Co. could do an action like this, tag Quay and really almost run it back with the exact same personnel for one more year minus like Rasheed Walker/Enagbare
 

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Couple thoughts - why would GB given what we have need to trade for him? So of course the "we should trade an early day two pick for this Doubs guy" would only be reserved for fools.
What I mean is hypothetically - if we were on the "other side" of the trade. Let's pretend Doubs never came to Green Bay but was instead drafted somewhere elsewhere and was putting up identical numbers. How much would you want to give up in a trade for him and what sort of contract would you hand out?
We are well-positioned (IMO) with or without Doubs, but my point is that I think a lot of teams probably feel similarly honestly - they probably also like a lot of the guys they have and at this point aren't viewing Doubs as a must-add by any means. in other words, I would suggest that it seems like our "rating" or "valuation" of Doubs right now is probably higher than that of any prospective buyer, ya know?

And of course that is subject to change, but that seems to be what the evidence suggests at the moment. We reportedly have had a few offers but he's still here. If those offers were equal than or better to what we valued Doubs at, he would already be gone by now. So either a team with a big "need" will start to feel that need push them to up their offer, or we will have to lower our valuation to meet what other teams are willing to "pay" if he is going to move, because as it stands those two numbers just aren't lining up

But, like I said, I like Doubs and overall would like to see him stay. If we can work out the financials (a big IF) I think he is worth more here than we could get for him in return... But I guess the short of it that I am getting at is that if another team had "Domeo Roubs" playing for them right now, I don't think we would have as high of an evaluation of that guy if that makes sense :p
 
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What I mean is hypothetically - if we were on the "other side" of the trade. Let's pretend Doubs never came to Green Bay but was instead drafted somewhere elsewhere and was putting up identical numbers. How much would you want to give up in a trade for him and what sort of contract would you hand out?
We are well-positioned (IMO) with or without Doubs, but my point is that I think a lot of teams probably feel similarly honestly - they probably also like a lot of the guys they have and at this point aren't viewing Doubs as a must-add by any means. in other words, I would suggest that it seems like our "rating" or "valuation" of Doubs right now is probably higher than that of any prospective buyer, ya know?

And of course that is subject to change, but that seems to be what the evidence suggests at the moment. We reportedly have had a few offers but he's still here. If those offers were equal than or better to what we valued Doubs at, he would already be gone by now. So either a team with a big "need" will start to feel that need push them to up their offer, or we will have to lower our valuation to meet what other teams are willing to "pay" if he is going to move, because as it stands those two numbers just aren't lining up

But, like I said, I like Doubs and overall would like to see him stay. If we can work out the financials (a big IF) I think he is worth more here than we could get for him in return... But I guess the short of it that I am getting at is that if another team had "Domeo Roubs" playing for them right now, I don't think we would have as high of an evaluation of that guy if that makes sense :p

Oh okay, so let's say Davante had signed and we of course don't have the whole roster we have now...maybe we have just Adams and Watson (healthy) with maybe a lesser tier slot option other than Reed. If we were sitting at the top of the NFC North and Watson goes down and low chance he's back anytime soon....I'm for sure pulling the string on a trade for a Pickens/Doubs/Shakir type trade that costs me just a 4th this year + 2027 5th for that player and a 2026 7th type deal.
 

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I just can't see trading valuable members of the team this year for draft picks.
It's hard to face the reality, but we have to think of the future, and I applaud Gutekunst for not waiting for the future to actually get here before dealing with it. The truth of the matter is that we're going to lose some of those wideouts very soon - starting next offseason. We can either lose them through free agency (because it's not even remotely possible to pay them all), or we can sell them for the best possible price when their value is still high. A third round pick in 2026 is far more valuable to the team than 3rd or 4th round comp pick in 2027.

Keeping him would cost $60X4, and then next year we have Wicks and Reed to worry about. With his injury history, and dissatisfaction with the number of balls he gets, keeping him is not a good situation for the team.
 

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It's hard to face the reality,
My reality is that I think Doubs is too good for us right now to trade for a draft pick that may or may not be any good. My reality is that we go for a Superbowl this year. Not worried right now about next year. A 3rd round pick you are saying. No thank you.
 
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It's hard to face the reality, but we have to think of the future, and I applaud Gutekunst for not waiting for the future to actually get here before dealing with it. The truth of the matter is that we're going to lose some of those wideouts very soon - starting next offseason. We can either lose them through free agency (because it's not even remotely possible to pay them all), or we can sell them for the best possible price when their value is still high. A third round pick in 2026 is far more valuable to the team than 3rd or 4th round comp pick in 2027.

Keeping him would cost $60X4, and then next year we have Wicks and Reed to worry about. With his injury history, and dissatisfaction with the number of balls he gets, keeping him is not a good situation for the team.
I think you weigh it with where we are in a Championship Run. If in any given season he’s worth a Top 125 (example) in a Super Bowl Run he’d have to be closer to a #75 area. That said I’m not hanging up the phone in a potential trade suitor for a 3rd Comp + a pick swap their 4th for our 5th etc.
 

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